I Need Some Fellow GM Advice

The Game · 12-20-2020, 01:43 AM

So I have this talented 2.5 of 3.5 26 yo RP Ricardo Ortiz. This is his 1st full year at the ML level but has pitched in September for me each of the last 2 seasons and is out of options. I like him and I think he can be good but he's stinking up the joint even in garbage time. I am in 1st place in Mid May and the rest of my pen is good.

I can not find a trade thats worth pursuing. I dont want to take on salary this season, at least until July. Best anyone has for a prospect is a 2 star C with Ml experience, who is also out of options. There are some good 4 star veterans available for him but i dont want to take on $15+ million.
I know if i waive him or DFA him, he will be taken quickly as their is another 3 leagues in my universe and 1 league is new this year and needs good pitching.

I trust my scout in Ortiz' ability and potential.

I am deep in minor league ready RP.

What would you do?

CBeisbol · 12-20-2020, 02:08 AM

Have my scout sing Kokomo to me so I can relax and realize it's only May 15th and he's only faced like 50 hitters so there is zero reason to panic.

magik · 12-20-2020, 02:14 AM

I would keep him for a few more weeks in case of injury.

Then possibly trade him for a veteran for the world series or a prospect on one of my weaker position long-term.

mytreds · 12-20-2020, 02:23 AM

Yeah man, it’s early in the season, you’re in first place. Give him until the trade deadline. More trades will open up for you by then.

polydamas · 12-20-2020, 02:50 AM

I'd throw him into the fire as a stopper and give him 40 innings to figure things out or pack his bags

Bobbyraz49 · 12-20-2020, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mytreds

Yeah man, it’s early in the season, you’re in first place. Give him until the trade deadline. More trades will open up for you by then.

Speaking of trade deadlines.....In my default leagues ,even after the trade deadline passes, I get messages say these players are available for trade. I also get my own players demanding a trade in mid-August.

TomVeal · 12-20-2020, 10:47 AM

I agree with all of the foregoing. You have a classic "small sample size".

If he doesn't start pitching up to his perceived ability by the trade deadline, (i) take what you can get for him, and (ii) hire a new scout.

CBeisbol · 12-20-2020, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobbyraz49

Speaking of trade deadlines.....In my default leagues ,even after the trade deadline passes, I get messages say these players are available for trade. I also get my own players demanding a trade in mid-August.

https://manuals.ootpdevelopments.com...ading_deadline

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(ii) hire a new scout.

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mytreds · 12-20-2020, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobbyraz49

Speaking of trade deadlines.....In my default leagues ,even after the trade deadline passes, I get messages say these players are available for trade. I also get my own players demanding a trade in mid-August.

You might have waiver trading enabled. That means you can trade players by each team claiming the wanted players from waivers. However if another team not involved in the trade also claims the player the trade is then nullified. It was a type of trade that was done away with in 2019.

More about waivers here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majo...l_transactions

brian_msbc · 12-21-2020, 10:24 AM

Looks like a sample size issue. Although if he has major R/L splits it’s something that could be a long term problem.

DFyvie · 12-21-2020, 11:46 AM

I'd wait and see - the trade market really softens up the longer you wait and he's not really in the way at the moment. And who knows? He could have a great June and July.

tejdog1 · 12-27-2020, 07:33 PM

He needs to get his feet wet. You're talking sporadic 20 innings across three seasons. He needs consistent innings. Depends on if you play out every game or not, but if not, set his role to middle relief/avoid high leverage, and let him pitch.

The Game · 12-29-2020, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tejdog1

He needs to get his feet wet. You're talking sporadic 20 innings across three seasons. He needs consistent innings. Depends on if you play out every game or not, but if not, set his role to middle relief/avoid high leverage, and let him pitch.

I play out every game in the 1st half. If I have a huge lead then i sim vs sub .500 teams 1-2 games each series.
His ERA is now 8.25 in 12 IP 2 HR 13 Bb 12K. For now I am keeping him. i cant find a 4th Of I like for him and I have an injury to both my #1 SP and my RF.

12-20-2020, 02:23 AM	#4
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12-27-2020, 07:33 PM	#12
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,654	He needs to get his feet wet. You're talking sporadic 20 innings across three seasons. He needs consistent innings. Depends on if you play out every game or not, but if not, set his role to middle relief/avoid high leverage, and let him pitch. __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

12-20-2020, 01:43 AM	#1
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	I Need Some Fellow GM Advice So I have this talented 2.5 of 3.5 26 yo RP Ricardo Ortiz. This is his 1st full year at the ML level but has pitched in September for me each of the last 2 seasons and is out of options. I like him and I think he can be good but he's stinking up the joint even in garbage time. I am in 1st place in Mid May and the rest of my pen is good. I can not find a trade thats worth pursuing. I dont want to take on salary this season, at least until July. Best anyone has for a prospect is a 2 star C with Ml experience, who is also out of options. There are some good 4 star veterans available for him but i dont want to take on $15+ million. I know if i waive him or DFA him, he will be taken quickly as their is another 3 leagues in my universe and 1 league is new this year and needs good pitching. I trust my scout in Ortiz' ability and potential. I am deep in minor league ready RP. What would you do? Attached Images __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

12-20-2020, 02:08 AM	#2
CBeisbol Banned Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Ban land in 3...2... Posts: 2,943	Have my scout sing Kokomo to me so I can relax and realize it's only May 15th and he's only faced like 50 hitters so there is zero reason to panic.

12-20-2020, 02:14 AM	#3
magik Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 88	I would keep him for a few more weeks in case of injury. Then possibly trade him for a veteran for the world series or a prospect on one of my weaker position long-term.

12-20-2020, 02:50 AM	#5
polydamas All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 604	I'd throw him into the fire as a stopper and give him 40 innings to figure things out or pack his bags

12-20-2020, 10:47 AM	#7
TomVeal All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Spanaway, Washington Posts: 1,258	I agree with all of the foregoing. You have a classic "small sample size". If he doesn't start pitching up to his perceived ability by the trade deadline, (i) take what you can get for him, and (ii) hire a new scout.

12-21-2020, 10:24 AM	#10
brian_msbc Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 94	Looks like a sample size issue. Although if he has major R/L splits it’s something that could be a long term problem.

12-21-2020, 11:46 AM	#11
DFyvie Major Leagues Join Date: May 2014 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 389	I'd wait and see - the trade market really softens up the longer you wait and he's not really in the way at the moment. And who knows? He could have a great June and July.