Too many succesful pick-off attempts?

Heisman7 · 04-21-2003, 06:56 AM

Seems as though I see these at least 8 times more often in the game than in real life. Anyone else see this? What pitcher and runner ratings are these outcomes based on.

ghulten · 04-21-2003, 12:06 PM

I don't think the PBP shows all the unsuccessful pickoff attempts.

Alan T · 04-21-2003, 12:17 PM

I have yet to see a successful pickoff attempt.. I play out all my games, and have done several seasons now in ootp5... I wonder.. I tend to not like to run alot though (unless the catcher is really really poor).. maybe its just that I don't try to steal much that I never have seen one?

Bears5122 · 04-21-2003, 12:19 PM

I've seen it a couple times, not very often. It seems to be a good amount for me.

TwinMonster · 04-21-2003, 01:02 PM

My team picks off an awful lot of opponants. I get picked off quite a bit too. In real baseball pick-offs don't happen very often. Sure comes in handy when you need that extra out though!

Steve Kuffrey · 04-21-2003, 01:07 PM

I play out most of my games and have not seen many, a handful at best....seems to be a believable number.

TwinMonster · 04-21-2003, 01:39 PM

Is there a setting that could be effecting this, or is it just a fluke with random variables. I mean, sometimes you flip tails several times in a row right?

Steve Kuffrey · 04-21-2003, 01:59 PM

There is no setting that I know of, the only thing that may impact it is if you have a team of "base-stealers", then it may seem like a higher number but the % will still be roughly the same overall.

eraddeus · 04-21-2003, 06:16 PM

I had Pierre/Roberts/Jeter on my team all set to steal as much as possible, and I got picked off a lot. Probably has to do with it.

Heisman7 · 04-22-2003, 04:13 AM

I play out all games. My guys get picked off a lot. I rarely (maybe 2 or 3 times) have picked off my opponent.

JAttractive · 04-22-2003, 07:59 AM

Yeah the problem seems to be that we miss the failed attempts so it appears when they do happen that they are overly common. I think this is just a "trick" of the PBP. At first I was annoyed by it but when I really examined it closer things seemed realistic.

Anonymous Ghost · 04-22-2003, 08:20 AM

I think JAttractive has it exactly right. The funny thing is that a couple of years ago I remember a BBS discussion on another site (maybe at Baseball Sim Central) about how it was annoying that DMB had too many unsuccessful pickoff attempts and talking about how great it would be to have an option that only showed when the runner was out (other than turning off pitch-by-pitch entirely). People will likely be complaining regardless of how it's done.

04-21-2003, 06:56 AM	#1
Heisman7 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 29	Too many succesful pick-off attempts? Seems as though I see these at least 8 times more often in the game than in real life. Anyone else see this? What pitcher and runner ratings are these outcomes based on.

04-21-2003, 12:17 PM	#3
Alan T All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mass. Posts: 1,963	I have yet to see a successful pickoff attempt.. I play out all my games, and have done several seasons now in ootp5... I wonder.. I tend to not like to run alot though (unless the catcher is really really poor).. maybe its just that I don't try to steal much that I never have seen one? __________________ - Front Office Offseason League. (Fast Paced OOTP-X and OOTP11 leagues, sims one season every week)

04-21-2003, 01:07 PM	#6
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,023	I play out most of my games and have not seen many, a handful at best....seems to be a believable number. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

04-21-2003, 01:59 PM	#8
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,023	There is no setting that I know of, the only thing that may impact it is if you have a team of "base-stealers", then it may seem like a higher number but the % will still be roughly the same overall. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

04-21-2003, 12:06 PM	#2
ghulten Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 135	I don't think the PBP shows all the unsuccessful pickoff attempts.

04-21-2003, 12:19 PM	#4
Bears5122 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 847	I've seen it a couple times, not very often. It seems to be a good amount for me.

04-21-2003, 01:02 PM	#5
TwinMonster Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Minnepolis Posts: 325	My team picks off an awful lot of opponants. I get picked off quite a bit too. In real baseball pick-offs don't happen very often. Sure comes in handy when you need that extra out though!

04-21-2003, 01:39 PM	#7
TwinMonster Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Minnepolis Posts: 325	Is there a setting that could be effecting this, or is it just a fluke with random variables. I mean, sometimes you flip tails several times in a row right?

04-21-2003, 06:16 PM	#9
eraddeus Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 86	I had Pierre/Roberts/Jeter on my team all set to steal as much as possible, and I got picked off a lot. Probably has to do with it.

04-22-2003, 04:13 AM	#10
Heisman7 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 29	I play out all games. My guys get picked off a lot. I rarely (maybe 2 or 3 times) have picked off my opponent.

04-22-2003, 07:59 AM	#11
JAttractive All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Catharines, Ontario Posts: 1,135	Yeah the problem seems to be that we miss the failed attempts so it appears when they do happen that they are overly common. I think this is just a "trick" of the PBP. At first I was annoyed by it but when I really examined it closer things seemed realistic.

04-22-2003, 08:20 AM	#12
Anonymous Ghost All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 751	I think JAttractive has it exactly right. The funny thing is that a couple of years ago I remember a BBS discussion on another site (maybe at Baseball Sim Central) about how it was annoying that DMB had too many unsuccessful pickoff attempts and talking about how great it would be to have an option that only showed when the runner was out (other than turning off pitch-by-pitch entirely). People will likely be complaining regardless of how it's done.