Is this a stupid idea to do? 2 rookie league teams in the same league

[batrightythrowlefty]

Hey guys, I thought of this idea, it might be stupid, but maybe it could fix my issues.

I currently have 2 rookie leagues in my fictional league, as the one rookie league was pilling up with 40+ players,and I wanted everyone to get enough playing time.

Right now I have 2 24 team rookie leagues, with each organization getting 2 teams.

The mistake with the lowest rookie league, is that they do not have enough pitchers to fill out a full bullpen (the bottom rookie league team will have say 8 pitchers with the top team having 22.) The majority of the pitchers are in the higher rookie league, or the second one.

Would it be stupid to add 48 teams into 1 rookie league, thus evenly spreading out all the pitchers?


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[Mat]

Sounds like you would be better off reducing to one rookie team, then they can just have the better quality players and there would be no shortage?

[NoOne]

you shouldn't think of 40 players at your lowest level as piling up.

you likley need more rounds with a 2nd rookie league or adding doubles/triple teams to any 1 organization. (although, if you only do this to your team or possibly 2-3-ish, you don't have to change anything like this as the numbers should work out fine still.)

40 players on a rookie league team is a solid number.

even if you have multiple rookie leages, the 'lowest', as however it is determined internally, will always pool the extra players. even then, you want 35-40 on your 'lowest' rookie league.

if you have any custome rules re-assess those too.. .do not create bottlenecks just to even out the numbers.

you can do some subtle things to 'push' players up or cause them to be released. e.g. a 3 or 4 year limit in rookie league, or maybe age based -- i'd recommend not being too strict on either or you cause more problems than you solve.

but an age limit of ~23 is surely safe, maybe coinciding with a 3 year limit. that way the 18 year olds have time, and the college kids get at least 1 year there, if they are of the lower rated type.

this may push some players up the ladder or cause them to be released if they look hopeless -- or, if oyu don't delegate that, you make those choices.

the only way you'll get exactly what you want to see in the minors in this regard is to micromanage it yourself.


one other note about 40 at lowest level -- you need that many. often times 12 are 1b or some other redundancy.... most "SP" from a draft are not SP and never can be SP. they have 2 pitches or 0/200 move or control.. take a pick (throw in low stamina, but even some lower stam guys can make it and succeed at ml-level).

[Curve Ball Dave]

My universe has two rookie leagues. I have the standard AZL and GCL leagues which are the lowest level (no Dominican league). I added the Mid Plaines League which has teams based in Nebraska, Missouri, and Kansas. I call this Rookie Plus (R+). The player creation modifiers are halfway in between Rookie and SSA. Both Rookie leagues have 25 man rosters. All teams have a team in either the AZL or GCL, and a team in the MPL. The extra Rookie league has worked out very well as it allows for an extra year of pro service time and an extra year of age compared to the AZL and GCL levels. The SSA teams are no longer filled with players who by all rights should still be in Rookie ball but had to be promoted to make way for the next draft class or be (very reluctantly) released.

[batrightythrowlefty]

Originally Posted by NoOne

you shouldn't think of 40 players at your lowest level as piling up.

you likley need more rounds with a 2nd rookie league or adding doubles/triple teams to any 1 organization. (although, if you only do this to your team or possibly 2-3-ish, you don't have to change anything like this as the numbers should work out fine still.)

40 players on a rookie league team is a solid number.

even if you have multiple rookie leages, the 'lowest', as however it is determined internally, will always pool the extra players. even then, you want 35-40 on your 'lowest' rookie league.

if you have any custome rules re-assess those too.. .do not create bottlenecks just to even out the numbers.

you can do some subtle things to 'push' players up or cause them to be released. e.g. a 3 or 4 year limit in rookie league, or maybe age based -- i'd recommend not being too strict on either or you cause more problems than you solve.

but an age limit of ~23 is surely safe, maybe coinciding with a 3 year limit. that way the 18 year olds have time, and the college kids get at least 1 year there, if they are of the lower rated type.

this may push some players up the ladder or cause them to be released if they look hopeless -- or, if oyu don't delegate that, you make those choices.

the only way you'll get exactly what you want to see in the minors in this regard is to micromanage it yourself.


one other note about 40 at lowest level -- you need that many. often times 12 are 1b or some other redundancy.... most "SP" from a draft are not SP and never can be SP. they have 2 pitches or 0/200 move or control.. take a pick (throw in low stamina, but even some lower stam guys can make it and succeed at ml-level).

Ok, It is more like 45-50 players if there was on rookie league team. Is this number fine, or is it too much? I have 6 minor league teams and 25 rounds, which is creating shortages. However, the talent level is fine, and I do not want to add 5 more rounds.

Ideally, isn't this roster size too big for all players to get playing time? Wouldn't two minor league teams be a better option?

[batrightythrowlefty]

Originally Posted by Curve Ball Dave

My universe has two rookie leagues. I have the standard AZL and GCL leagues which are the lowest level (no Dominican league). I added the Mid Plaines League which has teams based in Nebraska, Missouri, and Kansas. I call this Rookie Plus (R+). The player creation modifiers are halfway in between Rookie and SSA. Both Rookie leagues have 25 man rosters. All teams have a team in either the AZL or GCL, and a team in the MPL. The extra Rookie league has worked out very well as it allows for an extra year of pro service time and an extra year of age compared to the AZL and GCL levels. The SSA teams are no longer filled with players who by all rights should still be in Rookie ball but had to be promoted to make way for the next draft class or be (very reluctantly) released.

What is your full minor league setup/# of drafts? my game might be too small for something like this to workout. That was the goal, but was not happening.

[batrightythrowlefty]

Originally Posted by Mat

Sounds like you would be better off reducing to one rookie team, then they can just have the better quality players and there would be no shortage?

The idea is for everyone to get playing time.

[Curve Ball Dave]

Originally Posted by batrightythrowlefty

What is your full minor league setup/# of drafts? my game might be too small for something like this to workout. That was the goal, but was not happening.

I have all minor league levels. All teams have two Rookie teams, half have two SSA teams. GCL and AZL have 25 man roster limits so my draft is 25 rounds with players for 26 rounds created. With effectively up to 50 guys in Rookie ball, that's plenty to feed the higher levels.

[batrightythrowlefty]

Originally Posted by Curve Ball Dave

I have all minor league levels. All teams have two Rookie teams, half have two SSA teams. GCL and AZL have 25 man roster limits so my draft is 25 rounds with players for 26 rounds created. With effectively up to 50 guys in Rookie ball, that's plenty to feed the higher levels.

I have about 30 and 25 on each rookie ball teams. Should I just make big rookie ball team then, in that case?


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[Curve Ball Dave]

Originally Posted by batrightythrowlefty

I have about 30 and 25 on each rookie ball teams. Should I just make big rookie ball team then, in that case?

Keep two teams so guys can get playing time.

[batrightythrowlefty]

Originally Posted by Curve Ball Dave

Keep two teams so guys can get playing time.

But the AI doesn’t know how to even out the teams, and there isn’t always enough pitchers. One team will have 15 pitchers the other 3.


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[Curve Ball Dave]

Originally Posted by batrightythrowlefty

But the AI doesn’t know how to even out the teams, and there isn’t always enough pitchers. One team will have 15 pitchers the other 3.

That's the AI's problem, just worry about your organization. It happens sometimes in my universe, too. I don't lose sleep over it.