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Old 01-01-2021, 09:29 AM   #1
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What trade difficulty is true neutral?

I have been playing in manager-only mode with challenge mode turned on, and every trade my team makes ranges from terrible to mostly unfavorable. I guess this is because the trade difficult in challenge mode is set to hard.

I am thinking of playing without challenge mode so that I can set the trade difficulty to a level that puts my GM on an equal level with the other teams in terms of getting fair trades. My guess would be that very easy would be the difficulty that would be the closest thing to neutral in that regard. Is that right?
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Old 01-01-2021, 12:35 PM   #2
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The trade difficulty only affects your own trading with the AI as a human GM, it doesn't affect the AI GM's trading with each other.

So as far as I know, changing the trade difficulty would not change the trading patterns of an AI GM running a team you're managing.
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Old 01-01-2021, 04:17 PM   #3
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Exactly. Trade difficulty won't impact your team's own AI GM. Even if it did, lowering it might actually cause your GM to make worse trades. When it's a human GM dealing with AI GMs, a difficulty setting of low means the AI GMs will often make terrible trades that are in the human's favor. If that applied to an AI GM of your own team, you might see some of the same results.
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Old 01-02-2021, 12:10 AM   #4
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Hmm, I was convinced the trade difficulty level was affecting my GM, because my team never once made a trade that didn't give up more value than what they gained. To me, it seemed like my GM was more or less being forced into making a trade based on his trade frequency attribute.

I can look through the trade history and literally not see any positive trade. Like, how does he not get something of value for my 56 rated fully developed shortstop that had almost no service time yet and minimum salary. He got some random prospect with a 25 potential for that. That SS would have been one of my 2 best infielders...
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Old 01-02-2021, 07:14 AM   #5
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AI GM's will have varying levels of 'ability'.
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Old 01-02-2021, 08:05 AM   #6
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You seem to like challenge mode except for your GM trades. Suggest if you're playing challenge mode you be GM.
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Old 01-02-2021, 08:57 AM   #7
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You seem to like challenge mode except for your GM trades. Suggest if you're playing challenge mode you be GM.
If I make trades myself, it'll quickly become too easy. I'd like to just let the AI do all the trades, drafting, contracts, etc., but their actions should at least make sense.

It would be cool if I could nudge them in certain directions, like setting some players to untouchable, or setting team needs, letting the AI consider that information in its decisions. Although if I could trust them to make decent decisions, I wouldn't need that.
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Old 01-02-2021, 11:25 AM   #8
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Try quitting and signing with a different club. If your current GM is being hosed on every trade, you should be able to find a more skillful boss. If GM's lose their trading acumen as soon as they hire you, perhaps there's a bug. I doubt that more than a tiny fraction of OOTP players choose manager-only mode, so the developers may get little feedback about how well or poorly that option works.
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Old 01-03-2021, 12:14 PM   #9
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You can lower the trade frequency. Won't say your GM will make better trades but he might make fewer trades.
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Old 01-03-2021, 12:31 PM   #10
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Hmm, I was convinced the trade difficulty level was affecting my GM, because my team never once made a trade that didn't give up more value than what they gained. To me, it seemed like my GM was more or less being forced into making a trade based on his trade frequency attribute.

I can look through the trade history and literally not see any positive trade. Like, how does he not get something of value for my 56 rated fully developed shortstop that had almost no service time yet and minimum salary. He got some random prospect with a 25 potential for that. That SS would have been one of my 2 best infielders...

Come back to me when your GM trades Larry Walker (in 1991, hitting .360 and exceeding all his real life performances so far in 2+years, as good as they were), Bobby Jones and cash to the Cubs for...Russ McGinnis.
Then the next year (1992), he sold the farm to get an aging Ozzie Smith in a year where we were 20 games below .500. He didn't retain him. He also traded Spike Owen and Wil Cordero for Greg Swindell, which was a good trade and Swindell was good for us...but he also did not keep him.
Now in 1993 I have a new GM, and he's been a lot better. He mostly traded for depth, and managed to get Terry Mulholland for spare parts. Mulholland is not a world beater, but he's a decent lefty in the rotation. Remains to be seen if he will stick around after this year.
All that to say...the settings for trading probably won't affect anything...the personality of the GM will. I've been through the worst trade I have ever seen in OOTP personally to a decent GM who is not selling the farm team for no reason. He's focused more on providing me depth, which I was sorely lacking. And, contrary to the dumbo who traded Larry Walker away for peanuts, he actually found me a lesser (yet competent) RF in Mark Whiten.
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Old 01-03-2021, 03:15 PM   #11
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If I make trades myself, it'll quickly become too easy. I'd like to just let the AI do all the trades, drafting, contracts, etc., but their actions should at least make sense.

It would be cool if I could nudge them in certain directions, like setting some players to untouchable, or setting team needs, letting the AI consider that information in its decisions. Although if I could trust them to make decent decisions, I wouldn't need that.
You have probably advanced beyond this solution being effective but when things got to easy as GM/Manager I changed to historical rookies and self imposed a payroll average of a bit more than the league median.
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Old 01-06-2021, 09:42 AM   #12
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All that to say...the settings for trading probably won't affect anything...the personality of the GM will. I've been through the worst trade I have ever seen in OOTP personally to a decent GM who is not selling the farm team for no reason. He's focused more on providing me depth, which I was sorely lacking. And, contrary to the dumbo who traded Larry Walker away for peanuts, he actually found me a lesser (yet competent) RF in Mark Whiten.
Well that's an idea. I can try to work under a GM that seems to have a better personality for management. My GM had a really high trade aggressiveness, which I take to mean that he will give up a lot to make the trade work. Do you happen to know what this was set to for any of the GMs you mentioned?
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Old 01-06-2021, 02:19 PM   #13
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Well that's an idea. I can try to work under a GM that seems to have a better personality for management. My GM had a really high trade aggressiveness, which I take to mean that he will give up a lot to make the trade work. Do you happen to know what this was set to for any of the GMs you mentioned?

I don't remember how the first one was. The current one has high aggressiveness on trades, but has trading set to neutral and he favors prospects slightly. What that did for me is he traded some vets out for younger players (Mahler went to Oakland for Lance Blankenship..not a great player, but he is my utility player who can play many positions). He also signed younger players to put on the team (Willie Greene was 21 at season start, decent fielder with some pop in his bat and a bit of speed), he promoted Carlos Perez and Miguel Batista to both be in the starting rotation (they both are doing good with winning records) and he's also promoted the first round pick from this season (Charles Johnson). He did trade for 30 yo Terry Mulholland, but he did win that trade by getting him only for spare parts.
Compared to the first one, he's better suited for the Montreal market.


I do think that also plays a part...in Montreal, I want a GM that's able to trade for younger players or somehow acquire them. The vision might be different playing for LAD or NYY. The first GM didn't get that, and he acquired guys like Ozzie Smith and Don Mattingly and sold the farm for them when we were 20 games under .500. That didn't make any sense.
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