Charlie Hough, TEX PEAK card

[DonMattingly]

121 Stuff? From which season is that derived exactly? His high was 7K per 9 innings in any season. 121??

His knuckleball is rated a 119? Higher than Phil Niekro's? Really?

Throws 95-97 MPH?

Wow.

He throws as hard as Nolan Ryan's PEAK card and has better stuff than PEAK Kershaw and Verlander.

Mkay.

[Lemandria]

Fan service.

[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by DonMattingly

121 Stuff? From which season is that derived exactly? His high was 7K per 9 innings in any season. 121??

His knuckleball is rated a 119? Higher than Phil Niekro's? Really?

Throws 95-97 MPH?

Wow.

He throws as hard as Nolan Ryan's PEAK card and has better stuff than PEAK Kershaw and Verlander.

Mkay.

Player cards are crazy this year especially Pitchers Cards. ERA's are unbelieveably high in the leagues I'm in. Pitchers are like 18-10 with 5.65 ERA (not me) Relief pitchers are the biggest joke

[Lukas Berger]

Obviously the velocity should've been lower, we missed that when proofing the cards, but all the ratings etc are just what the ratings algorithm spit out.

The card wasn't manually boosted at all. The algorithm really likes his work for some reason.

[Drezik]

Originally Posted by DonMattingly

121 Stuff? From which season is that derived exactly? His high was 7K per 9 innings in any season. 121??

His knuckleball is rated a 119? Higher than Phil Niekro's? Really?

Throws 95-97 MPH?

Wow.

He throws as hard as Nolan Ryan's PEAK card and has better stuff than PEAK Kershaw and Verlander.

Mkay.

Not disagreeing at all, or even know how the algorithm works...but what was the league average K9 that year?

Maybe that's why.

Side note - I dont understand why the PEAK Verlander card is so bad. Had him for a few seasons now, he get's absolutely shelled. Even in gold.

[Lukas Berger]

I would say the K rate is coming from 1973 when he put up 8.8 K/9, 5th in the league among guys with more than 50 ip.

[trman73]

Side note - I dont understand why the PEAK Verlander card is so bad. Had him for a few seasons now, he get's absolutely shelled. Even in gold.

I'm about to find out as there's a team in my Diamond division that has him this season. Looking at his stats last year in Gold, he went 25-1 with a 3.55 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, and 3.8 WAR in 203 IP. He gave up 23 HR, but this team has HR settings at .900 across the board in her/his home park.

[rudel.dietrich]

Power creep and how many easy SE cards are easily gotten have flooded the market with good batters.
The collections and tournament spam have jumped the shark this year and now it is pretty easy even for low level teams to have lineups of the insane.

It is pretty much a given that you need the SE Bagwell and that collection mission is still fairly easy and cheap.
No one besides OOTPD has access to global stats but I would guess that global ERA is higher than the last two versions.
And just look at the content drops every week. They hand out perfect and high diamond cards like little league participation trophy’s.
Have a good month once is your career? Here is a perfect card.
Get four hits in a game once? Enjoy your diamond card.

[DonMattingly]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

I would say the K rate is coming from 1973 when he put up 8.8 K/9, 5th in the league among guys with more than 50 ip.

That was with the Dodgers, and as a reliever. The card is called "TEXAS PEAK" and it has a starter's endurance.

I just think the PEAK algorithm produces some very odd results.

Hough didn't lead the league in K/9, even in 1973. Clayton Kershaw led the league in both total Ks and K/9 in 2015 (with 301 Ks).

Why would Hough have a higher Stuff rating than Kershaw?

Ditto for Verlander who led the league in K/9 and total Ks in 2009.

[Catchthedamnball]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Power creep and how many easy SE cards are easily gotten have flooded the market with good batters.
The collections and tournament spam have junked the shark this year and now it is pretty easy even for low level teams to have lineups of the insane.

It is pretty much a given that you need the SE Bagwell and that collection mission is still fairly easy and cheap.
No one besides OOTPD has access to global stats but I would guess that global ERA is higher than the last two versions.
And just look at the content drops every week. They hand out perfect and high diamond cards like little league participation trophy’s.
Have a good month once is your career? Here is a perfect card.
Get four hits in a game once? Enjoy your diamond card.

The new cards look nice and shiny but you have to look critically at their ratings. Sure, they seem juiced, but comparatively a lot of them aren't making a big difference even to any random F2Per that pulls them. Everything in this game mode is relative.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by DonMattingly

That was with the Dodgers, and as a reliever. The card is called "TEXAS PEAK" and it has a starter's endurance.

I just think the PEAK algorithm produces some very odd results.

Hough didn't lead the league in K/9, even in 1973. Clayton Kershaw led the league in both total Ks and K/9 in 2015 (with 301 Ks).

Why would Hough have a higher Stuff rating than Kershaw?

Ditto for Verlander who led the league in K/9 and total Ks in 2009.

I don't disagree the results are a bit odd at times. That being said, the Peak ratings come from their best seasons not their best seasons with a specific team or at a specific position. So that Hough is listed with Texas on the card doesn't affect anything, it's still using his stats from other teams too.

[One Great Matrix]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Obviously the velocity should've been lower, we missed that when proofing the cards, but all the ratings etc are just what the ratings algorithm spit out.

The card wasn't manually boosted at all. The algorithm really likes his work for some reason.

'Twas an algorithm preference, you see.

[daves]

There is only one Hough in my Diamond league. He seems to be an average starter for the team he is on with a .500 record and about a 4.60 ERA average. Surprisingly his BB/9 is only 3.7 with a Control rating of 73. I have pitchers with control ratings of 85 and above with BB/9 over 4.

Though he is doing reasonably decent against lefties this season, his ratings against lefties are not that impressive.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by daves

There is only one Hough in my Diamond league. He seems to be an average starter for the team he is on with a .500 record and about a 4.60 ERA average. Surprisingly his BB/9 is only 3.7 with a Control rating of 73. I have pitchers with control ratings of 85 and above with BB/9 over 4.

Though he is doing reasonably decent against lefties this season, his ratings against lefties are not that impressive.

He's much better as a reliever actually, since he gets a 25pt stuff boost, bigger than any pitcher I can remember seeing.

My Hough card has been RP of the year 4 times and an All-Star 4 times, all in diamond leagues.

You do want to keep him away from lefities though, as much as possible. That's for sure.

[DonMattingly]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

He's much better as a reliever actually, since he gets a 25pt stuff boost, bigger than any pitcher I can remember seeing.

My Hough card has been RP of the year 4 times and an All-Star 4 times, all in diamond leagues.

You do want to keep him away from lefities though, as much as possible. That's for sure.

He's "magical" for sure.

I mean how does it make any sense for his stuff rating as a SP to be based on his work as a RP, and then to get boosted by 25 points if you make him a RP?

The "Magic" of the PEAK algorithm at work there.

[One Great Matrix]

As long as there's more beer on the way, pretty much.

[DotDash]

Regardless of his ratings, he's pretty much a pitcher who should be steered away from at the higher levels. A few weeks ago, I compiled 'career' stats for SP's rated 97-100 at the Diamond level, and he was ranked 54th out of the 55 pitchers I found with a 4.99 ERA and 5.11 FIP (recalculated using a cFIP of 3.197) over 2170 IP.
There used to be talk of knuckleballers without a fastball being 'special' in some way and outperforming their ratings, but I don't see much evidence of that.

[One Great Matrix]

Originally Posted by DotDash

Regardless of his ratings, he's pretty much a pitcher who should be steered away from at the higher levels. A few weeks ago, I compiled 'career' stats for SP's rated 97-100 at the Diamond level, and he was ranked 54th out of the 55 pitchers I found with a 4.99 ERA and 5.11 FIP (recalculated using a cFIP of 3.197) over 2170 IP.
There used to be talk of knuckleballers without a fastball being 'special' in some way and outperforming their ratings, but I don't see much evidence of that.

Yeah, maybe. 54th overall ain't too shabby with all the cards in the game, though. The worst of the best, but depends why you enjoy the game.

[DotDash]

Originally Posted by One Great Matrix

Yeah, maybe. 54th overall ain't too shabby with all the cards in the game, though. The worst of the best, but depends why you enjoy the game.

Oh I get where you're coming from - I have a 99 Hough myself, and he's doing quite well as a reliever in Gold (first season in that role, and I don't know how this will translate in Diamond.) I just wanted to illustrate that despite the inflated stuff rating, the end result is a card which maybe correlates with Charlie Hough's IRL stature quite well: 216 wins, 216 losses, one time All Star in 25 seasons - sounds like someone who might struggle a bit in the nightmare environment called PT Diamond level

Now whether the card's overall rating of 99 is justified is maybe more contentious, and something that might lead a newer player to expect more performance than they will actually get from this card...

[One Great Matrix]

Yeah. He's on one of my teams as well...I suppose some lower than 97s could be a bit consistently better than him, too. Don't even really know exactly what that OVR number means. The 100s that aren't live at least, seem to be consistently near the best, though. Kind of like to have one knuckleballer. Plus Perfect Team would probably be a lot more enjoyable for all of us if it were taken ...I don't exactly use the word lighter. Enjoyable. I mean, first you want to play, then you want to win.