Nobody is being selected in my Rule 5 drafts

eas9898 · 04-07-2021, 04:10 PM

I'm playing a MLB league as the Tigers with no changes except League Evolution off, and there have been no Rule 5 selections (except for mine) in the 4 seasons that I've been playing.

Is this a known issue?

Lukas Berger · 04-07-2021, 05:01 PM

No, I haven't heard about this at all. We will run some tests, but if you have some league files where this is happening and can upload them or post a link, that would help.

Sin44 · 04-07-2021, 07:51 PM

same thing is happening in my league, although there aren't a ton of great choices

Dave Stieb II · 04-07-2021, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sin44

same thing is happening in my league, although there aren't a ton of great choices

Not to downplay the OP's concerns - I play my games out and I'm nowhere near even my first Rule 5 draft - but I like the second part of this sentence.
Elsewhere I've read that the AI is making too many good young players available for the Rule 5 draft while protecting journeymen.
This runs entirely counter to that.
(It really has to be tough being the developers sometimes....most of the time? All of the time?)

KBLover · 04-07-2021, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Stieb II

Not to downplay the OP's concerns - I play my games out and I'm nowhere near even my first Rule 5 draft - but I like the second part of this sentence.
Elsewhere I've read that the AI is making too many good young players available for the Rule 5 draft while protecting journeymen.
This runs entirely counter to that.
(It really has to be tough being the developers sometimes....most of the time? All of the time?)

Same, the last three rule 5 drafts I've been through have been nothing worth noting, especially once you get to the middle of the order.

I see an occasional pick here or there, and I take a flier or someone that might be on the cusp of average to see if he could help but no obvious "wow I need to get him" guys.

My experience has been much closer to the OP's.

In 21, I probably would have agreed that the AI is being too risky in exposing useful young players to the draft. So far for me, 22 has been much different.

eas9898 · 04-07-2021, 10:55 PM

I am OP. It is true what's being said that the pickings are slim, and that may be why there are no selections being made. Either way, however, it's still not normal that there would be nothing worth picking at all. This represents some imbalance of talent, or poor AI Rule 5 selection criteria.

Dave Stieb II · 04-08-2021, 06:45 AM

Am I missing something here? To me, there are only two basic scenarios:

If it is a case of the Rule 5 pickings being slim, then that indicates to me that the AI is doing a great job of protecting the right players leading up to the draft and this is what we should want, first and foremost, IMHO.

If it is a case of good talent being made available for the draft by the AI but then the AI GM's failing to draft any of it, then this is a potential problem.

Curve Ball Dave · 04-08-2021, 10:00 AM

IRL the Rule 5 Draft isn't that big of a deal for the very reasons stated in this thread: slim pickings. Only a small handful of guys make rosters this way because the players worth protecting, by and large, are protected. As another posted stated, few picks in this draft means the AI is protecting the right players.

5pectacular · 04-08-2021, 10:03 AM

I am having the same issue, or rather, it doesn't even seem like the draft has happened the past four seasons

eas9898 · 04-08-2021, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Curve Ball Dave

IRL the Rule 5 Draft isn't that big of a deal for the very reasons stated in this thread: slim pickings. Only a small handful of guys make rosters this way because the players worth protecting, by and large, are protected. As another posted stated, few picks in this draft means the AI is protecting the right players.

We can all agree that a smaller number of picks could be a sign of the AI doing a good job. The question here is, should that number be 0? For several seasons? Because that's what's happening, at least in my case.

tonnage · 04-08-2021, 11:23 AM

Same for me, nobody is being chosen outside of one player I picked. Only 1 Rule 5 Draft though.

chazzycat · 04-08-2021, 04:46 PM

same here, I have played through three or four Rule 5 drafts now and no AI teams have made a single selection. Regular live start with standard settings.

There have been players good enough for me to select them (not like allstars, but useful role players), and I'm playing as a rich team (Giants) so you'd think a small market team would have made a pick or two at least.

SirMichaelJordan · 04-08-2021, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curve Ball Dave

IRL the Rule 5 Draft isn't that big of a deal for the very reasons stated in this thread: slim pickings. Only a small handful of guys make rosters this way because the players worth protecting, by and large, are protected. As another posted stated, few picks in this draft means the AI is protecting the right players.

With that said, I can’t think of a recent real life Rule 5 draft where no one were picked. There are usually about 5-10 players picked per year in the MLB 1st round. This past December, there were 16 players.

But in my experience with OOTP, the AI rarely picks in this draft even in past versions where good prospects were unprotected.

Ive been only able to see activity here in the past with certain setting tweaks.

Daniel_09 · 04-08-2021, 04:59 PM

In past versions of the game maybe 7 or 12 players each year.

Leo_The_Lip · 04-08-2021, 05:06 PM

I often see Rule 5 drafts go by with no picks, in all the past versions. As others have said, this could mean the AIs are good at their jobs.

That said, I had a very weird thing happen in my first expansion test league. I expanded by adding Montreal and Vancouver as I usually do. I mark them as Canadian so the correct team locations can be selected.

The expansion draft went well, then came the Rule 5 draft. The Scout suggested a pitcher I like enough to take. However, a message popped up that I could not make this pick because the player, from the DR, would violate league rules about foreigners or age. I checked, and there is no limit on foreigners in the MLB, as I expected. Nor is there an age limit.

A few picks later, the Nationals took this same player. So I tried picking a Canadian and got the same message.

So I'm stumped. What's going on?

The standard start ran until after the 2030 season, the expansion draft went off fine. But now this weird block of the Rule 5.

Could this be what is happening--unseen--to others?

chazzycat · 04-08-2021, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel_09

In past versions of the game maybe 7 or 12 players each year.

yep in my past experience if I didn't carefully go through my prospects, I would almost always end up losing a couple.

Actually for one of the drafts this year, I made the mistake of forgetting I had the "batters only" filter enabled when I was adding ppl to my 40 man. So my pitching prospects were all unprotected...started to freak out when the draft started and saw them available, but lo and behold...no one got picked. That is when I realized something might be up.

Daniel_09 · 04-08-2021, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chazzycat

yep in my past experience if I didn't carefully go through my prospects, I would almost always end up losing a couple.

Actually for one of the drafts this year, I made the mistake of forgetting I had the "batters only" filter enabled when I was adding ppl to my 40 man. So my pitching prospects were all unprotected...started to freak out when the draft started and saw them available, but lo and behold...no one got picked. That is when I realized something might be up.

Same here last year with filters (only batters) with the Braves and I ended losing Ynoa, Davidson, Muller, the only problem was they were picked.

After that mistake> restart the sim......

Hahahahahahaha

Play4Thrills · 04-08-2021, 10:11 PM

Man, Rule 5 drafts use to be my bread and butter for free talent. I'd always get my utility infielder and utility outfielder from that pool, train them up in time for the playoffs and then sell them off at a premium.

This year, there was no one to pick from. I think the only two players were two that I somehow missed protecting (not stellar talent, but solid 2.5 star backups).

The changes seem more fair. I mean, if I can consistently avoid (until today) losing my own talent to the Rule 5 draft, I don't see why the AI shouldn't be smart enough to do the same. Unfortunately, I've got to find a new trough to feed from.

Dave Stieb II · 04-08-2021, 10:24 PM

I agree with this.
Ultimately, what most want, I'm pretty sure, is the realism of having the AI protect the right players.
It sounds like this is happening.
I understand the concern that NO Rule 5 picks are being made and I'm not trying to downplay it. Really I'm not.
But if this is an either/or question, I am happy to hear that the "pickings are slim", meaning the AI is protecting the correct players for the most part.

doubles · 04-08-2021, 10:57 PM

How many teams have full 40-man rosters? That could be a factor as well. You can't take anyone if your 40 is full.

04-07-2021, 04:10 PM	#1
eas9898 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 69	Nobody is being selected in my Rule 5 drafts I'm playing a MLB league as the Tigers with no changes except League Evolution off, and there have been no Rule 5 selections (except for mine) in the 4 seasons that I've been playing. Is this a known issue?

04-07-2021, 05:01 PM	#2
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 22,055	No, I haven't heard about this at all. We will run some tests, but if you have some league files where this is happening and can upload them or post a link, that would help. __________________ lukas@ootpdevelopments.com Pre-Order Out of the Park Baseball 27! Need to upload files for us to check out? Instructions can be found here

04-08-2021, 10:00 AM	#8
Curve Ball Dave Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,387	IRL the Rule 5 Draft isn't that big of a deal for the very reasons stated in this thread: slim pickings. Only a small handful of guys make rosters this way because the players worth protecting, by and large, are protected. As another posted stated, few picks in this draft means the AI is protecting the right players. __________________ "Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing"-Warren Spahn.

04-08-2021, 05:06 PM	#15
Leo_The_Lip All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,811	I often see Rule 5 drafts go by with no picks, in all the past versions. As others have said, this could mean the AIs are good at their jobs. That said, I had a very weird thing happen in my first expansion test league. I expanded by adding Montreal and Vancouver as I usually do. I mark them as Canadian so the correct team locations can be selected. The expansion draft went well, then came the Rule 5 draft. The Scout suggested a pitcher I like enough to take. However, a message popped up that I could not make this pick because the player, from the DR, would violate league rules about foreigners or age. I checked, and there is no limit on foreigners in the MLB, as I expected. Nor is there an age limit. A few picks later, the Nationals took this same player. So I tried picking a Canadian and got the same message. So I'm stumped. What's going on? The standard start ran until after the 2030 season, the expansion draft went off fine. But now this weird block of the Rule 5. Could this be what is happening--unseen--to others? __________________ "My name will live forever" - Anonymous

04-07-2021, 07:51 PM	#3
Sin44 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 101	same thing is happening in my league, although there aren't a ton of great choices

04-07-2021, 10:55 PM	#6
eas9898 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 69	I am OP. It is true what's being said that the pickings are slim, and that may be why there are no selections being made. Either way, however, it's still not normal that there would be nothing worth picking at all. This represents some imbalance of talent, or poor AI Rule 5 selection criteria.

04-08-2021, 06:45 AM	#7
Dave Stieb II All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 661	Am I missing something here? To me, there are only two basic scenarios: If it is a case of the Rule 5 pickings being slim, then that indicates to me that the AI is doing a great job of protecting the right players leading up to the draft and this is what we should want, first and foremost, IMHO. If it is a case of good talent being made available for the draft by the AI but then the AI GM's failing to draft any of it, then this is a potential problem.

04-08-2021, 10:03 AM	#9
5pectacular Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 5	I am having the same issue, or rather, it doesn't even seem like the draft has happened the past four seasons

04-08-2021, 11:23 AM	#11
tonnage All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Stony Plain, Alberta Posts: 526	Same for me, nobody is being chosen outside of one player I picked. Only 1 Rule 5 Draft though.

04-08-2021, 04:46 PM	#12
chazzycat All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 1,685	same here, I have played through three or four Rule 5 drafts now and no AI teams have made a single selection. Regular live start with standard settings. There have been players good enough for me to select them (not like allstars, but useful role players), and I'm playing as a rich team (Giants) so you'd think a small market team would have made a pick or two at least.

04-08-2021, 04:59 PM	#14
Daniel_09 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2021 Location: Caracas Posts: 324	In past versions of the game maybe 7 or 12 players each year.

04-08-2021, 10:11 PM	#18
Play4Thrills Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 57	Man, Rule 5 drafts use to be my bread and butter for free talent. I'd always get my utility infielder and utility outfielder from that pool, train them up in time for the playoffs and then sell them off at a premium. This year, there was no one to pick from. I think the only two players were two that I somehow missed protecting (not stellar talent, but solid 2.5 star backups). The changes seem more fair. I mean, if I can consistently avoid (until today) losing my own talent to the Rule 5 draft, I don't see why the AI shouldn't be smart enough to do the same. Unfortunately, I've got to find a new trough to feed from.

04-08-2021, 10:24 PM	#19
Dave Stieb II All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 661	I agree with this. Ultimately, what most want, I'm pretty sure, is the realism of having the AI protect the right players. It sounds like this is happening. I understand the concern that NO Rule 5 picks are being made and I'm not trying to downplay it. Really I'm not. But if this is an either/or question, I am happy to hear that the "pickings are slim", meaning the AI is protecting the correct players for the most part.

04-08-2021, 10:57 PM	#20
doubles Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 483	How many teams have full 40-man rosters? That could be a factor as well. You can't take anyone if your 40 is full.