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Bat Boy
Join Date: Jan 2019
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Why am I so bad at this game?
I have no idea what I'm doing wrong, but every save seems to follow a pattern.
I almost always play in the SHL or KHL. First season is okay and close to expectations up until the end of the season. The last 10 games are always a ****show and I just barely make the playoffs where the bad trend continues and I lose. Next season always starts out really well and I'm among the best teams. Midway through the season my team goes on a losing streak (On my current save I went from second place to 12th in the SHL after I lost 9 games in a row). I honestly don't know what I'm doing wrong. My team is almost always considered favourites ahead of the season and then they just play like crap. I have a strong team which consists of mostly 2,5-3 stars. A couple of 3,5 and a few 2s. I try to build the team around two strong scoring lines with the tactics to match, thrid line is checking or scoring and 4th is checking. Defenders I try to pair one who is a slightly bit more offensive and one defensive. Third pair is a shutdown pair. I try to have one goalie who is among the best in the league and a solid backup. Recently I started a new NHL save, which is also going really bad. I'm in my 6th year and have only reached the playoffs once, despite having a strong team the last 3-4 seasons. I look at the other teams who seem to just randomly throw players around on their lines and are doing great. Skill-wise my team should be one of the best in the league. The biggest problem seems to be shots on my goalie, which is sometimes as low as 15 but on occassions get close to 60 (!?). I try to adjust my tactics so they match the line's strengths. What the heck am I doing wrong? What am I missing? |
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Oct 2011
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To me your problems lie in your tactics. There are a couple of good threads around here, have a read and you'll improve.
I'm also often a victim of losing streaks...they do happen, just like IRL. You need to try and change something, and it will work out. Sometimes it's luck, sometimes you manage to understand. |
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Minors (Rookie Ball)
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: Colorado, I think
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Do you sim your games? I'm pretty much a noob to FHM, but played hockey competitively through college. I agree with the previous that tactics seem critical. In my first full season, I figured I'd play through each game of the season (Challenge mode/Unemployed/Unknown & HC/GM in Czech Chance Liga) to get a feel for how things function. I've experimented with the AI setting up my organization and letting my assistant choose the lines. During my pre-season, it was a mixed bag...got completely blown out a couple games, then had some fair performances. Fast forward to almost mid-season (Chance Liga has an odd schedule/playoff system with top six teams making it to quarterfinals, 6-10 play round robin for last to "wild card" teams) where I know my players better, and have chosen my own lines/goaltenders. My team is also a farm team to the Czech Extraliga & that team is facing relegation, so I have the added bonus of having apparently underperforming players dumped on me from the the parent team, and some of my best performers (and prospects) being called up. I'm building my team around youth (players as young as 15), and owning their contracts seems key to control. I'm hoping at season end, the parent team will dump some of those players. Right now, we're holding our own in the battle to make the top six, though we have the second worst goals against and fourth best goal scoring (-6 differential). I often study the other teams tactics pre-game, though FHM limits what you can see (and not sure it's "cheating" or not)...and while I try to stay consistent with my team tactics, I do switch it up if my team's tactics seem a fairly risky mismatch. I also have a couple disgruntled (angry) players from the parent team who seem to cost me penalties at critical and late points of the game. It takes a fair amount of patience IMHO and since I'm a first-year.HC/GM, I'm slowly building my team around prospects too so I'm looking forward to what might happen next season, especially curious to see how FHM handles it if the parent team gets relegated from the major Czech league. Bottomline: Have fun & experiment. Sure, it's fun to win championships and do well, but it's a challenge, and some luck required.
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Major Leagues
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 387
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Out of interest, what do you do to study the other teams tactics? I'm not sure how to do this exactly
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Bat Boy
Join Date: Jan 2019
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I go to the list of teams and choose my next opponents, and then I just go to their tactics screen. Not sure if that counts as "cheating" though... |
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Major Leagues
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 387
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Didn't realise you could do this.
I love FHM but one of the biggest issues with the game right now is that it provides you with very little information about what is or isn't working for you tactically. This means you are often changing things randomly and just hoping for the best. Oth |
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Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Ohio
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I am playing as the newly resurrected Cleveland Barons. We are in our first season. The team is a bunch of mostly low level free agents. Some players rated 2.5 mixed in. I don't expect the team to be very good, but we are losing by huge margins to just about everyone in the NHL. I have read some tactical advice here, and tried to implement it, but nothing seems to change. I'm specifically talking about things like shots on goal. Opponents have 40, 50 or more shots on goal, while my team has fewer than 10. Even when I instruct my best shooters to shoot much more. Even when, in the 3rd period, I instruct everybody to shoot much more. Letting the AI set roles and lines doesn't help. Before my last game, against Toronto, I discovered that my 2 best offensive players were not even dressed. I wish there was a way to see player ratings in-game, when you are in the tactics section, giving instructions to individual players. How can I tell my best shooters to shoot more in the 2nd period if I can't click on a name and see who my best shooters are? How can I adjust roles during a game when I can't see which things a particular player is good at?
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Minors (Rookie Ball)
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 40
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Can't say I disagree much with anything that you guys have put forth.
I know the standard response from the devs & mods here when people complain about the tactics is "You can let the AI handle it", but you all point out correctly that the AI makes some extremely strange decisions. I know there are all kinds of charts and guides that people have put together to help out with setting roles and tactics, but speaking for myself, I don't want to work that hard to play a game. I enjoyed the tactics in the version of the game where it gave you a 1 - 5 star rating for how the players on your team would execute a particular tactic, and you could just choose that tactic. I don't remember which particular version that was at this point. In FHM4, I got so frustrated I just edited all my coaches and jacked all their ratings up to 20 so they would be the best at everything. In 6, what I've found works for me is after training camp, I choose the players I want to dress, and then let the AI set the roles. It still makes some wonky decisions, like putting your best LW on the third line or making a player that is clearly best as a sniper a speedy forward role, but after I do that I go back in and rearrange the lines/roles to what I prefer. It seems to work for me. I'm in my 16th season in a historical NHL game that started in 1967. I managed to win 3 straight cups in seasons 6, 7 & 8, and I'm just started to come out of a rebuild after I hung on to some of those cup winning players too long. Personally, I think it would be nice if there were levels of tactics, like Rookie, Pro, and Advanced or something like that. Rookie could give you just the option to choose the best tactic that suits your team, and Advanced could give you all the nitty gritty minutiae if that's what you're into. |
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Minors (Rookie Ball)
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 40
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Yes, it is, although I haven't seemed to need it like I did in FHM4.
Go to your Staff screen, click on a coach, and then the third tab is Edit. You can edit their ratings in there. Last edited by Elvis965; 11-18-2020 at 09:55 AM. Reason: Editing quote |
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Major Leagues
Join Date: Apr 2018
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Completely agree that letting AI isn't really the answer to fixing tactical issues. It's a very grey area of the game. Hopefully, there will be some shift in direction and improvements in this aspect of the game for FHM 7 - whenever that maybe...
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What I wonder about is the shots per game. The Islanders had 63 shots on goal vs 3 for Cleveland. I chose myself which players to dress and let the AI set the lines and roles. During the 2nd quarter I went to the tactics screen and made adjustments, ordering all of my lines to shoot often. Still, at the end of the game my team had only 3 shots on goal. Do any real NHL teams have results this bad? I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
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Major Leagues
Join Date: Apr 2018
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3 shots on goal in a game is unheard of. It would be poor in one period to have 3 SOG
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Any more advice would be appreciated. And I don't mean "advice" along the lines of the "it's yer tactics, mate!" nonsense that appears in the FM forum. I enjoy this game still, and I keep coming back to it, but that initial excitement is beginning to fade.
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Minors (Rookie Ball)
Join Date: Mar 2016
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3 shots in a game is unheard of.....I'm pretty sure the NHL record is 10...
Try these steps, and see if it helps: - Go to the Staff tab, and check the ratings on your coaches. If they're terrible, go out to the Free Agent tab in the Staff screen and look for better ones and hire them. Choose Training from the drop down, and then sort on one of the skills so Excellent is at the top. Look for guys that have almost all Excellent, Very Good, or Good in all the skills and hire them and fire your guys. If you don't feel like doing that, just edit the coaches you have and jack all their ratings up to 20. - After that, clear your lines. Dress the players you want to play, and then from the Lines tab do AI Set Roles from the drop down. - Check the role that the AI assigned for each player. Sometimes the AI will set a wonky role, like give a guy a Screener role that's only a 10 but he's a 12 or 13 in a two way forward role. Adjust the roles so each guy is playing the one that is best suited for him. - Adjust the lines so you have guys with complimentary roles playing together, like a sniper and a playmaker. Hopefully that helps you out. Last edited by Elvis965; 11-25-2020 at 12:14 PM. Reason: Spelling |
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Major Leagues
Join Date: Apr 2018
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Maybe post some screenshots of your team?
Are you changing tactical settings too frequently? Are you rotating your goalies enough (i.e much more than you would in FM). |
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All Star Starter
Join Date: Apr 2013
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I've also found custom mode to be easier.
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Join Date: Nov 2002
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I only picked which players to dress. I let the AI set all roles and lines. But my games still showed 50+ shots on goal for every opponent and fewer than 10 shots on goal for my team. Now, in my latest game, the shots on goal ratio was 57 to 7 in the third period when the game just crashed. No message, just suddenly the program crashed. Oh well. This is getting too frustrating. I expect to lose a lot, but the game shows that my players are not even trying, even though now my coaches have been edited to have elite level coaching skills.
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Bat Boy
Join Date: Nov 2020
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You brought him up. Not me. You. And, as an aside, your grammar is incorrect. It should be "You're fired." Next you will be typing all in caps.
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