PEAK - Nolan Ryan

Drezik · 05-13-2020, 12:00 PM

Just doing some venting....but has anyone had success with him as a starter?

He's been getting shelled at Diamond Level, every card I see on other teams seems to be the same story.

Is he destined for the pen?

Stats for mine below, I've been using him as a 4th/5th starter.

KleineBiere · 05-13-2020, 12:27 PM

steamrollers · 05-13-2020, 02:05 PM

The same discussion was common in PT20 regarding Nolan Ryan. It seemed a vast majority of people hated him because of the control issues. However, he was outstanding for me in perfect typically having dominating seasons every year. I haven't used him nor can I afford him at this stage in 21 but it seems like it mirrors how it went in 20 for most.

X3NEIZE · 05-14-2020, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Drezik

Just doing some venting....but has anyone had success with him as a starter?

He's been getting shelled at Diamond Level, every card I see on other teams seems to be the same story.

Is he destined for the pen?

Stats for mine below, I've been using him as a 4th/5th starter.

His control sucks... Guys like Pedro and Paige are getting destroyed.... Nolan is destine for Gold bullpens...

Truth is, pitching needs to be tweaked, the hitting in diamond is exponentially better than the pitching.

Boomcoach · 05-14-2020, 03:19 PM

Realistically, during his career, Nolan was not a dominant pitcher. His win % was normally about the same as his team as a whole. When he was on, he was amazing and his strikeouts and no-hitters were unsurpassed, but I never really felt, on the whole, that he improved his team all that much.

Drivehud.com · 05-14-2020, 05:08 PM

At diamond level, just about every pitcher is getting shelled. lol

But yeah... batters at these levels have better eyes and will walk more, so control is important.

HemBear · 05-14-2020, 05:32 PM

Have my defense stacked and all my perfect starters are getting shelled. Offense is too good at diamond.

X3NEIZE · 05-14-2020, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomcoach

Realistically, during his career, Nolan was not a dominant pitcher. His win % was normally about the same as his team as a whole. When he was on, he was amazing and his strikeouts and no-hitters were unsurpassed, but I never really felt, on the whole, that he improved his team all that much.

That and he wasn't facing every PEAK Player in history....

Lemandria · 05-15-2020, 10:02 AM

Remember how virulently Aroldis was disliked at the apex in XX?

Pop back in and check his sale price, if you've forgotten.

Drivehud.com · 05-15-2020, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by X3NEIZE

That and he wasn't facing every PEAK Player in history....

Exactly. You should expect them to get shelled. Under 5 ERA is a god at diamond level.

daves · 05-16-2020, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomcoach

Realistically, during his career, Nolan was not a dominant pitcher. His win % was normally about the same as his team as a whole. When he was on, he was amazing and his strikeouts and no-hitters were unsurpassed, but I never really felt, on the whole, that he improved his team all that much.

He filled the stadiums.

spacer15415 · 05-16-2020, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomcoach

Realistically, during his career, Nolan was not a dominant pitcher. His win % was normally about the same as his team as a whole. When he was on, he was amazing and his strikeouts and no-hitters were unsurpassed, but I never really felt, on the whole, that he improved his team all that much.

Nolan Ryan didn't improve his team much? My god you have huge standards.

justpatrick · 05-17-2020, 12:26 PM

When Ryan signed with the Astros after the 1979 season, in which the Angels won a division title and Ryan finished 16-14, I think it was Buzzie Bavasi who said that to replace Ryan all he needed to do was find two 8-7 pitchers.
The following season the Angels lost 95 games, proving 8-7 pitchers are hard to come by.

spacer15415 · 05-17-2020, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by justpatrick

When Ryan signed with the Astros after the 1979 season, in which the Angels won a division title and Ryan finished 16-14, I think it was Buzzie Bavasi who said that to replace Ryan all he needed to do was find two 8-7 pitchers.
The following season the Angels lost 95 games, proving 8-7 pitchers are hard to come by.

Well, if Buzzie Bavasi said it then it has to be true.

justpatrick · 05-18-2020, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by spacer15415

Well, if Buzzie Bavasi said it then it has to be true.

Boomcoach · 05-18-2020, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by spacer15415

Nolan Ryan didn't improve his team much? My god you have huge standards.

I remember pulling the numbers at one point, when a friend and I were discussing Ryan and Tom Seaver.

I know that wins are an iffy comparison, but that was the first stat we looked at and Nolan's win percentage usually mirrored the teams while Tom's would be a couple hundred points over it.

When Nolan was "ON" he was amazing. I remember listening to Reds games and realizing that yeah, the Reds had left 7 on base in 3 innings, but they were all on walks and we hadn't hit a ball during those three innings. Unless he walked 4, we weren't going to score. The problem was, he wasn't consistently "ON".

He was going to give you 300 innings, wasn't going to get hurt and was going to give you memorable moments. However, if you were a .500 team, he was going to be a .480-.520 pitcher, if you were a .400 team, he was going to be .380-.420.

His longevity and his strikeouts were stupendous, his effectiveness, IMO, was not.

jeffw3000 · 05-18-2020, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by justpatrick

When Ryan signed with the Astros after the 1979 season, in which the Angels won a division title and Ryan finished 16-14, I think it was Buzzie Bavasi who said that to replace Ryan all he needed to do was find two 8-7 pitchers.
The following season the Angels lost 95 games, proving 8-7 pitchers are hard to come by.

While I do not necessarily think it was that easy to replace Nolan Ryan, I have to agree, he was not the dominating pitcher that you see in someone like Kershaw, Gibson, or Koufax. He did have issues at times, granted because of the walks, but the walks were a huge issue the first 10 years or so of his career. Around the time he went to Houston, he started to bring the walks down a little, and made himself into a much better pitcher. He wasn't Greg Maddux, but at least he brought his walks down to less than 1 every 2 innings.

USF · 05-19-2020, 06:51 AM

Ryan was the first player I wanted in PT regardless of his ratings. I wanted every Ryan card.

05-13-2020, 12:00 PM	#1
Drezik Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2019 Posts: 104	PEAK - Nolan Ryan Just doing some venting....but has anyone had success with him as a starter? He's been getting shelled at Diamond Level, every card I see on other teams seems to be the same story. Is he destined for the pen? Stats for mine below, I've been using him as a 4th/5th starter. Attached Images __________________

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Boomcoach All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 846	Realistically, during his career, Nolan was not a dominant pitcher. His win % was normally about the same as his team as a whole. When he was on, he was amazing and his strikeouts and no-hitters were unsurpassed, but I never really felt, on the whole, that he improved his team all that much. __________________

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Drivehud.com Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 252	At diamond level, just about every pitcher is getting shelled. lol But yeah... batters at these levels have better eyes and will walk more, so control is important. __________________

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HemBear Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 131	Have my defense stacked and all my perfect starters are getting shelled. Offense is too good at diamond. __________________

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Lemandria All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 702	Remember how virulently Aroldis was disliked at the apex in XX? Pop back in and check his sale price, if you've forgotten. __________________ FOTF victim Farewell

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steamrollers Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 95	The same discussion was common in PT20 regarding Nolan Ryan. It seemed a vast majority of people hated him because of the control issues. However, he was outstanding for me in perfect typically having dominating seasons every year. I haven't used him nor can I afford him at this stage in 21 but it seems like it mirrors how it went in 20 for most.

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justpatrick Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 305	When Ryan signed with the Astros after the 1979 season, in which the Angels won a division title and Ryan finished 16-14, I think it was Buzzie Bavasi who said that to replace Ryan all he needed to do was find two 8-7 pitchers. The following season the Angels lost 95 games, proving 8-7 pitchers are hard to come by. __________________

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USF All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Maple, ON - Canada Posts: 1,080	Ryan was the first player I wanted in PT regardless of his ratings. I wanted every Ryan card. __________________ Commissioner of the ABL http://www.usfleagues.net/website/