Glad my perect Babe Ruth is worthless trash and Honus Wager is a strike out machine

petdawg · 04-25-2019, 06:58 PM

Every season my 100 Perfect Babe Ruth gets worse and worse. I get with each promotion, the competition get tougher, but this is a joke. His first season in a Perfect league he was ok, but now he has been benched and does not even play for my team any more.

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He is hitting under the Mendoza line for Gods sake, that is just plain dumb. Not to mention his career batting average was .342. 143 points higher then this season for me. So much for being a Historical Legend.

My other favorite stat on my team is my 100 Honus Wagner. He has 421 plate appearance with 361 at bats and has struck out 103 times! In 21 seasons the most strike outs he ever had was 64 in 156 games / 625 plate appearances / 566 at bats. He was also 41 at the time. In an average season he would strike out 43 times.

Now I know how hard it is to have complete statistical accuracy, especially with Perfect level teams being stacked. But the stats the Babe Ruth has put up are just unrealistic in every way, and that strikeout rate for Wagner is embarrassingly bad for the player he was.

Kind of takes away from playing the game when you are benching Babe Ruth because he sucks.

Pirates · 04-25-2019, 07:03 PM

I grew up in Pittsburgh and sadly, I watched Mario Mendoza play
Sigh...

bailey · 04-25-2019, 07:14 PM

It would help a lot if your home ballpark factors, were 1.1 for LH avg and LH power.

Hawks 27 · 04-25-2019, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by petdawg

Every season my 100 Perfect Babe Ruth gets worse and worse. I get with each promotion, the competition get tougher, but this is a joke. His first season in a Perfect league he was ok, but now he has been benched and does not even play for my team any more.

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He is hitting under the Mendoza line for Gods sake, that is just plain dumb. Not to mention his career batting average was .342. 143 points higher then this season for me. So much for being a Historical Legend.

My other favorite stat on my team is my 100 Honus Wagner. He has 421 plate appearance with 361 at bats and has struck out 103 times! In 21 seasons the most strike outs he ever had was 64 in 156 games / 625 plate appearances / 566 at bats. He was also 41 at the time. In an average season he would strike out 43 times.

Now I know how hard it is to have complete statistical accuracy, especially with Perfect level teams being stacked. But the stats the Babe Ruth has put up are just unrealistic in every way, and that strikeout rate for Wagner is embarrassingly bad for the player he was.

Kind of takes away from playing the game when you are benching Babe Ruth because he sucks.

Have you tried adjusting ballpark factors to favor lefties? I'd also look at setting up platoons for Ruth so that he plays more against RHP starters. You two have to get crafty at the perfect level...

petdawg · 04-25-2019, 07:41 PM

I have played with ballpark values in the past, and was not that impressed. I will try again next season Maybe I did not give it enough of a chance. I will do the 1.1 adjustment for LH Avg and Power and see what happens. I appreciate the suggestion.

I have done some platooning with Ruth, but honestly I do not face a lot of LHP. I think I will shelf him until next season, change the ballpark values and set him up to play just against RHP. Hopefully that will at least make him respectful again.

Thanks for the suggestions!

LandiHero · 04-25-2019, 08:22 PM

Another tip as to why Ruth may be playing pretty poorly, the devs have stated that there is some kind of penalty to the DH's batting numbers. Of course I don't know if he's DHing for you, but I think his defensive numbers are pretty abysmal if I remember correctly. That, combined with what I am sure is some crazy pitching at the perfect league, is probably hurting his stats. And I do remember that the devs said something about a higher Avoid K's rating helping the batter out in other ways than just straight strikeouts, as they foul of pitches more often when they are in a 2 strike count, giving them another chance for a hit. Hope this helps explain a little!

GlassGuyBob · 04-25-2019, 10:03 PM

Because of shifts, lefty pull hitters do awful in Perfect Team. It seems like everyone has settings on for shifts, so all lefties that have extreme pull are basically Chris Davis.

I sold a 98 Ted Williams because he couldn't hit .240 in Diamond. Get rid of all of your pull lefties.

Pirates · 04-25-2019, 10:20 PM

They need to get rid of infield shifts.
Talented hitters such as Ruth, Williams, Wagner, etc.. would have learned to hit the ball the other way.
George Brett has said he would hit .600 if they shifted when he batted.

mcdog512 · 04-25-2019, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pirates

They need to get rid of infield shifts.
Talented hitters such as Ruth, Williams, Wagner, etc.. would have learned to hit the ball the other way.
George Brett has said he would hit .600 if they shifted when he batted.

Except once they figured out he could beat it they wouldn't do it.

old timer · 04-25-2019, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pirates

They need to get rid of infield shifts.
Talented hitters such as Ruth, Williams, Wagner, etc.. would have learned to hit the ball the other way.
George Brett has said he would hit .600 if they shifted when he batted.

But what evidence do we have that this is even contributing much? We can't see other people's strategy settings and somehow I doubt many people are using infield shifts a lot. Of course, I could be wrong.

Furthermore, we don't even know how much shifts affect hitters like this. Unless someone has heard from the devs what the effects are or have done some testing?

Pirates · 04-25-2019, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mcdog512

Except once they figured out he could beat it they wouldn't do it.

Exactly, thereby eliminating the infield shift.
This game does not let your players do that.

Any game that turns Ted Williams and Babe Ruth into worthless players, needs to be fixed. Just make these hitters Normal instead of dead pull, that would fix the problem.

petdawg · 04-25-2019, 11:04 PM

For the record, Babe Ruth:

Batted Ball Profile: Flyball Hitter
Groundball Tendency: Normal
Flyball Tendency: Normal

100 Joe Morgan LH - Extreme Pull Hitter and is hitting .280 for me and having a good season.

100 George Brett LH - Extreme Pull Hitter and is hitting .306 (Though he should hit higher then .306)

100 Ted Williams and 100 Barry Bonds who are just pull hitters are hitting .260 and .230 which is not good.

Basically just some stats to add info to the discussion.

rudel.dietrich · 04-25-2019, 11:08 PM

So glad I don’t spend money on this beyond the initial price of the game.

petdawg · 04-25-2019, 11:22 PM

Unless the game gets balanced better I will change my entire strategy for next year. I will skip week one, and build slowly from the lower leagues. I will spend a little money to get things going, but I will be done with any of these high end players. I really feel the game balance right now is really bad. A lot of things feel more random to me than skill or strategy based.

CurlyKarkovice · 04-26-2019, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by LandiHero

Another tip as to why Ruth may be playing pretty poorly, the devs have stated that there is some kind of penalty to the DH's batting numbers. Of course I don't know if he's DHing for you, but I think his defensive numbers are pretty abysmal if I remember correctly. That, combined with what I am sure is some crazy pitching at the perfect league, is probably hurting his stats.

What? That cannot be true nor is it realistic. Perfect league 100 ovr rotations dominating makes sense. But if there's really a DH penalty on ratings, they should give owners an option to bat the pitcher and set player strategy to bunt 100% of time. DH killing a player's ability to hit to their potential makes zero sense. A player sitting in the OF and making errors makes them a better hitter than sitting on the bench and hitting from the DH spot? Am I taking crazy pills dot gif

old timer · 04-26-2019, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CurlyKarkovice

What? That cannot be true nor is it realistic. Perfect league 100 ovr rotations dominating makes sense. But if there's really a DH penalty on ratings, they should give owners an option to bat the pitcher and set player strategy to bunt 100% of time. DH killing a player's ability to hit to their potential makes zero sense. A player sitting in the OF and making errors makes them a better hitter than sitting on the bench and hitting from the DH spot? Am I taking crazy pills dot gif

A post from Matt (one of the devs) from another thread:

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Yeah, it's like a couple percent. I wouldn't worry about it for a big hitter - the extra games they get in by not having the same fatigue issues would more than make up for the DH penalty.

Lukas Berger · 04-26-2019, 03:51 AM

Guys can have slumps and even bad half seasons and full seasons. I've had guys putting up regular 5-6 WAR seasons suddenly put up a 0-1 for a season and then just go back to dominating.

That's surely all that's going on here, Ruth is having an unusually bad stretch due to random variance that he'll break out of pretty soon. It happens to everyone. Even the real-life Babe had 1925 (though there were obviously some reasons for that).

Chico Guilbault · 04-26-2019, 09:14 AM

I don't know, this seems like it may be a problem. I just looked at maybe 25 different left handed pull hitters in my league. They are all hitting in the .220 range or lower. I have Cody Bellinger hitting between .220 and .240 for three years running now. Unless something changes with this, I'll be changing my lineup strategy going forward.

dkgo · 04-26-2019, 09:25 AM

would be interesting to start looking at some league-level splits

this season LHB have a .737 OPS while RHB are .721. I can't remember the exact year perfect team league modifiers are pinned to, but in 2010 the split was .737/.722 and in 2005 it's .760/.741 so if perfect team lefties are getting neutered across the board that seems like a real issue with the game logic.

Hawks 27 · 04-26-2019, 11:41 AM

I get the frustration (I was stupid lucky enough to pull Ruth and Wagner as well), but it kinda makes sense. We can't expect these guys to hit .340 with 45HR - in their actual careers they faced a wide range of pitching talent. Once you get into the diamond and perfect leagues, every starter has Cy Young caliber stuff and every reliever is extremely talented.

They should probably be performing a little better (.220 is ridiculous), but I don't mind them hitting under .300.

04-25-2019, 06:58 PM	#1
petdawg Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 47	Glad my perect Babe Ruth is worthless trash and Honus Wager is a strike out machine Every season my 100 Perfect Babe Ruth gets worse and worse. I get with each promotion, the competition get tougher, but this is a joke. His first season in a Perfect league he was ok, but now he has been benched and does not even play for my team any more. He is hitting under the Mendoza line for Gods sake, that is just plain dumb. Not to mention his career batting average was .342. 143 points higher then this season for me. So much for being a Historical Legend. My other favorite stat on my team is my 100 Honus Wagner. He has 421 plate appearance with 361 at bats and has struck out 103 times! In 21 seasons the most strike outs he ever had was 64 in 156 games / 625 plate appearances / 566 at bats. He was also 41 at the time. In an average season he would strike out 43 times. Now I know how hard it is to have complete statistical accuracy, especially with Perfect level teams being stacked. But the stats the Babe Ruth has put up are just unrealistic in every way, and that strikeout rate for Wagner is embarrassingly bad for the player he was. Kind of takes away from playing the game when you are benching Babe Ruth because he sucks. Last edited by petdawg; 04-25-2019 at 07:45 PM. Reason: Mistake in the title line I can't fix =(

04-25-2019, 11:04 PM	#12
petdawg Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 47	For the record, Babe Ruth: Batted Ball Profile: Flyball Hitter Groundball Tendency: Normal Flyball Tendency: Normal 100 Joe Morgan LH - Extreme Pull Hitter and is hitting .280 for me and having a good season. 100 George Brett LH - Extreme Pull Hitter and is hitting .306 (Though he should hit higher then .306) 100 Ted Williams and 100 Barry Bonds who are just pull hitters are hitting .260 and .230 which is not good. Basically just some stats to add info to the discussion. Last edited by petdawg; 04-25-2019 at 11:09 PM.

04-26-2019, 03:51 AM	#17
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 21,068	Guys can have slumps and even bad half seasons and full seasons. I've had guys putting up regular 5-6 WAR seasons suddenly put up a 0-1 for a season and then just go back to dominating. That's surely all that's going on here, Ruth is having an unusually bad stretch due to random variance that he'll break out of pretty soon. It happens to everyone. Even the real-life Babe had 1925 (though there were obviously some reasons for that). __________________ lukas@ootpdevelopments.com PreOrder Out of the Park Baseball 26! Need to upload files for us to check out? Instructions can be found here

04-26-2019, 09:14 AM	#18
Chico Guilbault All Star Starter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Harlingen, NJ Posts: 1,073	I don't know, this seems like it may be a problem. I just looked at maybe 25 different left handed pull hitters in my league. They are all hitting in the .220 range or lower. I have Cody Bellinger hitting between .220 and .240 for three years running now. Unless something changes with this, I'll be changing my lineup strategy going forward. __________________ BeechumCounty.com

04-26-2019, 11:41 AM	#20
Hawks 27 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Cincinnati/Chicago Posts: 90	I get the frustration (I was stupid lucky enough to pull Ruth and Wagner as well), but it kinda makes sense. We can't expect these guys to hit .340 with 45HR - in their actual careers they faced a wide range of pitching talent. Once you get into the diamond and perfect leagues, every starter has Cy Young caliber stuff and every reliever is extremely talented. They should probably be performing a little better (.220 is ridiculous), but I don't mind them hitting under .300. __________________

04-25-2019, 07:03 PM	#2
Pirates Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 371	I grew up in Pittsburgh and sadly, I watched Mario Mendoza play Sigh...

04-25-2019, 07:14 PM	#3
bailey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,315	It would help a lot if your home ballpark factors, were 1.1 for LH avg and LH power.

04-25-2019, 07:41 PM	#5
petdawg Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 47	I have played with ballpark values in the past, and was not that impressed. I will try again next season Maybe I did not give it enough of a chance. I will do the 1.1 adjustment for LH Avg and Power and see what happens. I appreciate the suggestion. I have done some platooning with Ruth, but honestly I do not face a lot of LHP. I think I will shelf him until next season, change the ballpark values and set him up to play just against RHP. Hopefully that will at least make him respectful again. Thanks for the suggestions!

04-25-2019, 08:22 PM	#6
LandiHero Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 48	Another tip as to why Ruth may be playing pretty poorly, the devs have stated that there is some kind of penalty to the DH's batting numbers. Of course I don't know if he's DHing for you, but I think his defensive numbers are pretty abysmal if I remember correctly. That, combined with what I am sure is some crazy pitching at the perfect league, is probably hurting his stats. And I do remember that the devs said something about a higher Avoid K's rating helping the batter out in other ways than just straight strikeouts, as they foul of pitches more often when they are in a 2 strike count, giving them another chance for a hit. Hope this helps explain a little!

04-25-2019, 10:03 PM	#7
GlassGuyBob Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 121	Because of shifts, lefty pull hitters do awful in Perfect Team. It seems like everyone has settings on for shifts, so all lefties that have extreme pull are basically Chris Davis. I sold a 98 Ted Williams because he couldn't hit .240 in Diamond. Get rid of all of your pull lefties.

04-25-2019, 10:20 PM	#8
Pirates Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 371	They need to get rid of infield shifts. Talented hitters such as Ruth, Williams, Wagner, etc.. would have learned to hit the ball the other way. George Brett has said he would hit .600 if they shifted when he batted.

04-25-2019, 11:08 PM	#13
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	So glad I don’t spend money on this beyond the initial price of the game.

04-25-2019, 11:22 PM	#14
petdawg Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 47	Unless the game gets balanced better I will change my entire strategy for next year. I will skip week one, and build slowly from the lower leagues. I will spend a little money to get things going, but I will be done with any of these high end players. I really feel the game balance right now is really bad. A lot of things feel more random to me than skill or strategy based.

04-26-2019, 09:25 AM	#19
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	would be interesting to start looking at some league-level splits this season LHB have a .737 OPS while RHB are .721. I can't remember the exact year perfect team league modifiers are pinned to, but in 2010 the split was .737/.722 and in 2005 it's .760/.741 so if perfect team lefties are getting neutered across the board that seems like a real issue with the game logic.