Garrett Crochet of White Sox

[Bunktown Ballers]

I was surprised to see Garrett Crochet the 6' 6" left-handed pitcher for the White Sox not added to Free Agent AH pool. He's thrown 60% or his pitches at 100+ MPH & 93% of his pitches at 99+ MPH. He had 5 appearances last week with near impeccable control and only had 2 hits against him. He was added to the playoff roster by White Sox after only being drafted by the White Sox a few short months ago in the MLB draft. I guess him not playing for Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers etc he probably wasn't even noticed by OOTP.



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Please don't mention reason bc of playing time because I still have players that were added all through the year that has not seen action or 1 or 2 games or no longer even with Sox or even in organization...lol...Sure could use a nice catcher for the team too. I have too use all 7 catchers throughout a season to get by with none hitting over .200 and staying cold from 4th or 5th game to seasons end..

[bailey]

For the record these were the live players added in the last update. They must have actually missed the Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers, etc.

[Lukas Berger]

Thanks for pointing that out!

As we've repeatedly said, card creation etc. is automated, so no human bias comes into it at all. It would make no difference what team he was on, the same thing would have happened.

Looking at what might have gone wrong, it seems the issue here is that since he jumped directly from college to MLB, he is not present in the master db of potential players for PT, which was created at the beginning of the (original) season.

We'll have to take a look tomorrow at how/if it's possible to fix this and get him a card.

[Izz]

Dude throws pure fire:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GYYwlpODZU

[BigRed75]

Dude’s just salty because the White Sox fell from the 2nd to the 7th seed in 48 hours

[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by bailey

For the record these were the live players added in the last update. They must have actually missed the Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers, etc.

Missed White Sox too

[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by BigRed75

Dude’s just salty because the White Sox fell from the 2nd to the 7th seed in 48 hours

Hell nah, When you not in playoffs for 12 years #1 or #8 seed wouldn't and don't bother me at all. BTW They fell from best record in AL to 7th seed in last 12 games. Laugh all you want but my WHITE SOX are gonna be BEAST for the forseeble future. Don't be surprised if they go all the way this year. GO GO @WHITESOX


YAHOOOOOOOO

[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by Izz

Dude throws pure fire:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GYYwlpODZU

He's no doubt a game changer especially in playoffs this year

[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Thanks for pointing that out!

As we've repeatedly said, card creation etc. is automated, so no human bias comes into it at all. It would make no difference what team he was on, the same thing would have happened.

Looking at what might have gone wrong, it seems the issue here is that since he jumped directly from college to MLB, he is not present in the master db of potential players for PT, which was created at the beginning of the (original) season.

We'll have to take a look tomorrow at how/if it's possible to fix this and get him a card.

Thanks Lukas. Of my 3 teams in PT21 one team is White Sox only players and I could use HELP. I don't imagine card maker will put him as good as he's been so far bc....LIGHTS OUT...LOL....If you haven't seen him pitch yet, there are many videos from last week alone

[Kris Jardine]

Crochet has been added, his card is available in packs now

[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by Kris Jardine

Crochet has been added, his card is available in packs now

I'm finding walk rating is to low as he has walked a total of ZERO batters in 6 innings & K'd 8 only 3 hits. Just making observance.


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[Izz]

Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

I'm finding walk rating is to low as he has walked a total of ZERO batters in 6 innings & K'd 8 only 3 hits. Just making observance.


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His rating won't be based purely on his stats. The biggest component will be his projections, i think.

[Bunktown Ballers]

[QUOTE=Izz;4699012]His rating won't be based purely on his stats. The biggest component will be his projections, i think.[


Yeah, projections, smojections.....of course. Real stats don't figure into anything. Lemme see...didn't walk batters in high school, didn't walk batters in college, dominated batters in MLB with ZERO walks...sure let's give him high walk rating bc WE think he might walk ppl.....one day....That I call a weak ratings system...Just me I guess

[FancySkunk]

Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

Yeah, projections, smojections.....of course. Real stats don't figure into anything. Lemme see...didn't walk batters in high school, didn't walk batters in college, dominated batters in MLB with ZERO walks...sure let's give him high walk rating bc WE think he might walk ppl.....one day....That I call a weak ratings system...Just me I guess

Okay first off the "WE" you're railing against is ZiPS, which is a highly sophisticated and respected projection formula. OOTP isn't pulling numbers out of thin air.

Second off, the idea that Crochet "didn't walk batters in college" is nice and all, but his college stats are really easy to look up and contradict that notion. He had a 3.3 BB/9 in his college career. If you're really going to argue that the 3.1 walkless college innings he pitched in 2020 are all that should count, I don't know what to tell you there. That's an absurdly small sample size.

Again, not walking anyone at the MLB level? He pitched 6 innings. You can't base ratings on a sample that small.

Looking at his scouting reports, he was typically graded at a 50 on the 20-80 scale for control. That's considered... average. And his control ratings in the game are... average.

All signs point to OOTP getting this right. Crochet has not been, and will not be a high control guy.

[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by FancySkunk

Okay first off the "WE" you're railing against is ZiPS, which is a highly sophisticated and respected projection formula. OOTP isn't pulling numbers out of thin air.

Second off, the idea that Crochet "didn't walk batters in college" is nice and all, but his college stats are really easy to look up and contradict that notion. He had a 3.3 BB/9 in his college career. If you're really going to argue that the 3.1 walkless college innings he pitched in 2020 are all that should count, I don't know what to tell you there. That's an absurdly small sample size.

Again, not walking anyone at the MLB level? He pitched 6 innings. You can't base ratings on a sample that small.

Looking at his scouting reports, he was typically graded at a 50 on the 20-80 scale for control. That's considered... average. And his control ratings in the game are... average.
A small sample size is better than pulling numbers out of thin air, wouldn't you say? wouldn't you rather a sample size to compare things over or just projecting things using nothing..except opinions?

All signs point to OOTP getting this right. Crochet has not been, and will not be a high control guy.

ZZZZZZZZZ...Wake me when you tell me how right ZIPS was when giving Vlad, Jr. a 98-100 card right off the bat when now team is worried if he'll even pan out to be an average MLB player. LIke I said before projections, smojections is just an opinion from AI based software. I remember when Giolito was on his way out of MLB too. Look man/woman projecting anything in the way of sports goes is nothing but a turkey shoot game at the carnival. The sight is off and barrell is bent. Give me clean "Look what I have done numbers and not projections" I just made a comment that I thought his walk rating was low. Remember if you old enough Kerry Wood and Mark Prior were HOF destined at one time.. all signs in MLB for now project Crochet to be a high control guy..check his stats vs projections. MLB history is full of wrong projections and right projections, so which is right?

[dkgo]

zips didnt give vlad jr a 100 card, that was due to a bug where added live cards matched their future legend card overall that the dev team has told us about several times

you are just a crazy person screaming at clouds now

[mcdog512]

White Sox is a baseball team, not a deity. I do sort of applaud your fandom though. I love my local team. My buddy and I watched a Twins-White Sox game in the mid 80's I believe it was. Carlton Fisk came up to bat and my buddy said "he's wearing the wrong color socks" which made me laugh. Two old ladies in front of us wearing White Sox stuff both turned around and one said "Socks would be red, just like your neck", F you I thought. At least my club didn't throw a world series. Nothing lower than that. I got a dirty look and the game went on. I think the Sox won but I do not remember.

[FancySkunk]

Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

ZZZZZZZZZ...Wake me when you tell me how right ZIPS was when giving Vlad, Jr. a 98-100 card right off the bat when now team is worried if he'll even pan out to be an average MLB player. LIke I said before projections, smojections is just an opinion from AI based software. I remember when Giolito was on his way out of MLB too. Look man/woman projecting anything in the way of sports goes is nothing but a turkey shoot game at the carnival. The sight is off and barrell is bent. Give me clean "Look what I have done numbers and not projections" I just made a comment that I thought his walk rating was low. Remember if you old enough Kerry Wood and Mark Prior were HOF destined at one time.. all signs in MLB for now project Crochet to be a high control guy..check his stats vs projections. MLB history is full of wrong projections and right projections, so which is right?

Basing his control ratings off of the 128 innings he pitched where they were extremely mediocre makes way more sense than basing them off of the 9 innings where they were great.

Dude had a good run of not walking guys. I don't deny that at all. However, he didn't suddenly become the best control pitcher in the history of baseball. Anyone can look like a god in a small sample size. Get back to me when he shows he can do this over a whole season.