Hitting/pitching coaches

[thklein]

I know there has been a lot of discussion of this, but I don't think I've ever seen a definitive answer to this question. Are there differences between hitting/pitching coaches other than focus? The only differences we can see are their focus and their reputation (which is only a reflection of experience and results). Are there differences under the hood that make, for example, one pitching coach with a focus on power pitching better than another pitching coach with a focus on power pitching.

Before this season I hired a new pitching coach with a focus on power pitching. My top three starters are all power pitchers. All three of them have gotten markedly worse. Oddly, my other two starters, who are groundballers, are having nice seasons. Does my pitching coach just suck at his job? Was here a way for me to know this?

I'd like to see this aspect of the game enhanced for OOTP 22. Instead of just saying he focuses on power/groundballers/finesse, give him a rating for each like there is for trainers. He's great at improving power, good at improving groundball, poor at improving finesse.

[AJFO]

Originally Posted by thklein

I know there has been a lot of discussion of this, but I don't think I've ever seen a definitive answer to this question. Are there differences between hitting/pitching coaches other than focus? The only differences we can see are their focus and their reputation (which is only a reflection of experience and results). Are there differences under the hood that make, for example, one pitching coach with a focus on power pitching better than another pitching coach with a focus on power pitching.

Before this season I hired a new pitching coach with a focus on power pitching. My top three starters are all power pitchers. All three of them have gotten markedly worse. Oddly, my other two starters, who are groundballers, are having nice seasons. Does my pitching coach just suck at his job? Was here a way for me to know this?

I'd like to see this aspect of the game enhanced for OOTP 22. Instead of just saying he focuses on power/groundballers/finesse, give him a rating for each like there is for trainers. He's great at improving power, good at improving groundball, poor at improving finesse.

Completely agree that coaching requires some sort of overhaul. That said, in addressing your question, I'm unsure you could have foreseen your targeted power pitchers regressing under a "power pitcher" focus coach.
This might also have something to do with your manager and whether or not the manager is listed as having a "higher development influence" on specific players (namely your groundballers).

As for pitching coach, I've always wondered whether or not the "Handle Rookies/Veterans/Players" comes into play regarding how effective the pitching rating of a given coach ultimately is.

Lot in play here and definitely would need some of the devs to chime in.

[Anyone]

Originally Posted by thklein

I know there has been a lot of discussion of this, but I don't think I've ever seen a definitive answer to this question. Are there differences between hitting/pitching coaches other than focus? The only differences we can see are their focus and their reputation (which is only a reflection of experience and results). Are there differences under the hood that make, for example, one pitching coach with a focus on power pitching better than another pitching coach with a focus on power pitching.

Before this season I hired a new pitching coach with a focus on power pitching. My top three starters are all power pitchers. All three of them have gotten markedly worse. Oddly, my other two starters, who are groundballers, are having nice seasons. Does my pitching coach just suck at his job? Was here a way for me to know this?

I'd like to see this aspect of the game enhanced for OOTP 22. Instead of just saying he focuses on power/groundballers/finesse, give him a rating for each like there is for trainers. He's great at improving power, good at improving groundball, poor at improving finesse.

We should be able to see approximate ratings without commish mode. Their way of giving us nothing forces me to go to commish mode and "cheat" to look at ratings. A hitting coach's key rating is "teach hitting," a pitching coach's "teach piching." Also, handle rookies/handle players/handle veterans almost certainly has an effect on the coach's ability to improve (or prevent decline of) players in each category.

I will say that as it stands, and seeing what ratings are in commish mode, using a pictching coach as the example, it simply with power/finesse/groundball has one area the coach specializes in and will do better with that type of pitcher. I've seen posted that if power pitching is the tendency, the coach both does better with power pitchers than other types and improves K rate (for all pitchers) more than he improves other aspects.

There is no "great with power, decent with groundball, poor with finesse." If he's power pitching oriented, I don't know how much better he is with power pitching, but finesse and groundball will be equal to each other.

Your pitching coach that specialized in power pitchers and your power pitchers got worse, if it wasn't something external (old players will often get worse even with a fantastic coach for them, and TCR can just cause it by luck) then he probably has lousy ratings-- that you can get no idea of without going into commish mode.

There should be general categories like trainers have to let you pick out good coaches, but they intentionally give no info, which I think is a very bad mistake.

[thklein]

Originally Posted by Anyone

We should be able to see approximate ratings without commish mode. Their way of giving us nothing forces me to go to commish mode and "cheat" to look at ratings. A hitting coach's key rating is "teach hitting," a pitching coach's "teach piching." Also, handle rookies/handle players/handle veterans almost certainly has an effect on the coach's ability to improve (or prevent decline of) players in each category.

I will say that as it stands, and seeing what ratings are in commish mode, using a pictching coach as the example, it simply with power/finesse/groundball has one area the coach specializes in and will do better with that type of pitcher. I've seen posted that if power pitching is the tendency, the coach both does better with power pitchers than other types and improves K rate (for all pitchers) more than he improves other aspects.

There is no "great with power, decent with groundball, poor with finesse." If he's power pitching oriented, I don't know how much better he is with power pitching, but finesse and groundball will be equal to each other.

Your pitching coach that specialized in power pitchers and your power pitchers got worse, if it wasn't something external (old players will often get worse even with a fantastic coach for them, and TCR can just cause it by luck) then he probably has lousy ratings-- that you can get no idea of without going into commish mode.

There should be general categories like trainers have to let you pick out good coaches, but they intentionally give no info, which I think is a very bad mistake.

Thank you. It never occurred to me to go into Commissioner Mode. I just did, and my pitching coach's "teach pitching" rate seems fine (142). But "teach pitching" suggests it impacts development, not necessarily current performance. The pitchers in question are all in their late 20's or early 30's, so you wouldn't expect a steep decline. Might just be randomness.

[AJFO]

Originally Posted by Anyone

We should be able to see approximate ratings without commish mode. Their way of giving us nothing forces me to go to commish mode and "cheat" to look at ratings. A hitting coach's key rating is "teach hitting," a pitching coach's "teach piching." Also, handle rookies/handle players/handle veterans almost certainly has an effect on the coach's ability to improve (or prevent decline of) players in each category.

I will say that as it stands, and seeing what ratings are in commish mode, using a pictching coach as the example, it simply with power/finesse/groundball has one area the coach specializes in and will do better with that type of pitcher. I've seen posted that if power pitching is the tendency, the coach both does better with power pitchers than other types and improves K rate (for all pitchers) more than he improves other aspects.

There is no "great with power, decent with groundball, poor with finesse." If he's power pitching oriented, I don't know how much better he is with power pitching, but finesse and groundball will be equal to each other.

Your pitching coach that specialized in power pitchers and your power pitchers got worse, if it wasn't something external (old players will often get worse even with a fantastic coach for them, and TCR can just cause it by luck) then he probably has lousy ratings-- that you can get no idea of without going into commish mode.

There should be general categories like trainers have to let you pick out good coaches, but they intentionally give no info, which I think is a very bad mistake.

Bingo, remind me what was improved on with regards to coaching again for this iteration as I did originally get all excited about it.

Nonetheless, the foundation is there. Makes you wonder how easy/difficult it would be to code for an assistant GM being uncertain in evaluating coaching hires based on, as you stated, observable ratings of "development facets".