Trevor Bauer

dsvitak · 04-09-2021, 12:23 AM

We shall see if Mouthy Trevor (tm) can get away with doctoring a baseball.

https://www.pitcherlist.com/trevor-b...peat-his-2020/

Pretty good, technical article on Bauer's unnaturally high spin rates for the last year or two, unreasonably high in fact.

MLB has confiscated a bunch of baseballs he used in his most recent pitching outing, and they're sure to be tested.

I see a suspension, and a LONG suspension in Mr. Bauer's future. No different from batters using PED's.

The stupid high strikeout rates may be partially due to baseballs doing crazy **** as then come up on the plate, in addition to players swing from the heels in huge uppercuts. It is in MLB's interest to reduce the amount of illegal substances placed on baseballs...and MLB doesn't much care for Bauer, and would likely enjoy putting him onto a bonfire and lighting a match.

Galeg · 04-09-2021, 09:15 AM

They would be foolish to punish Bauer without also targeting the numerous other pitchers doing the same thing. Bauer has been quite vocal about it because the rules are simplistic and he likes to make MLB look stupid.

dsvitak · 04-09-2021, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Galeg

They would be foolish to punish Bauer without also targeting the numerous other pitchers doing the same thing. Bauer has been quite vocal about it because the rules are simplistic and he likes to make MLB look stupid.

I agree with your comment. But, the defense that others are also doing it doesn't work.

Galeg · 04-09-2021, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

I agree with your comment. But, the defense that others are also doing it doesn't work.

I'm not defending him. As a Cleveland fan, I've had more than enough of Trevor Bauer. I know he's had this whole thing planned out for ages though. It's what he does.

dsvitak · 04-10-2021, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Galeg

I'm not defending him. As a Cleveland fan, I've had more than enough of Trevor Bauer. I know he's had this whole thing planned out for ages though. It's what he does.

I was a pitcher for a long time. Pretty decent, if I do say so myself. My spin rate must have been pretty good, as I could snap off a pretty sharp curve. Having said that, I hadn't heard the term spin rate until I was over 60. *shrugs*

rudel.dietrich · 04-10-2021, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

I was a pitcher for a long time. Pretty decent, if I do say so myself. My spin rate must have been pretty good, as I could snap off a pretty sharp curve. Having said that, I hadn't heard the term spin rate until I was over 60. *shrugs*

To be fair, they did not have the technology to measure it until the mid-2000s when Sportvision sank the money into mounting cameras into stadiums and began to convince teams that the data could be useful.
The data was not made publicly available until the early 2010s.
It takes a very precise digital camera that can take hundreds of photos a second in high resolution to be able to measure it.
It also takes miniaturized high-resolution radar to measure the spins.

That was not available cheaply on a commercial basis until about 8-9 years ago.

For the curious, here is a 2016 article about what spin rate is and how it is calculated.
https://www.baseballprospectus.com/n...out-spin-rate/

pgjocki · 04-11-2021, 11:28 PM

I hope he burns the entire MLB front office to the ground. Maybe he'll get suspended then convince some politicians to investigate and look into MLB monopoly waivers and such.

I hate what they've done to tv deals, especially the big FU to all the fans in the Midwest who have basically been screwed out of watching games.

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Izz · 05-29-2021, 04:06 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bqOOyMjCCM

Pretty good breakdown from Jomboy on the sticky stuff

Westheim · 05-29-2021, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Izz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bqOOyMjCCM

Pretty good breakdown from Jomboy on the sticky stuff

Bauer was sneaky-good about this, though, feeling for it and feeling and feeeeling... and when nobody told him shoo, and sit, he got to the front of the line and turned that into a Cy Young and nine figures.

And now - the typical Manfredian approach to an issue. Wimp, weak, complete lack of ****. Do whatever, boys, we'll collect some balls and see whether we can spin it into a chip for the CBA negotiations.

dsvitak · 05-29-2021, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

Bauer was sneaky-good about this, though, feeling for it and feeling and feeeeling... and when nobody told him shoo, and sit, he got to the front of the line and turned that into a Cy Young and nine figures.

And now - the typical Manfredian approach to an issue. Wimp, weak, complete lack of ****. Do whatever, boys, we'll collect some balls and see whether we can spin it into a chip for the CBA negotiations.

Can't disagree...an average, at best, pitcher for many years, now his numbers are insane. Doesn't happen naturally. Well..it does if you're Sandy Koufax, but that was only when he mastered command of his pitches.

Izz · 05-29-2021, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

Bauer was sneaky-good about this, though, feeling for it and feeling and feeeeling... and when nobody told him shoo, and sit, he got to the front of the line and turned that into a Cy Young and nine figures.

Yeah. As much as Bauer is pretty annoying, I do find it funny that there are a lot of folk who want to make him the villain when he's actually been a late-adopter of ball-doctoring. Guess that's what happens when you're loud and sometimes rude.

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And now - the typical Manfredian approach to an issue. Wimp, weak, complete lack of ****. Do whatever, boys, we'll collect some balls and see whether we can spin it into a chip for the CBA negotiations.

Yep, it's all about the CBA.

dkgo · 05-29-2021, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

Can't disagree...an average, at best, pitcher for many years, now his numbers are insane. Doesn't happen naturally. Well..it does if you're Sandy Koufax, but that was only when he mastered command of his pitches.

Its not that uncommon for a pitcher to put it all together and hit his prime at 27 like Bauer. Cole put up much better numbers then too. Degrom didnt even start a season in the majors until he was 27 just to look at some current top performers.

mytreds · 05-30-2021, 03:09 AM

Hitters using a substance to gain an advantage? They’re ruining the integrity of the game!!!

Pitchers using a substance to gain an advantage? Well everyone is doing it, and the rules aren’t exactly clear, so I guess that’s ok.

dsvitak · 05-30-2021, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dkgo

Its not that uncommon for a pitcher to put it all together and hit his prime at 27 like Bauer. Cole put up much better numbers then too. Degrom didnt even start a season in the majors until he was 27 just to look at some current top performers.

Seven years in Cleveland, with a 1.3 WHIP. The last two years, a WHIP about 0.8.

Oh..he's 30. Show me a pitcher who reduced a WHIP by that much, at that age. Ummm...NO. Sometimes the obvious answer is the correct answer.

The crazy part is that over the last three years, Bauer's won-loss record is 21-20. That's it.

Westheim · 05-30-2021, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

Seven years in Cleveland, with a 1.3 WHIP. The last two years, a WHIP about 0.8.

Oh..he's 30. Show me a pitcher who reduced a WHIP by that much, at that age. Ummm...NO. Sometimes the obvious answer is the correct answer.

The crazy part is that over the last three years, Bauer's won-loss record is 21-20. That's it.

(appears holding his Mets yearbook) Do you have a moment to talk about Jacob deGrom?

He shed a quarter WH off his WHIP, and he is 18-12 for the stupid Mets since 2019. But Jake has added velocity to his pitches, which I understand may not really related to more rotation.

dkgo · 05-30-2021, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

Seven years in Cleveland, with a 1.3 WHIP. The last two years, a WHIP about 0.8.

Oh..he's 30. Show me a pitcher who reduced a WHIP by that much, at that age. Ummm...NO. Sometimes the obvious answer is the correct answer.

The crazy part is that over the last three years, Bauer's won-loss record is 21-20. That's it.

Jake Arrieta

dsvitak · 05-31-2021, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dkgo

Jake Arrieta

OK..ya got me. He had 4 really, REALLY good years. He has since become human.

dsvitak · 06-03-2021, 10:30 PM

MLB is cracking down on foreign substances. Hard.

Time to drop Bauer from your fantasy team.

David Watts · 06-04-2021, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

MLB is cracking down on foreign substances. Hard.

Time to drop Bauer from your fantasy team.

I would agree, but this is Major League Baseball. I'm guessing they turn a blind eye to guys like Bauer and throw the book at fringe type players. They might nail a few big names, but they will be on teams not in contention.

BMW · 06-04-2021, 09:48 PM

'This Should Be the Biggest Scandal in Sports'
The inside story of how rampant pitch-doctoring in MLB is pumping pitchers up and deflating offenses.

Stephanie Apstein and Alex Prewitt
13 hours ago

https://www.si.com/mlb/2021/06/04/st...ds-daily-cover

04-09-2021, 12:23 AM	#1
dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,288	Trevor Bauer We shall see if Mouthy Trevor (tm) can get away with doctoring a baseball. https://www.pitcherlist.com/trevor-b...peat-his-2020/ Pretty good, technical article on Bauer's unnaturally high spin rates for the last year or two, unreasonably high in fact. MLB has confiscated a bunch of baseballs he used in his most recent pitching outing, and they're sure to be tested. I see a suspension, and a LONG suspension in Mr. Bauer's future. No different from batters using PED's. The stupid high strikeout rates may be partially due to baseballs doing crazy **** as then come up on the plate, in addition to players swing from the heels in huge uppercuts. It is in MLB's interest to reduce the amount of illegal substances placed on baseballs...and MLB doesn't much care for Bauer, and would likely enjoy putting him onto a bonfire and lighting a match.

04-11-2021, 11:28 PM	#7
pgjocki All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Maryland - just outside DC Posts: 1,581	I hope he burns the entire MLB front office to the ground. Maybe he'll get suspended then convince some politicians to investigate and look into MLB monopoly waivers and such. I hate what they've done to tv deals, especially the big FU to all the fans in the Midwest who have basically been screwed out of watching games. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk __________________ - - - World Series championships: 1926, 1931, 1934, 1942, 1944, 1946, 1964, 1967, 1982, 2006, 2011

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04-09-2021, 09:15 AM	#2
Galeg Major Leagues Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 404	They would be foolish to punish Bauer without also targeting the numerous other pitchers doing the same thing. Bauer has been quite vocal about it because the rules are simplistic and he likes to make MLB look stupid.

06-03-2021, 10:30 PM	#18
dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,288	MLB is cracking down on foreign substances. Hard. Time to drop Bauer from your fantasy team.