Players Unhappy About Role on Team...Really Confused

[RockRocks787]

Five out of my nine starters (who have been starting since the season began) are currently unhappy or even angry about their role on the team. Four of the five have Starting Lineup as their expectation and the fifth has Top of the Lineup as his (he's batting 3rd in the lineup). I have attached two screenshots.

Below is what the online manual says about Role on Team.

How the player feels about his role on the team. In OOTP, each player has an 'expected role' on the team. Some pitchers might expect to be starters, others members of the bullpen. Position players might expect a spot in the middle of the lineup, and so forth. This expected role is displayed in the Morale Details section of the Player Profile page. The Role on Team morale factor is based on this expected role. Players whose expected roles are not being met are likely to be unhappy.

Based on that there's absolutely no reason why those five should be unhappy about their role. I'm guessing there's more to that rating than just their spot in the lineup. I was thinking that maybe I had too many captains on the team. I did find a reddit thread where the possibility of too many captains was discussed and they agreed that there's no such thing as too many captains so I'm guessing that's not the issue. I'm just really confused about this one. Usually I can look around and put it together but this one is a bit of a mystery for me.

[BIG17EASY]

I wouldn't really worry about it if I were you. The team chemistry is great and each player's overall morale is good. So unless they're performing well below expectations and you're trying to find a reason, I wouldn't worry about their unhappiness with their role.

I will add, though, that in my experience when a player expects to be at the top of the order, third isn't high enough. It usually means leadoff and sometimes they'll be ok with hitting second. The AI considers batting third to be middle of the order.

[RockRocks787]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

I wouldn't really worry about it if I were you. The team chemistry is great and each player's overall morale is good. So unless they're performing well below expectations and you're trying to find a reason, I wouldn't worry about their unhappiness with their role.

I will add, though, that in my experience when a player expects to be at the top of the order, third isn't high enough. It usually means leadoff and sometimes they'll be ok with hitting second. The AI considers batting third to be middle of the order.

Gotcha. Yeah I'm really just curious more than anything. This league is a very competitive one and I'm within a year or two from having the team I've spent about six seasons building for so I just want to make sure the game isn't throwing anything at me that I'm not prepared for.

[mytreds]

Top of the lineup up means 1st in the batting order. 3rd is more considered the middle of the lineup.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by mytreds

Top of the lineup up means 1st in the batting order. 3rd is more considered the middle of the lineup.

1 2 3 = top
4 5 6 = middle
7 8 9 = bottom

[mytreds]

Originally Posted by RchW

1 2 3 = top
4 5 6 = middle
7 8 9 = bottom

1<—————— Top
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9<—————— Bottom

[CBeisbol]

1<—————— Top
2
3
4
5<—————— Middle?
6
7
8
9<—————— Bottom

In my experience
1,2 = Top
3,4,5 = Middle
6,7 = no nickname
8,9 = Bottom

I also think that a team has "batted around" when the 9th hitter of an inning finishes their plate appearance

[RonCo]

As a general rule, I'd say 1 & 2 are top of the order, 3, 4, 5, are kind of middle of the order, and below that are bottom of the order...but that's my personal reaction rather than anything solid.

[louisvillec271]

How did you wind up with that many captains on your team?

[luckymann]

Originally Posted by louisvillec271

How did you wind up with that many captains on your team?

It would be a real problem if he was managing Cleveland...

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

I also think that a team has "batted around" when the 9th hitter of an inning finishes their plate appearance

I think a team has batted around when the 10th batter walks to the plate.

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by Brad K

I think a team has batted around when the 10th batter walks to the plate.

I don't agree with that definition.
Completing 9 plate appearances completes the circle, just as completing 60 seconds completes a minute.

I don't think you agree with it either.
Suppose the ninth batter hits a sac fly scoring a runner from 3rd. The 10th batter walks to the plate and the pitcher throws to third to appeal that the runner left to early and is called out. That would satisfy your definition but I don't think it would satisfy you.

[ALB123]

I've always considered "batting around" to mean that whichever player started the half-inning at-bat comes to bat for the 2nd time in an inning. I don't know if there is an official definition. Someone would have to consult with the Googles for that verification.

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by ALB123

I've always considered "batting around" to mean that whichever player started the half-inning at-bat comes to bat for the 2nd time in an inning. I don't know if there is an official definition. Someone would have to consult with the Googles for that verification.

It's an internet "discussion"

Kinda like if hotdogs are sandwiches
What color that dress is
Laurel or Yanny
If pineapple belongs on pizza
etc...