Its official, Ill never have a great, let alone perfect, team

Neezer · 06-20-2019, 04:49 PM

The only way to have a great or Perfect team is you have to dump huge amounts of real money. I was hopeful that missions would offer some kind of solution where you could collect (grind) your way to getting the highest performing cards. I did spend some money for PP since launch and kept pretty much every card. And when missions went live I could only complete 8 and all were in lowest tier. I have more than 1000 cards.

So there are great cards as missions rewards which could make my team significantly better, Walsh, Griffey, Appling. But Ill never get them as the same problem applies. You need rare, great cards to to get them. Or then you need to spend big $ to get PP to buy them off AH, or buy many many packs and hope I get lucky to get all the cards needed to complete these missions. Neither method is attractive.

I get its a choice. But I dont understand why anyone would spend $500-5000+ on a game!!! I can have the same experience from PT by playing in Fantasy Baseball leagues, many of which are free and you can build as many teams as you want.

I know Tournaments are still pending, but I just know its going to be the same deal. The best reward cards will come from tournaments where youll need an already near Perfect team to win it to get the cards. The rewards for lesser tournaments will do nothing toward making your team significantly better and able to compete with the best teams.

OMGPuppies · 06-20-2019, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Neezer

The only way to have a great or Perfect team is you have to dump huge amounts of real money. I was hopeful that missions would offer some kind of solution where you could collect (grind) your way to getting the highest performing cards. I did spend some money for PP since launch and kept pretty much every card. And when missions went live I could only complete 8 and all were in lowest tier. I have more than 1000 cards.

So there are great cards as missions rewards which could make my team significantly better, Walsh, Griffey, Appling. But Ill never get them as the same problem applies. You need rare, great cards to to get them. Or then you need to spend big $ to get PP to buy them off AH, or buy many many packs and hope I get lucky to get all the cards needed to complete these missions. Neither method is attractive.

I get its a choice. But I dont understand why anyone would spend $500-5000+ on a game!!! I can have the same experience from PT by playing in Fantasy Baseball leagues, many of which are free and you can build as many teams as you want.

I know Tournaments are still pending, but I just know its going to be the same deal. The best reward cards will come from tournaments where youll need an already near Perfect team to win it to get the cards. The rewards for lesser tournaments will do nothing toward making your team significantly better and able to compete with the best teams.

“You keep using that word (official). I do not think it means what you think it means.”

Mizzery · 06-20-2019, 05:02 PM

I’ve had six FTP teams, 3 with 19, 3 with 20. I can assure you from personal experience that it is possible to get to perfect level without spending money.

There are many Free to Play owners with even better results than me who have posted in depth their strategies and tactics to get to the Perfect level.

FTP owners should welcome money players in this game because their investment drives player availability by opening more packs and creating more player supply in the AH for free players to leverage.

While it is true that a FTP is unlikely to ever get a perfect Ruth or any of the other highest value cards, that does not mean your team can not compete through roster construction and strategy.

Westheim · 06-20-2019, 05:05 PM

Nobody needs to spend squid on the game, and you don't need every single perfect card in the game, either. If you don't want to spend $500+ (which is understandable), you have to look for openings and make cards a notch below work for you.

My third team was started on May 27 (Monday, to take full advantage of the entry pool), has not had a dime spent on it, nor a single PP for packs, and after just over three weeks of looking for deals on the auction house two or three times a day and trading for profit consistently I have a team headlined by Peak Roberto Clemente, two diamond starters, and a whole pile of gold cards.

And if an emotional idiot that gets attached to players for the most stupid reasons like me can do that, you can, too.

<Pion> · 06-20-2019, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Neezer

The only way to have a great or Perfect team is you have to dump huge amounts of real money. I was hopeful that missions would offer some kind of solution where you could collect (grind) your way to getting the highest performing cards.

How would Collection Missions help your F2P team (without helping P2P even more)? Even if you somehow manage to get a player from missions that does help your team, that same player (and more) is most likely going to be on the whales teams as they have a lot more players (and money) with which to complete the missions.

bailey · 06-20-2019, 06:19 PM

I don't understand why anyone would spend $200+ each month for cable TV, plus more for the TV itself....

waittilnextyear · 06-20-2019, 06:33 PM

Why do we need a new thread on this exact same topic every single time one of your teams do poorly? Everyone already knows you can spend money or not spend money etc etc etc. Some of you guys should think about more productive ways to vent so you don't keep boiling over every few weeks. If this isn't "fun," then why keep doing it?

neugey · 06-20-2019, 06:45 PM

Just hang in there until the restricted tournaments come. You'll have all-bronze card tournaments and salary cap tournaments to even things out. And contrary to your last sentence I think they will have some nice rewards for the cap and lower-card tournaments. I don't think the OOTP team envisions tournaments as a rich-get-richer scenario.

dkgo · 06-20-2019, 07:12 PM

Your strategy was terrible. You should have been using your points to generate more points on the auction house thru quick flips and long term live investments, instead you sunk them into a mystery box for months.

rtkretz · 06-20-2019, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by neugey

Just hang in there until the restricted tournaments come. You'll have all-bronze card tournaments and salary cap tournaments to even things out. And contrary to your last sentence I think they will have some nice rewards for the cap and lower-card tournaments. I don't think the OOTP team envisions tournaments as a rich-get-richer scenario.

b-b-but Neugey, all the whales can afford the OP Meta bronze cards that cost like 1,000 PP each. It would take a few days to earn that much with in game achievements, totally unfair!! F2P players will never escape the oppression!!

Willie M · 06-20-2019, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Neezer

I get its a choice. But I dont understand why anyone would spend $500-5000+ on a game!!!

I get it's a choice, but I can't believe your brain told you that since you aren't able to get good cards, you should bash other adults on how they spend their discretionary income.

Westheim · 06-20-2019, 07:30 PM

I'm not going to spend $5,000 on a game, ever. It's not my weight class.

I'm not going to tell other people they can't spend $5,000 on a game, either. It's not my business.

However - it takes only about ten whales with that amount of blubber (estimate) to pay a programmer for OOTP for a full year! So, the more, the merrier!

Neezer · 06-20-2019, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzery

I’ve had six FTP teams, 3 with 19, 3 with 20. I can assure you from personal experience that it is possible to get to perfect level without spending money.

There are many Free to Play owners with even better results than me who have posted in depth their strategies and tactics to get to the Perfect level.

FTP owners should welcome money players in this game because their investment drives player availability by opening more packs and creating more player supply in the AH for free players to leverage.

While it is true that a FTP is unlikely to ever get a perfect Ruth or any of the other highest value cards, that does not mean your team can not compete through roster construction and strategy.

Where do you get I was talking about just "getting to perfect level"? Yeah, thats not tough.

Im talking about getting the best "Perfect" team as in the best 25 man roster of cards. And being able to compete with those teams that do.

atabakin · 06-20-2019, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Neezer

Where do you get I was talking about just "getting to perfect level"? Yeah, thats not tough.

Im talking about getting the best "Perfect" team as in the best 25 man roster of cards. And being able to compete with those teams that do.

If you could get the best team possible by spending $100, why would anyone choose to spend 50x that? It would be a poor business decision for them to let someone be the best without spending as much as they'd be otherwise willing to spend.

mcdog512 · 06-20-2019, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neezer

Where do you get I was talking about just "getting to perfect level"? Yeah, thats not tough.

Im talking about getting the best "Perfect" team as in the best 25 man roster of cards. And being able to compete with those teams that do.

No kidding.....I was also shocked to learn the Yankees had a HUGE local TV deal and could buy all kinds of players most other teams couldn't. Baseball has always sucked at parity and it's one of the many I reasons I disowned it for many years. That said, I'm now old and I have accepted this world order.

Willie M · 06-20-2019, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neezer

where do you get i was talking about just "getting to perfect level"? Yeah, thats not tough.

Im talking about getting the best "perfect" team as in the best 25 man roster of cards. And being able to compete with those teams that do.

lol

matingly23 · 06-20-2019, 08:08 PM

My teams are all F2P and I've had one make Perfect so far in 20, and all three have been there in 19. Never made the play-offs at that level, but one of my 19 teams is close to a WC spot this week.

Making Perfect I think is doable as the large whales filter up to Perfect eventually which more or less clears the Diamond level of them. Winning in Perfect with a F2P team is another story, unless you happened to have pulled a card worth hundreds of thousands or more from one of your packs - and some do.

I think at least in 20 people are making an effort to use the Friends list to play in mostly F2P leagues, so the chances at post season glory in 20 is better.

justpatrick · 06-21-2019, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Neezer

The only way to have a great or Perfect team is you have to dump huge amounts of real money.

Well, that´s the business model. If you want to have the very best players that money can buy then you need to buy them with money.

This game is not here to give each and every free player the warm fuzzies of owning a Ruth or Young or a young Ruth. It´s here to make money so the devs can reinvest it in the game, and maybe go out for dinner once in a while.

When you buy the game you get not only the best baseball sim in the galaxy, but AS A BONUS you get the opportunity to play this great online game. Think of the free to play version as the demo, maybe that will put it in better perspective.
I play free, by the way, and I´m having a lovely time.

So essentially your post is that you are giving up and you feel the need to tell us about that. Like spending money on this game or not, to each his own. At any rate, even if you never play PT again, you still have a great game to play in the original product.

joehart · 06-21-2019, 03:11 AM

Sometimes you have to take a step back and look at the next generation of baseball fans as well as supporters of games like OOTP.
Many work for tech companies and get plenty of bonuses and stock options/RSUs to stay with their companies.

This easily allows them to spend 20-50K on real season tickets or a few thousands on a game.

So it makes sense that more developers try to market for the broader range of players.

Rest assured, having a whale roster brings no increase in satisfaction. The high you get from getting all those high end players does not last long especially when all opponents in the playoffs look like a mirror image.
You are better off focusing on the initial stages when you can try a lot more strategies and use more players.

dkgo · 06-21-2019, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neezer

Where do you get I was talking about just "getting to perfect level"? Yeah, thats not tough.

Im talking about getting the best "Perfect" team as in the best 25 man roster of cards. And being able to compete with those teams that do.

your thread title literally says "great team"

getting a great team that can regularly make the perfect playoffs is not hard without spending money, it just takes a bit more time.

06-20-2019, 04:49 PM	#1
Neezer Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2019 Posts: 115	Its official, Ill never have a great, let alone perfect, team The only way to have a great or Perfect team is you have to dump huge amounts of real money. I was hopeful that missions would offer some kind of solution where you could collect (grind) your way to getting the highest performing cards. I did spend some money for PP since launch and kept pretty much every card. And when missions went live I could only complete 8 and all were in lowest tier. I have more than 1000 cards. So there are great cards as missions rewards which could make my team significantly better, Walsh, Griffey, Appling. But Ill never get them as the same problem applies. You need rare, great cards to to get them. Or then you need to spend big $ to get PP to buy them off AH, or buy many many packs and hope I get lucky to get all the cards needed to complete these missions. Neither method is attractive. I get its a choice. But I dont understand why anyone would spend $500-5000+ on a game!!! I can have the same experience from PT by playing in Fantasy Baseball leagues, many of which are free and you can build as many teams as you want. I know Tournaments are still pending, but I just know its going to be the same deal. The best reward cards will come from tournaments where youll need an already near Perfect team to win it to get the cards. The rewards for lesser tournaments will do nothing toward making your team significantly better and able to compete with the best teams.

06-20-2019, 05:05 PM	#4
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 12,921	Nobody needs to spend squid on the game, and you don't need every single perfect card in the game, either. If you don't want to spend $500+ (which is understandable), you have to look for openings and make cards a notch below work for you. My third team was started on May 27 (Monday, to take full advantage of the entry pool), has not had a dime spent on it, nor a single PP for packs, and after just over three weeks of looking for deals on the auction house two or three times a day and trading for profit consistently I have a team headlined by Peak Roberto Clemente, two diamond starters, and a whole pile of gold cards. And if an emotional idiot that gets attached to players for the most stupid reasons like me can do that, you can, too. __________________ Portland Raccoons, 89 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

06-20-2019, 06:33 PM	#7
waittilnextyear All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 1,273	Why do we need a new thread on this exact same topic every single time one of your teams do poorly? Everyone already knows you can spend money or not spend money etc etc etc. Some of you guys should think about more productive ways to vent so you don't keep boiling over every few weeks. If this isn't "fun," then why keep doing it? __________________

06-20-2019, 06:45 PM	#8
neugey All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 805 Blog Entries: 39	Just hang in there until the restricted tournaments come. You'll have all-bronze card tournaments and salary cap tournaments to even things out. And contrary to your last sentence I think they will have some nice rewards for the cap and lower-card tournaments. I don't think the OOTP team envisions tournaments as a rich-get-richer scenario. __________________ Online OOTP League Play: PBA - Cincinnati Reds MLM - Baltimore Orioles

06-20-2019, 07:30 PM	#12
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 12,921	I'm not going to spend $5,000 on a game, ever. It's not my weight class. I'm not going to tell other people they can't spend $5,000 on a game, either. It's not my business. However - it takes only about ten whales with that amount of blubber (estimate) to pay a programmer for OOTP for a full year! So, the more, the merrier! __________________ Portland Raccoons, 89 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

06-20-2019, 05:02 PM	#3
Mizzery Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2019 Posts: 99	I’ve had six FTP teams, 3 with 19, 3 with 20. I can assure you from personal experience that it is possible to get to perfect level without spending money. There are many Free to Play owners with even better results than me who have posted in depth their strategies and tactics to get to the Perfect level. FTP owners should welcome money players in this game because their investment drives player availability by opening more packs and creating more player supply in the AH for free players to leverage. While it is true that a FTP is unlikely to ever get a perfect Ruth or any of the other highest value cards, that does not mean your team can not compete through roster construction and strategy.

06-20-2019, 06:19 PM	#6
bailey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,315	I don't understand why anyone would spend $200+ each month for cable TV, plus more for the TV itself....

06-20-2019, 07:12 PM	#9
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	Your strategy was terrible. You should have been using your points to generate more points on the auction house thru quick flips and long term live investments, instead you sunk them into a mystery box for months.

06-20-2019, 08:08 PM	#17
matingly23 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 135	My teams are all F2P and I've had one make Perfect so far in 20, and all three have been there in 19. Never made the play-offs at that level, but one of my 19 teams is close to a WC spot this week. Making Perfect I think is doable as the large whales filter up to Perfect eventually which more or less clears the Diamond level of them. Winning in Perfect with a F2P team is another story, unless you happened to have pulled a card worth hundreds of thousands or more from one of your packs - and some do. I think at least in 20 people are making an effort to use the Friends list to play in mostly F2P leagues, so the chances at post season glory in 20 is better.

06-21-2019, 03:11 AM	#19
joehart All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 1,131	Its official, Ill never have a great, let alone perfect, team Sometimes you have to take a step back and look at the next generation of baseball fans as well as supporters of games like OOTP. Many work for tech companies and get plenty of bonuses and stock options/RSUs to stay with their companies. This easily allows them to spend 20-50K on real season tickets or a few thousands on a game. So it makes sense that more developers try to market for the broader range of players. Rest assured, having a whale roster brings no increase in satisfaction. The high you get from getting all those high end players does not last long especially when all opponents in the playoffs look like a mirror image. You are better off focusing on the initial stages when you can try a lot more strategies and use more players. __________________ Last edited by joehart; 06-21-2019 at 03:24 AM.