Will he win 30?

David Watts · 04-27-2020, 10:58 AM

I have around 20 games left to play to close out the 1908 season. Orval Overall currently has 28 wins. Have to figure he has at least 3 chances if not 4 to reach 30 wins for the season. I don't think I've ever played out a season in which a pitcher notched 30 wins. When I set the league up, OOTP has the game set to 4 man rotations for 1908, strict. I changed this to 5 man rotations, always start the highest rested.

Trying something different with this league. I've turned injuries completely off and have position player fatigue set to Very High. I'm using 1 year recalc. I'm interested to see how this effects players career numbers, especially in regards to milestones like Ty Cobbs quest for 4000 hits.

Reed · 04-27-2020, 11:36 AM

I think your career totals will be similar to using 3 year or 5 year recalc.. The main difference will be in more single season extremes, such as more .400 seasons, 50 HR seasons etc.. At least that was my experience and why I changed from 1 year to 3 year recalc.
It would be interesting to see if your experience is the same as mine.

David Watts · 04-27-2020, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Reed

I think your career totals will be similar to using 3 year or 5 year recalc.. The main difference will be in more single season extremes, such as more .400 seasons, 50 HR seasons etc.. At least that was my experience and why I changed from 1 year to 3 year recalc.
It would be interesting to see if your experience is the same as mine.

I personally prefer 1 year recalc to 3 or 5 year, but I've always used injuries in my leagues. This time around I have injuries disabled and fatigues set to very high I'm interested to see how this effects players career totals. Over a 20+ year career, will Cobb get way more at bats because injuries are disabled? I want to see if 1 year recalc and very high fatigue can take the place of injuries and make a player's OOTP grand totals come out very similar to real life. I've always wondered if players in a recalc league face a double whammy in regards to recalc and injuries, especially seeing that I use a combo of recalc and player development. I also don't use the miss seasons/retire according to history options.

David Watts · 04-28-2020, 08:23 AM

Orvall finished up the season with exactly 30 wins. In his last game pitched he went 10 innings, but the game went 15. He now waits to see if his Cubs will face Washington or Cleveland in the World Series.

Reed · 04-28-2020, 01:41 PM

I am almost doing the the opposite of you. I changed from high fatigue to average with my new league. I usually play with injuries off but now have them set for low. I also went into the injury file and set them all to 15 days of shorter, no cei. Started in 1901 and currently in 1908.
For.this legue, I set it up like baseball SHOULD have been IMO. 2 leagues, 8 teams each. Interleague play, 4 games against opposite league teams and 10 games against in league teams. All Star game after 100 regular season games. At seasons end, the 2nd and 3rd place team play a 5 game series with winner advancing to play league leader to see who advances to World Series. This way keeps the pennant race more interesting to see who makes the playoffs, who gets home field advantage, and who gets 1st round bye.

italyprof · 04-29-2020, 06:01 AM

I like high fatigue because it both gets bench players into the game and because it is more of a challenge in drafting a well-rounded team of 25 and not just 8 stars and 4 great starters. I hate dealing with injuries, but who doesn't. But I keep injuries on low. I usually use 3-year recalc.

Which leads me to a question for David Watts: are you using your new system of creating a fictional league, getting rid of the free agents fictional players and then having a big draft of real historical ones to fill the league? Because I am playing that way now and love it, but there is no option for recalc and how many years. It seems to work on a default and I don't really know where the ratings are coming from sometimes, though they are rarely way off from what I think of the player - some overrated, some under, but nothing atrocious. But have you found where you can determine recalc in a fictional league with historical players? Or are you back to playing historical leagues as before?

David Watts · 04-29-2020, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by italyprof

I like high fatigue because it both gets bench players into the game and because it is more of a challenge in drafting a well-rounded team of 25 and not just 8 stars and 4 great starters. I hate dealing with injuries, but who doesn't. But I keep injuries on low. I usually use 3-year recalc.

Which leads me to a question for David Watts: are you using your new system of creating a fictional league, getting rid of the free agents fictional players and then having a big draft of real historical ones to fill the league? Because I am playing that way now and love it, but there is no option for recalc and how many years. It seems to work on a default and I don't really know where the ratings are coming from sometimes, though they are rarely way off from what I think of the player - some overrated, some under, but nothing atrocious. But have you found where you can determine recalc in a fictional league with historical players? Or are you back to playing historical leagues as before?

No, I'm not playing that way. Yeah, to OP in that thread was trying to figure out a way to play random debut in a 100% fictional manner and I was just spitballing trying to figure out a way to do it. That method has zero ties to historical play, so recalc will not be an option. You will be playing 100% fictional. I suspect players will perform for the most part like they did in real life, but I also suspect there will be tons of surprises. It would be interesting to see how the game deals with guys like Curt Schilling, Nolan Ryan and Pedro Martinez. Will they come in as relief pitchers and remain so, or will they become starters. What about Mr. Ruth?

David Watts · 04-29-2020, 09:28 AM

Well the Cubs didn't mess around winning the 1908 World Series in 5 games. The Washington Senators never really got things going as Orval Overall and Three Fingers Brown stymied Washington hitters from the get go. Walter Johnson was lights out on the mound for the Senators during the series, but left the mound scratching his head each time.

Interesting "how the OOTP game turns" tidbit. I'm starting the 1909 season this morning and one of the first games I played involved the Philadelphia Athletics. Shoeless Joe once again remains a member of the A's reserve roster. I'm starting to wonder, If it will be 1911 before he hits the starting lineup. This to me is pretty darn cool and it also feeds into what I was talking about earlier in regards to injuries and 1 year recalc. Pretty cool.

Buster Cherry · 05-01-2020, 09:07 PM

Speaking of Orval Overall, I signed him as a free agent the year I was GM of the 1911 Phillies and I think he won 16 games or thereabouts for me. Not to shabby for someone who was supposed to be washed up. I'm sure he had a good influence on rookie Grover Alexander too.

04-27-2020, 10:58 AM	#1
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,617 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Will he win 30? I have around 20 games left to play to close out the 1908 season. Orval Overall currently has 28 wins. Have to figure he has at least 3 chances if not 4 to reach 30 wins for the season. I don't think I've ever played out a season in which a pitcher notched 30 wins. When I set the league up, OOTP has the game set to 4 man rotations for 1908, strict. I changed this to 5 man rotations, always start the highest rested. Trying something different with this league. I've turned injuries completely off and have position player fatigue set to Very High. I'm using 1 year recalc. I'm interested to see how this effects players career numbers, especially in regards to milestones like Ty Cobbs quest for 4000 hits.

04-28-2020, 08:23 AM	#4
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,617 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Orvall finished up the season with exactly 30 wins. In his last game pitched he went 10 innings, but the game went 15. He now waits to see if his Cubs will face Washington or Cleveland in the World Series. Last edited by David Watts; 04-28-2020 at 08:50 AM.

04-27-2020, 11:36 AM	#2
Reed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 2,339	I think your career totals will be similar to using 3 year or 5 year recalc.. The main difference will be in more single season extremes, such as more .400 seasons, 50 HR seasons etc.. At least that was my experience and why I changed from 1 year to 3 year recalc. It would be interesting to see if your experience is the same as mine.

04-28-2020, 01:41 PM	#5
Reed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 2,339	I am almost doing the the opposite of you. I changed from high fatigue to average with my new league. I usually play with injuries off but now have them set for low. I also went into the injury file and set them all to 15 days of shorter, no cei. Started in 1901 and currently in 1908. For.this legue, I set it up like baseball SHOULD have been IMO. 2 leagues, 8 teams each. Interleague play, 4 games against opposite league teams and 10 games against in league teams. All Star game after 100 regular season games. At seasons end, the 2nd and 3rd place team play a 5 game series with winner advancing to play league leader to see who advances to World Series. This way keeps the pennant race more interesting to see who makes the playoffs, who gets home field advantage, and who gets 1st round bye.

04-29-2020, 06:01 AM	#6
italyprof All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,024	I like high fatigue because it both gets bench players into the game and because it is more of a challenge in drafting a well-rounded team of 25 and not just 8 stars and 4 great starters. I hate dealing with injuries, but who doesn't. But I keep injuries on low. I usually use 3-year recalc. Which leads me to a question for David Watts: are you using your new system of creating a fictional league, getting rid of the free agents fictional players and then having a big draft of real historical ones to fill the league? Because I am playing that way now and love it, but there is no option for recalc and how many years. It seems to work on a default and I don't really know where the ratings are coming from sometimes, though they are rarely way off from what I think of the player - some overrated, some under, but nothing atrocious. But have you found where you can determine recalc in a fictional league with historical players? Or are you back to playing historical leagues as before?

04-29-2020, 09:28 AM	#8
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,617 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Well the Cubs didn't mess around winning the 1908 World Series in 5 games. The Washington Senators never really got things going as Orval Overall and Three Fingers Brown stymied Washington hitters from the get go. Walter Johnson was lights out on the mound for the Senators during the series, but left the mound scratching his head each time. Interesting "how the OOTP game turns" tidbit. I'm starting the 1909 season this morning and one of the first games I played involved the Philadelphia Athletics. Shoeless Joe once again remains a member of the A's reserve roster. I'm starting to wonder, If it will be 1911 before he hits the starting lineup. This to me is pretty darn cool and it also feeds into what I was talking about earlier in regards to injuries and 1 year recalc. Pretty cool.

05-01-2020, 09:07 PM	#9
Buster Cherry Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2019 Location: Southwest Virginia Posts: 297	Speaking of Orval Overall, I signed him as a free agent the year I was GM of the 1911 Phillies and I think he won 16 games or thereabouts for me. Not to shabby for someone who was supposed to be washed up. I'm sure he had a good influence on rookie Grover Alexander too.