How do I import Negro League players EASILY in 1901-1920

Carlton · 12-13-2020, 03:14 PM

By knowing some negro league players and dissecting the master.csv I can find some players, but most are hard to import as they sometimes say they cannot be found

What file in the stats folder should I use?
Also is there a file somewhere that is grouped by year that I can use to import?

I made the PCL an independent league in 1901 that is not segregated and I'd love to have the Negro League FA play in there until Calvin Coolidge can desegregate for good in 1925

Tiger Fan · 12-13-2020, 03:52 PM

If you select to import and maintain real minor leagues and players all Negro Leaguers in the database will import automatically. I did something very similar with OOTP19 and it should work the same for 21. I did a tutorial here but I think you have everything down if you have added the PCL around 1901.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=286497

mitchkenn · 12-13-2020, 05:35 PM

i am no longer certain where i got this .csv list, most likely from Spritze when the Negro Leagues were first introduced to the game a few years back. at the time it was all the Negro League players that were in the game. i am not certain if there have been more added. it's sorted alphabetically, but it can be sorted by debut year. it also has the player ID's for those players. Hope it helps.

Carlton · 12-14-2020, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiger Fan

If you select to import and maintain real minor leagues and players all Negro Leaguers in the database will import automatically. I did something very similar with OOTP19 and it should work the same for 21. I did a tutorial here but I think you have everything down if you have added the PCL around 1901.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=286497

OH! The part I must have missed in your walk through (Which I did check to make sure my plan was close) was that I needed to select REAL minor leagues.

I created the American Association and International League as AAA farm clubs, Southern Association & Texas League as AA & Eastern League & Western League as A as all fictional

I guess that won't work. Maybe I should just go back to 1871, make a 6 team NL from the get go and slowly build up the teams while using deadball era but gradually make them 4 man pitching staffs and see if I can have a normalized league until HRs become a threat in the 20s

Carlton · 12-14-2020, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mitchkenn

i am no longer certain where i got this .csv list, most likely from Spritze when the Negro Leagues were first introduced to the game a few years back. at the time it was all the Negro League players that were in the game. i am not certain if there have been more added. it's sorted alphabetically, but it can be sorted by debut year. it also has the player ID's for those players. Hope it helps.

YES! I had this too and got it from Spritze's High School DB I believe.

You wouldn't happen to have his PCL one also?

mitchkenn · 12-14-2020, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlton

YES! I had this too and got it from Spritze's High School DB I believe.

You wouldn't happen to have his PCL one also?

unfortunately no. i was lucky to get a few items such as that .csv file off my dying old computer, but alas, if anything else was there, it's gone to cyber oblivion..

The Game · 12-17-2020, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mitchkenn

i am no longer certain where i got this .csv list, most likely from Spritze when the Negro Leagues were first introduced to the game a few years back. at the time it was all the Negro League players that were in the game. i am not certain if there have been more added. it's sorted alphabetically, but it can be sorted by debut year. it also has the player ID's for those players. Hope it helps.

I had just messaged Spritze about this yesterday, so maybe you can help me now. This player is the Great Unlce of a person i talked to on Twitter and i would like to import them but the ID from seamheads doesnt work and i am failing to find him in the link you posted.
http://www.seamheads.com/NegroLgs/pl...e01tho&tab=bat

mitchkenn · 12-17-2020, 09:47 PM

hmmm. that's one i've not seen. and Seamheads ID doesn't work? that's not good, as Seamheads was the main ID source for the Negro Leagues Spritze told me once. i did find this entry in a book i have: "The Biographical Encyclopedia Of The Negro Baseball Leagues." Turner, Thomas (career 1947 - Position 1B. Team: Chicago American Giants. He was a backup- first baseman with the Chicago American Giants in 1947" that is the entire write-up in the book.
But the book (printed in 1994) has no player IDs or anything.

i found this note on Baseball Reference: " Tom Turner was an American Negro League baseball player. He was nicknamed "High Pockets."
A pitcher and first baseman, Turner played for the Cincinnati Stars in 1936. While in the military during the early 1940s - he was drafted into the Army, though he did not serve overseas during World War II - Turner played for the Service Command Unit baseball team. After returning to civilian life, Turner played briefly in Mexico. Returning stateside, he played for the Chicago American Giants in 1947 and later the Valley Tigers. "

Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Tu...ets_Turner.jpg) has the same write up, but has a photo of the gentleman.

To get him in the game without a known player ID, you'd have to create a new player (from the free agent page) ... give a few bits of info (age ,etc) and then when the game gives you a bogus fictional name, write it down, search for that player and edit with the correct info - as sparse as it is. Maybe mixing it with anything Seamheads has ....

hope this helps, i know it's not what you were looking for, but it's the best i could find.

djc · 02-23-2021, 02:25 PM

Thanks Tiger Fan for the lesson. I have been away from the OOTP game for some time now but I have been doing some research of the Negro Leagues. I noticed another Negro Leaguer in the minors in 1898, Carlos Royer, actual a Cuban players. Since I haven't played the game in a while... 2016. Can you tell me will these minor leaguers ever have a chance of making it to the bigs?

djc · 02-23-2021, 03:16 PM

Here is some interesting reading on Negro League comparisons to mlb players
https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2017/1...agues-hitters/

djc · 03-08-2021, 05:34 PM

I am having trouble with getting players named ballplayer and made up players like Doc Seuss? what the heck is this all about?

Carlton · 03-18-2021, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by djc

I am having trouble with getting players named ballplayer and made up players like Doc Seuss? what the heck is this all about?

Those ballplayer players are PCL players that only their last name was in the boxscore

Just sort and delete them, that is what I do

12-13-2020, 03:14 PM	#1
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	How do I import Negro League players EASILY in 1901-1920 By knowing some negro league players and dissecting the master.csv I can find some players, but most are hard to import as they sometimes say they cannot be found What file in the stats folder should I use? Also is there a file somewhere that is grouped by year that I can use to import? I made the PCL an independent league in 1901 that is not segregated and I'd love to have the Negro League FA play in there until Calvin Coolidge can desegregate for good in 1925

12-13-2020, 03:52 PM	#2
Tiger Fan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 9,806	If you select to import and maintain real minor leagues and players all Negro Leaguers in the database will import automatically. I did something very similar with OOTP19 and it should work the same for 21. I did a tutorial here but I think you have everything down if you have added the PCL around 1901. https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=286497 __________________ Cliff Markle HOB1 greatest pitcher 360-160, 9 Welch Awards, 11 WS titles

12-17-2020, 09:47 PM	#8
mitchkenn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Oregon, not by design Posts: 2,872	hmmm. that's one i've not seen. and Seamheads ID doesn't work? that's not good, as Seamheads was the main ID source for the Negro Leagues Spritze told me once. i did find this entry in a book i have: "The Biographical Encyclopedia Of The Negro Baseball Leagues." Turner, Thomas (career 1947 - Position 1B. Team: Chicago American Giants. He was a backup- first baseman with the Chicago American Giants in 1947" that is the entire write-up in the book. But the book (printed in 1994) has no player IDs or anything. i found this note on Baseball Reference: " Tom Turner was an American Negro League baseball player. He was nicknamed "High Pockets." A pitcher and first baseman, Turner played for the Cincinnati Stars in 1936. While in the military during the early 1940s - he was drafted into the Army, though he did not serve overseas during World War II - Turner played for the Service Command Unit baseball team. After returning to civilian life, Turner played briefly in Mexico. Returning stateside, he played for the Chicago American Giants in 1947 and later the Valley Tigers. " Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Tu...ets_Turner.jpg) has the same write up, but has a photo of the gentleman. To get him in the game without a known player ID, you'd have to create a new player (from the free agent page) ... give a few bits of info (age ,etc) and then when the game gives you a bogus fictional name, write it down, search for that player and edit with the correct info - as sparse as it is. Maybe mixing it with anything Seamheads has .... hope this helps, i know it's not what you were looking for, but it's the best i could find. __________________ "This is my opening farewell " - Jackson Browne “They make a desolation and call it peace.” ― Agha Shahid Ali "Maybe she just has to sing, for the sake of the song - And who do I think that I am to decide that she's wrong." - Townes Van Zandt "I saw a young man leaning on his wooden crutch - He called out to me, 'Don't ask for so much' And a young woman leaning in her darkened door She cried out to me, 'Why not ask for more?' " - Leonard Cohen "Hello darkness, my old Friend ...." - Paul Simon Before Mays, before DiMaggio, there was Oscar Charleston. "All the lies about Babe Ruth are true." - Waite Hoyt Avatar is the late great Townes Van Zandt. rip. Last edited by mitchkenn; 12-17-2020 at 09:54 PM. Reason: add info

02-23-2021, 02:25 PM	#9
djc Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2020 Posts: 90	Thanks Tiger Fan for the lesson. I have been away from the OOTP game for some time now but I have been doing some research of the Negro Leagues. I noticed another Negro Leaguer in the minors in 1898, Carlos Royer, actual a Cuban players. Since I haven't played the game in a while... 2016. Can you tell me will these minor leaguers ever have a chance of making it to the bigs?

02-23-2021, 03:16 PM	#10
djc Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2020 Posts: 90	Here is some interesting reading on Negro League comparisons to mlb players https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2017/1...agues-hitters/

03-08-2021, 05:34 PM	#11
djc Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2020 Posts: 90	I am having trouble with getting players named ballplayer and made up players like Doc Seuss? what the heck is this all about?