I'd love to see a big animation focused patch

mars001 · 06-01-2019, 10:50 AM

I hope I don't sound like I'm complaining... I'm just asking.

The animations keep getting better but, I feel there is a lot of lingering issues that should be fixed.

There are many boundary issues where the ball and/or players go through the wall. So many reports of this in the bugs forum.

Fielders will often hold on to the ball for way too long before throwing

The ball during bunts and short grounders "glitches", disappearing and reappearing further away, often way past the fielder.

The prompt to advance the runner is broken again. This seemed fixed for a little while, but I haven't seen it work in a very long time.

We've heard about hundreds of new animations that didn't make it into the initial build. Will these be added?

Dyzalot · 06-01-2019, 02:00 PM

As much as I like the animations, I feel like they should be at the bottom of any priority lists for fixes since they don't affect the outcome of the game.

Reed · 06-01-2019, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dyzalot

As much as I like the animations, I feel like they should be at the bottom of any priority lists for fixes since they don't affect the outcome of the game.

They do a whole lot of fixes that do not affect the outcome of a game so I do not know if this belongs at the bottom of a priority list. Agree though that in general, items that affect the outcome should be at or near the top of the priority list.

Harry Hibbs · 06-01-2019, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dyzalot

As much as I like the animations, I feel like they should be at the bottom of any priority lists for fixes since they don't affect the outcome of the game.

Respectfully disagree

The 3D makes the game way more compelling for me and I'm fine with the game engine / outcome of the plays. Very true to real life, at least, that's my experience.

Note to the devs: don't listen to Dyzalot!!

Calvert98 · 06-01-2019, 09:58 PM

Although I agree that anything that impacts the game's simulation value should be top priority, I also agree with the original post: overall, the 3D is better, but I am still seeing a lot of the same issues he noted.

And as Harry stated, the 3D is a major part of the game for some folks at this point and even when you do a search for the game, I notice that pictures of the in-game 3D are often front and center. I also agree that the game as a sim is outstanding; really, OOTP 20 is the best version of the game to date.

With that, there are a number of issues with the existing 3D that seem to have been present in 19. In addition, I think the game has reached the stage where the 3D game experience, including the stadiums and actual player models, needs to take another step forward.

BusterKing · 06-02-2019, 09:09 AM

Markus needs to bring it all to the highest level with "The Show" animation/graphic style.

MizzouRah · 06-02-2019, 09:12 AM

There is a forum especially for 3D in the beta section and trust me, these get reported and fixed.

I expect another leap next patch as Matt has been steadily fixing them.

Ty Cobb · 06-02-2019, 09:55 AM

" I notice that pictures of the in-game 3D are often front and center. "

You have the ability (in game) to create your own camera perspectives. For example, Silvam's Tiger Stadium has a camera down the left field line...about where I could afford tickets!

. If you're tired of front and center, make your own cameras and enjoy. I'm thinking that a dugout perspective camera would truly be immersive. The only drawback: I don't think camera views are exchangeable between models...yet. Don't worry, as soon as I finish this post, I'm suggesting it!

zappa1 · 06-02-2019, 11:52 AM

For me, the biggest thing in 3D animation would be for the camera to "follow the ball". Also auto zoom on the fielder while following the ball. Take the DP. Zoom in on the 2nd base bag as the shortstop takes the throw from the second baseman, then switch from there to a shot of the first baseman stretching for the throw while the runner is reaching the bag. Things like that are what I'm waiting for. So, follow the ball and camera switching are tops in 3D for me.

Dyzalot · 06-02-2019, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry Hibbs

Respectfully disagree

The 3D makes the game way more compelling for me and I'm fine with the game engine / outcome of the plays. Very true to real life, at least, that's my experience.

Note to the devs: don't listen to Dyzalot!!

"Very true" isn't good enough. I want "true". I want to be able to look at 100 boxscores and game logs from 50 random MLB games and 50 random OOTP games that are simming MLB and not be able to discern the difference. I guess I'm basically asking for OOTP to be able to pass a "baseball turing" test. To me that seems like that should be the ultimate goal of a game that bills itself as a realistic simulation of MLB.

Just my "two cents".

itshim99 · 06-02-2019, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dyzalot

"Very true" isn't good enough. I want "true". I want to be able to look at 100 boxscores and game logs from 50 random MLB games and 50 random OOTP games that are simming MLB and not be able to discern the difference. I guess I'm basically asking for OOTP to be able to pass a "baseball turing" test. To me that seems like that should be the ultimate goal of a game that bills itself as a realistic simulation of MLB.

Just my "two cents".

100% agree. The 3D is nice and cool to have, but indistinguishability in terms of statistical output should be the main objective.

canadian content · 06-02-2019, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by itshim99

100% agree. The 3D is nice and cool to have, but indistinguishability in terms of statistical output should be the main objective.

Forgive me if I am mistaken but I thought the work put into 3D animation would have no bearing on the resources or time spent on improving the other facets of the game?

Matt Arnold · 06-03-2019, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by canadian content

Forgive me if I am mistaken but I thought the work put into 3D animation would have no bearing on the resources or time spent on improving the other facets of the game?

Depends which parts of the animation. Some of it (the stuff like improved crowd effects, or updated stadiums, or some stuff with camera movements) don't interact with the rest of the work. But most of the items (player movements, timing, ball flights, etc...) it does happen that the time I spend there is time I'm not working on game logic. But sometimes they are related, too - If there are plays that the fielder gets to too easily and can't make the play, that potentially is something to investigate from the game logic side too. The in-game engine has definitely improved because of the 3D, although always more that we can do to improve on it. And I would agree with the above that would be awesome to pass a "baseball turing test" someday

06-01-2019, 10:50 AM	#1
mars001 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 951	I'd love to see a big animation focused patch I hope I don't sound like I'm complaining... I'm just asking. The animations keep getting better but, I feel there is a lot of lingering issues that should be fixed. There are many boundary issues where the ball and/or players go through the wall. So many reports of this in the bugs forum. Fielders will often hold on to the ball for way too long before throwing The ball during bunts and short grounders "glitches", disappearing and reappearing further away, often way past the fielder. The prompt to advance the runner is broken again. This seemed fixed for a little while, but I haven't seen it work in a very long time. We've heard about hundreds of new animations that didn't make it into the initial build. Will these be added?

06-02-2019, 09:55 AM	#8
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,626	That's easy enough to change " I notice that pictures of the in-game 3D are often front and center. " You have the ability (in game) to create your own camera perspectives. For example, Silvam's Tiger Stadium has a camera down the left field line...about where I could afford tickets! . If you're tired of front and center, make your own cameras and enjoy. I'm thinking that a dugout perspective camera would truly be immersive. The only drawback: I don't think camera views are exchangeable between models...yet. Don't worry, as soon as I finish this post, I'm suggesting it! __________________ "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Thanos

06-01-2019, 02:00 PM	#2
Dyzalot All Star Starter Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,767	As much as I like the animations, I feel like they should be at the bottom of any priority lists for fixes since they don't affect the outcome of the game.

06-01-2019, 09:58 PM	#5
Calvert98 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 579	Although I agree that anything that impacts the game's simulation value should be top priority, I also agree with the original post: overall, the 3D is better, but I am still seeing a lot of the same issues he noted. And as Harry stated, the 3D is a major part of the game for some folks at this point and even when you do a search for the game, I notice that pictures of the in-game 3D are often front and center. I also agree that the game as a sim is outstanding; really, OOTP 20 is the best version of the game to date. With that, there are a number of issues with the existing 3D that seem to have been present in 19. In addition, I think the game has reached the stage where the 3D game experience, including the stadiums and actual player models, needs to take another step forward.

06-02-2019, 09:09 AM	#6
BusterKing Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,437	Markus needs to bring it all to the highest level with "The Show" animation/graphic style.

06-02-2019, 09:12 AM	#7
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,266	There is a forum especially for 3D in the beta section and trust me, these get reported and fixed. I expect another leap next patch as Matt has been steadily fixing them.

06-02-2019, 11:52 AM	#9
zappa1 Banned Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 2,271	For me, the biggest thing in 3D animation would be for the camera to "follow the ball". Also auto zoom on the fielder while following the ball. Take the DP. Zoom in on the 2nd base bag as the shortstop takes the throw from the second baseman, then switch from there to a shot of the first baseman stretching for the throw while the runner is reaching the bag. Things like that are what I'm waiting for. So, follow the ball and camera switching are tops in 3D for me.