Difference in WAR calc

luckymann · 08-18-2020, 03:54 AM

I understand there are various arguments for the proper calculation of WAR, but I didn't realise how big a resultant difference is possible.

Seems strange seeing as OOTP uses BBRef IDs that they haven't adopted their version of WAR, no?

Reed · 08-18-2020, 07:42 AM

Based on my casual subjective observation, OOTP gives a very big WAR boost to SS/2B/CF. I have started placing less emphasis on WAR value.

I guess at the end of my current season I should go through and look at the WAR value of all the starting SS.

luckymann · 08-18-2020, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Reed

Based on my casual subjective observation, OOTP gives a very big WAR boost to SS/2B/CF. I have started placing less emphasis on WAR value.

I guess at the end of my current season I should go through and look at the WAR value of all the starting SS.

They've done the opposite here. This player is a 2B and his OOTP WAR is 20-odd points less than his BBREF one.

Matt Arnold · 08-18-2020, 09:58 AM

When we import historical players, we do not get full defensive stats that let us calculate war values from that. So our offensive numbers for the player over the time should be similar, but easy to imagine that he was 20+ war better than replacement level defensively over his career which we don't have information to calculate.

Marinersfan51 · 08-19-2020, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

When we import historical players, we do not get full defensive stats that let us calculate war values from that. So our offensive numbers for the player over the time should be similar, but easy to imagine that he was 20+ war better than replacement level defensively over his career which we don't have information to calculate.

That is completely understandable, but in this case, BBRef has attributed 13.9 WAR to offense (oWAR) and 7.3 to defense (dWAR).

I am more curious how the WAR calculation seems to be changing for prior years in game. I have seen retired players who played their whole careers in OOTP have their career WAR vary season to season, sometimes as much as 20 career WAR. It happens for both pitchers and hitters.

RonCo · 08-20-2020, 12:48 AM

It would be great if OOTP actually published the equations used for WAR.

08-18-2020, 03:54 AM	#1
luckymann Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 13,570	Difference in WAR calc I understand there are various arguments for the proper calculation of WAR, but I didn't realise how big a resultant difference is possible. Seems strange seeing as OOTP uses BBRef IDs that they haven't adopted their version of WAR, no? Attached Images

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Reed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 2,339	Based on my casual subjective observation, OOTP gives a very big WAR boost to SS/2B/CF. I have started placing less emphasis on WAR value. I guess at the end of my current season I should go through and look at the WAR value of all the starting SS. Last edited by Reed; 08-18-2020 at 07:52 AM.

08-18-2020, 09:58 AM	#4
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,860	When we import historical players, we do not get full defensive stats that let us calculate war values from that. So our offensive numbers for the player over the time should be similar, but easy to imagine that he was 20+ war better than replacement level defensively over his career which we don't have information to calculate.

08-20-2020, 12:48 AM	#6
RonCo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 10,391	It would be great if OOTP actually published the equations used for WAR.