Interfering Owner

[Hacksaw86]

I don't think I have ever had an owner that is listed as "Interfering" before now. Was surprised to see when I got a message that one of my players signed an extension. Cool feature though, working for this guy could be interesting!

[Dave Stieb II]

Good Luck with this guy - I think you're going to need it.
It seems you have the right attitude to carry on working for this meddling .
I'd be inclined to start searching for another job - or start a new game. LOL
To be honest, I feel there is a step missing to make this sort of thing reflect real life in any way.
Sure, there are meddling and difficult owners, but you shouldn't just open your emails one day and find out the owner has extended a player, without any advance knowledge that that was his intention.
You should have been told in advance by the owner that he wanted this player extended and that there was no room for debate.
He should have then asked you if you were going to get it done or if he should take the matter into his own hands.
That would more accurately reflect real life.
As annoying as some real life owners might be, there is NO WAY an owner would simply sign such an extension without the GM having even an inkling it was a strong possibility.

[GTAltman]

Clearly, you never lived thru the George Steinbrenner Era.
😂😂😂

Originally Posted by Dave Stieb II

Good Luck with this guy - I think you're going to need it.
It seems you have the right attitude to carry on working for this meddling .
I'd be inclined to start searching for another job - or start a new game. LOL
To be honest, I feel there is a step missing to make this sort of thing reflect real life in any way.
Sure, there are meddling and difficult owners, but you shouldn't just open your emails one day and find out the owner has extended a player, without any advance knowledge that that was his intention.
You should have been told in advance by the owner that he wanted this player extended and that there was no room for debate.
He should have then asked you if you were going to get it done or if he should take the matter into his own hands.
That would more accurately reflect real life.
As annoying as some real life owners might be, there is NO WAY an owner would simply sign such an extension without the GM having even an inkling it was a strong possibility.

[lencombs]

I couldn't work for an owner like that. First time he locks down an aging vet on an expensive long term deal I'd be out.

[Dave Stieb II]

Originally Posted by GTAltman

Clearly, you never lived thru the George Steinbrenner Era.
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Yah, sorry, but that's not CLEAR to me at all.
I did live through King George's reign and then some and I think I'll stand 100% behind what I said.
I'm certain he surprised his GM's in other ways on occasion, but I'm pretty sure they would have known in advance of his intention to dole out a long term contract - whether they liked the idea or not.

[GTAltman]

Originally Posted by Dave Stieb II

Yah, sorry, but that's not CLEAR to me at all.
I did live through King George's reign and then some and I think I'll stand 100% behind what I said.
I'm certain he surprised his GM's in other ways on occasion, but I'm pretty sure they would have known in advance of his intention to dole out a long term contract - whether they liked the idea or not.

Reggie Jackson...was one where he "took the bull by the horns".
Whether they knew or not didn't matter, GS did what he wanted, and it wouldn't have mattered if they knew or agreed before hand. George made it known he was in charge and they took it because they wanted the money.

Steve Kemp, Dave Collins. There were a bunch of FA's he went after that I'm sure his GM's and Managers either didn't want or had no say in.

[GTAltman]

Originally Posted by lencombs

I couldn't work for an owner like that. First time he locks down an aging vet on an expensive long term deal I'd be out.

I'll call BS

You'd walk away from a 1 of 32 jobs, and/or a $500,000+ pay check??

Come on now. Like every GM out there, in all sports, you'd suck it up just as I would.

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by GTAltman

I'll call BS

You'd walk away from a 1 of 32 jobs, and/or a $500,000+ pay check??

Come on now. Like every GM out there, in all sports, you'd suck it up just as I would.

Maybe they would
In OOTP
Maybe

[Hacksaw86]

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

Maybe they would
In OOTP
Maybe

For me, it will be fun to stick it out and see what happens. I have a feeling that after a few years I will want to pull my hair out. Luckily this time it was a young player that I would have wanted to extend anyway, so no hard done. It's interesting, his patience is also listed at 'Lenient' so it might be hard to get myself fired. Probably going to be stuck with him until he sells or dies.

[Dave Stieb II]

Originally Posted by GTAltman

Reggie Jackson...was one where he "took the bull by the horns".
Whether they knew or not didn't matter, GS did what he wanted, and it wouldn't have mattered if they knew or agreed before hand. George made it known he was in charge and they took it because they wanted the money.

Steve Kemp, Dave Collins. There were a bunch of FA's he went after that I'm sure his GM's and Managers either didn't want or had no say in.

Please re-read my original post before quoting me again. I am sure George's GM knew exactly what his intentions were (and), per my original post, "whether they like it or not". So go ahead, list every player the Yankees ever signed under King George. Just don't quote me as if it corrects anything I've posted.

[Hacksaw86]

Originally Posted by Dave Stieb II

Please re-read my original post before quoting me again. I am sure George's GM knew exactly what his intentions were (and), per my original post, "whether they like it or not". So go ahead, list every player the Yankees ever signed under King George. Just don't quote me as if it corrects anything I've posted.

I see what you are saying. In a perfectly realistic world, I would have gotten some sort of message or indication that my owner wanted to extend this player. Yeah, he would do what he wants anyway, but I would most likely have known what he was going to do beforehand...correct me if I am wrong about what you are saying.

With that being said, it really didn't take away too much realism when it happened. I just imagine that my measly opinion wasn't even worth him taking the time to let me know.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Personally, whenever that kind of thing has happened to me, I often immediately seek to trade the player in question as soon as possible, no matter who they are, and/or reduce the details of the supposed contract, if not eliminate them, in Commissioner Mode. I may be able to edit their histories, as well, to a degree, but I still can't evidently delete the transaction from the relevant log files, it seems, at such times, of course.

I take it often as if the owner in question is saying, "I really want you to trade them, and all," and generally act accordingly, as quickly as I can. Others may not, but I often do, if not always. CD out.

[Dave Stieb II]

Originally Posted by Hacksaw86

I see what you are saying. In a perfectly realistic world, I would have gotten some sort of message or indication that my owner wanted to extend this player. Yeah, he would do what he wants anyway, but I would most likely have known what he was going to do beforehand...correct me if I am wrong about what you are saying.

With that being said, it really didn't take away too much realism when it happened. I just imagine that my measly opinion wasn't even worth him taking the time to let me know.

Yup, that's the gist of what I'm saying.
Good Luck with this guy.
Please update how things are going at some point.
And keep your ootp resume handy.

[lencombs]

Originally Posted by GTAltman

I'll call BS

You'd walk away from a 1 of 32 jobs, and/or a $500,000+ pay check??

Come on now. Like every GM out there, in all sports, you'd suck it up just as I would.

I mean I'd walk out on him in OOTP, I'd stand on my head for him in real life for that money.

[GTAltman]

Yawn......

Originally Posted by Dave Stieb II

Please re-read my original post before quoting me again. I am sure George's GM knew exactly what his intentions were (and), per my original post, "whether they like it or not". So go ahead, list every player the Yankees ever signed under King George. Just don't quote me as if it corrects anything I've posted.

[GTAltman]

Originally Posted by lencombs

I mean I'd walk out on him in OOTP, I'd stand on my head for him in real life for that money.

Exactly.

[r0nster]

If you have a winning program going then I would simply ignore the GM but if you having issues with winning then you got a problem and Good luck ... winning cures all.

[tejdog1]

I have the BEST combination

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by tejdog1

I have the BEST combination

No, sorry. I do.




As you may have surmised, Mr. Morris has been "lobotomized" to be as neutral to results as possible. Neither a tyrant nor a mollycoddler. I don't want my game artificially influenced, with my efforts boosted or thwarted, by a random setting; for Owner Spending especially.

Now, since I have ultimate job security, why do I care? I could even set myself up as commissioner (which I avoid because I am afraid of doing such things as inadvertently forcing trades or hitting Clone/Retire/Delete (a player) instead of Transaction) to thereby override a penny-pincher's budget.

But I do want some reasonable limits and I do value the owner's goals - often good hints for improving my teams. An even playing field, if you will. I artificially create this environment.

Some people will cry "cheat" at this and others will relish the challenge of having a brute for an owner. I want to concentrate on my GM talents in fair competition, on the field and off.

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

my efforts boosted or thwarted, by a random setting;

Ahh
Imagine being able to remove randomness in real life