Outfield Assists

Maddox · 04-03-2021, 03:15 AM

Is it just me or does outfield assists happen too often. I have been playing as the Cardinals (GM Only) and watching guys get thrown out at 3rd or home from the outfield way too often.

So I went to the league stats. I am 80 games into the season and I have six OF players already in double digits. Two players have 13 assists and the others have 10. Four of the players, including the two leading the league with 13, got their assists in CF.

Looking at real life stats only 4 players have had 20 or more outfield assists in the last 20 years and my franchise has 6 guys that are on pace to do it.

Oh, and the four guys that actually did it.

2011 - Alex Gordon - LF
2006 - Alfonso Soriano - LF
2003 - Richard Hidalgo - RF
2002 - Robert Fick - RF

Not a single CF among them.

Sweed · 04-03-2021, 10:18 AM

How are the league wide numbers?

Do you autocalc before the season so the league total modifier for OF assists is set?

Half a season and 6 on pace. Injury or pure chance could certainly take that number down.

May be worth keeping an eye on. Half a season may be a too small sample
size. Still a lot of baseball to be played.

I do think your thread will have many users, me included, at least taking a look at our leagues. But my league is an in-season import from 21. I would have to wait for a new 22 season to compare.

Maddox · 04-03-2021, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweed

How are the league wide numbers?

Do you autocalc before the season so the league total modifier for OF assists is set?

Not sure how to check league wide numbers. I did not do anything special, just started the franchise in the 2021 season. I did not do autocalc before the season. I am not sure what that is actually.

The only changes I think I made to default settings were to turn off Player Morale, Take injuries down 1 notch, and I think took the trade difficulty slider down a notch

We'll definitely see where things end up. It may take a while as I have been watching all of my teams at bats (simming the other teams at bats). I agree that half a season is a small sample size but thought that the numbers were showing an interesting trend. Maybe if I get a chance I will start a new franchise save and just sim a few seasons and check.

Mat · 04-03-2021, 11:02 AM

For this version for standard MLB game, the outfield assist modifier has been bumped from .399 to .433.

That might be the difference you are seeing.

pgjocki · 04-03-2021, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mat

For this version for standard MLB game, the outfield assist modifier has been bumped from .399 to .433.

That might be the difference you are seeing.

Thanks, so if we edit just this one number will it take effect immediately and then stay that way for the next season?

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Mat · 04-03-2021, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pgjocki

Thanks, so if we edit just this one number will it take effect immediately and then stay that way for the next season?

It will take effect immediately, yes. Depends what your other settings for if it will stick

KBLover · 04-03-2021, 04:09 PM

Started a new fictional league a couple days ago and in August I'm seeing what the OP is mentioning.

In CF and RF, 10 assists barely puts a fielder in the top 10.

Comparing to 2019's numbers (the year I chose as my stats baseline), it's high and there's still a month and a half left in the season.

I did the initial draft and when Opening Day was about to begin, did an autocalc and left all the modifiers as whatever. It set my OF assist to .833.

silvam14 · 04-03-2021, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Maddox

Is it just me or does outfield assists happen too often. I have been playing as the Cardinals (GM Only) and watching guys get thrown out at 3rd or home from the outfield way too often.

So I went to the league stats. I am 80 games into the season and I have six OF players already in double digits. Two players have 13 assists and the others have 10. Four of the players, including the two leading the league with 13, got their assists in CF.

Looking at real life stats only 4 players have had 20 or more outfield assists in the last 20 years and my franchise has 6 guys that are on pace to do it.

Oh, and the four guys that actually did it.

2011 - Alex Gordon - LF
2006 - Alfonso Soriano - LF
2003 - Richard Hidalgo - RF
2002 - Robert Fick - RF

Not a single CF among them.

My fictional league is high as well. I noticed

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Maddox · 04-03-2021, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by silvam14

My fictional league is high as well. I noticed

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Left fielders and Right fielders don't seem too bad but there are way too many coming from Center field.

90 games in I have at least 6 CF with 10 or more assists. The leader has 15.Two others have 14. Based on my original post that means that one CF has gotten 4 or 5 assists in the last 10 games. I just checked and Leody Taveras with Texas has 5 outfield assists in the last 10 games. He has an outfield arm rating is 55 which is the weakest OF arm of all the CF that made the list.

LF and RF combined have four players with 10 or more assists in the first 90 games. The leader among those players has 11. That seems reasonable.

KBLover · 04-03-2021, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Maddox

Left fielders and Right fielders don't seem too bad but there are way too many coming from Center field.

Season ended and I had more from RF than CF.

Left field ended up being reasonable enough. RF had eight people with 15+ Assists

There must be some serious arms in my league.

LeftHandPath · 05-12-2021, 08:35 AM

The latest patch bumped the outfield assists modifier to .591.

I just finished the first season with the latest patch and got ridiculous numbers for outfield assists.

I would like to know what modifier do you guys use? I am planning to drop the modifier to around 0.4ish. Do you have any good values which provide realistic results?

Sweed · 05-12-2021, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LeftHandPath

The latest patch bumped the outfield assists modifier to .591.

I just finished the first season with the latest patch and got ridiculous numbers for outfield assists.

I would like to know what modifier do you guys use? I am planning to drop the modifier to around 0.4ish. Do you have any good values which provide realistic results?

I use the one autoclac generates.

fredbeene · 05-12-2021, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maddox

Is it just me or does outfield assists happen too often. I have been playing as the Cardinals (GM Only) and watching guys get thrown out at 3rd or home from the outfield way too often.

So I went to the league stats. I am 80 games into the season and I have six OF players already in double digits. Two players have 13 assists and the others have 10. Four of the players, including the two leading the league with 13, got their assists in CF.

Looking at real life stats only 4 players have had 20 or more outfield assists in the last 20 years and my franchise has 6 guys that are on pace to do it.

Oh, and the four guys that actually did it.

2011 - Alex Gordon - LF
2006 - Alfonso Soriano - LF
2003 - Richard Hidalgo - RF
2002 - Robert Fick - RF

Not a single CF among them.

It is because the SPEED ratings for players are often incorrect since for someone reason SPEED is the rate of times players steal AND also used for baserunning (challenging arm....play out games and you will see it)
Even better run a twenty year sim and set all your players to 3 speed rating......yup barely any steals and yup no SF......THere is no way to run a stat on which OF throw out which players.

fredbeene · 05-12-2021, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by LeftHandPath

The latest patch bumped the outfield assists modifier to .591.

I just finished the first season with the latest patch and got ridiculous numbers for outfield assists.

I would like to know what modifier do you guys use? I am planning to drop the modifier to around 0.4ish. Do you have any good values which provide realistic results?

Does the patch come with release notes that they modified it? Or do they pay you debug everything??

LeftHandPath · 05-13-2021, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by fredbeene

Does the patch come with release notes that they modified it? Or do they pay you debug everything??

I don't know. I guess they do little adjustments to the modifiers in every patch without mentioning it.

LeftHandPath · 05-13-2021, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweed

I use the one autoclac generates.

If I do autocalc the outfield assist modifiers jump even higher.
Basically, I don't understand what the point with autocalc is. From what I've witnessed so far, it is likely that "unrealistic" modifiers become even more unrealistic after using autocalc.

Matt Arnold · 05-13-2021, 01:58 PM

We had another deeper look, and it looks like the autocalc is accidentally doubling the OF assist value after it runs. We'll correct it in the next patch, but I would suggest if your league runs the autocalc to cut the value in half and that should keep values closer to expected.

Pelican · 05-13-2021, 03:57 PM

Matt, thanks. Dunno if that explains why a runner looked safe by a mile in 3D but was called out. I had increased the slider for baserunning to aggressive, so I figured I deserved what happened.

RchW · 05-13-2021, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

We had another deeper look, and it looks like the autocalc is accidentally doubling the OF assist value after it runs. We'll correct it in the next patch, but I would suggest if your league runs the autocalc to cut the value in half and that should keep values closer to expected.

Thanks for that info

Can I ask a favour or three? There is no OFA total produced in the csv files yet there is a modifier for it. Could you possibly add that to the fielding csv.

One more; LDP, I can figure that out by subtracting GDP in batting csv from DP in fielding csv but it would be useful to have it listed directly.

Last but not least, could we have a LTLTM.csv which has the totals for each season (month) exactly in the order as the in game screen see attached. Then I wouldn't need the first two.

LeftHandPath · 05-14-2021, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

We had another deeper look, and it looks like the autocalc is accidentally doubling the OF assist value after it runs. We'll correct it in the next patch, but I would suggest if your league runs the autocalc to cut the value in half and that should keep values closer to expected.

Thank you.
Can you also check the modifiers if they are correct?
In my game I didn't even use autoalc (nor checked the adjust modifiers box) and had multiple players with 25+ outfield assists.
So I assume it is not solely driven by a broken autocalc, but also by to high modifier per se.

04-03-2021, 03:15 AM	#1
Maddox All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 903	Outfield Assists Is it just me or does outfield assists happen too often. I have been playing as the Cardinals (GM Only) and watching guys get thrown out at 3rd or home from the outfield way too often. So I went to the league stats. I am 80 games into the season and I have six OF players already in double digits. Two players have 13 assists and the others have 10. Four of the players, including the two leading the league with 13, got their assists in CF. Looking at real life stats only 4 players have had 20 or more outfield assists in the last 20 years and my franchise has 6 guys that are on pace to do it. Oh, and the four guys that actually did it. 2011 - Alex Gordon - LF 2006 - Alfonso Soriano - LF 2003 - Richard Hidalgo - RF 2002 - Robert Fick - RF Not a single CF among them.

04-03-2021, 10:18 AM	#2
Sweed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 6,740	How are the league wide numbers? Do you autocalc before the season so the league total modifier for OF assists is set? Half a season and 6 on pace. Injury or pure chance could certainly take that number down. May be worth keeping an eye on. Half a season may be a too small sample size. Still a lot of baseball to be played. I do think your thread will have many users, me included, at least taking a look at our leagues. But my league is an in-season import from 21. I would have to wait for a new 22 season to compare.

04-03-2021, 11:02 AM	#4
Mat All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 652	For this version for standard MLB game, the outfield assist modifier has been bumped from .399 to .433. That might be the difference you are seeing.

04-03-2021, 04:09 PM	#7
KBLover All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 580	Started a new fictional league a couple days ago and in August I'm seeing what the OP is mentioning. In CF and RF, 10 assists barely puts a fielder in the top 10. Comparing to 2019's numbers (the year I chose as my stats baseline), it's high and there's still a month and a half left in the season. I did the initial draft and when Opening Day was about to begin, did an autocalc and left all the modifiers as whatever. It set my OF assist to .833.

05-12-2021, 08:35 AM	#11
LeftHandPath Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Germany Posts: 52	The latest patch bumped the outfield assists modifier to .591. I just finished the first season with the latest patch and got ridiculous numbers for outfield assists. I would like to know what modifier do you guys use? I am planning to drop the modifier to around 0.4ish. Do you have any good values which provide realistic results?

05-13-2021, 01:58 PM	#17
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,866	We had another deeper look, and it looks like the autocalc is accidentally doubling the OF assist value after it runs. We'll correct it in the next patch, but I would suggest if your league runs the autocalc to cut the value in half and that should keep values closer to expected.

05-13-2021, 03:57 PM	#18
Pelican Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Wilmington, Delaware Posts: 3,022	Matt, thanks. Dunno if that explains why a runner looked safe by a mile in 3D but was called out. I had increased the slider for baserunning to aggressive, so I figured I deserved what happened.