Getting the Basics Right...Not!

Bones26 · 12-21-2020, 12:05 PM

Playing as Montreal, the line of Drouin (LW) - Suzuki (C) - Toffoli (RW) are on the ice for an even strength goal against, all show a minus-1 in their +/- results, as they should.

A few minutes later, this same trio happen to be on the ice together again and Toffoli scores an even strength goal assisted by both Drouin and Suzuki, to tie things up.

Except the game stats show Suzuki and Drouin still remain at minus -1 for their +/- results, all the while even though the game shows correctly both gained an assist on the goal, and which should have returned their +/- to a 0.

Instead, what we have is Toffoli's nominal line mates (Lehkonen (LW) and Kotkaniemi (C) as I set them up in the games lines set-up screen) and who weren't even in on the play or had factored on the scoreboard up until that point, now both show a plus+1 for their +/- ratings, but neither shows an assist.

Well, at least Toffoli for his part shows a 0 +/- rating as he should.

Really... after now 7 installments of FHM and for something as basic & fundamental as this, for a game that primarily relies on the compilation and presentation of data for the core of its game mechanics as this game does, and still we are seeing nonsense such as this...?

What is so annoying is that if something as basic as this is flawed, what confidence does it give a player that the rest of the data that is generated by the game is also not screwed up in some fashion.

Wow...

JeffR · 12-21-2020, 12:15 PM

Are you sure that didn't happen mid-line change? If Drouin and Suzuki had the puck before Toffoli, left the ice, and Lehkonen and Kotkaniemi came on before he scored, that's the correct scoring on the play. You don't need to be on the ice to get an assist, you do to get a + or -.

Bones26 · 12-21-2020, 12:45 PM

Well according to the numerical stats that are displayed on the right side of the play-by-play text and which I presume during the game are supposed to reflect "real time" who is on the ice at any particular time, neither Lehkonen nor Kotkaniemi were on the ice when the goal was scored.

Mind you they did come back on the ice together with Toffoli upon the resumption of play, but that was only after the goal was scored, so may be the disconnect is there..

12-21-2020, 12:05 PM	#1
Bones26 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Sherbrooke, QC Canada Posts: 64	Getting the Basics Right...Not! Playing as Montreal, the line of Drouin (LW) - Suzuki (C) - Toffoli (RW) are on the ice for an even strength goal against, all show a minus-1 in their +/- results, as they should. A few minutes later, this same trio happen to be on the ice together again and Toffoli scores an even strength goal assisted by both Drouin and Suzuki, to tie things up. Except the game stats show Suzuki and Drouin still remain at minus -1 for their +/- results, all the while even though the game shows correctly both gained an assist on the goal, and which should have returned their +/- to a 0. Instead, what we have is Toffoli's nominal line mates (Lehkonen (LW) and Kotkaniemi (C) as I set them up in the games lines set-up screen) and who weren't even in on the play or had factored on the scoreboard up until that point, now both show a plus+1 for their +/- ratings, but neither shows an assist. Well, at least Toffoli for his part shows a 0 +/- rating as he should. Really... after now 7 installments of FHM and for something as basic & fundamental as this, for a game that primarily relies on the compilation and presentation of data for the core of its game mechanics as this game does, and still we are seeing nonsense such as this...? What is so annoying is that if something as basic as this is flawed, what confidence does it give a player that the rest of the data that is generated by the game is also not screwed up in some fashion. Wow...

12-21-2020, 12:15 PM	#2
JeffR FHM Producer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kelowna, BC Posts: 17,378	Are you sure that didn't happen mid-line change? If Drouin and Suzuki had the puck before Toffoli, left the ice, and Lehkonen and Kotkaniemi came on before he scored, that's the correct scoring on the play. You don't need to be on the ice to get an assist, you do to get a + or -.

12-21-2020, 12:45 PM	#3
Bones26 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Sherbrooke, QC Canada Posts: 64	Well according to the numerical stats that are displayed on the right side of the play-by-play text and which I presume during the game are supposed to reflect "real time" who is on the ice at any particular time, neither Lehkonen nor Kotkaniemi were on the ice when the goal was scored. Mind you they did come back on the ice together with Toffoli upon the resumption of play, but that was only after the goal was scored, so may be the disconnect is there..