Defensive Ratings

panda234 · 01-25-2019, 06:36 PM

I have a chance to pick up Manny Machado for the stretch run but would have to put him at second base. How can I check his defensive efficiency to see whether his defensive shortcomings at second overcome his offensive capability?

NoOne · 01-25-2019, 09:20 PM

in ootp... (relative to my settings, which are similar enough to default -- .984-985 field pct. league. i spent quite a bit of time getting defensive modifiers to get each position to a similar error-rate as the mlb -- not just 1 year auto-calc, but a average from 100s of years of data.)

so, things could be a bit different from what i say here and what you see.. .but the 'how/why' is the same.

i don't really look at turn dp enough to tell you what is a good # or bad... you'd have to look at other 2b in your league for a rough baseline.. find someone with a good turn dp and a good ss compliment, and use that as a higher-end idea of ~normal.

i assume your goal isn't to be average... but may want to find ~average baseline too.

Range Factor (RF) is useful in ootp. e.g. a SS with a RF of ~4+ is elite. whereas a C is a RF of ~10-12. so, position matters as far as what is good or bad. the tougher the position, the lower the RF to be excellent.

Zone Rating is useful in ootp too. again, it will depend on position. a SS/CF can get to 30+. 2b gold glove ~20+? but even a ~12-16 can win it some years.

the lesser defensive positions just need to be 10+ in ZR to be gold-glove like in any given year there isn't some phenom out there.

(these things are useless in RL as they are measured, currently, LoL unless something has changed recently)

whether or not all that is overcome by a specific amount of offense is a bit more difficult to answer. it'd be easier if we had defensive runs saved... think ~8-16runs is equal to a win? takes quite a few over 162g to make a difference of 1 game.

whether saved or scored, shouldn't matter. apples to apples -- run difference all that matters. which is why it takes a %$-ton of defensive runs saved to make up a poor bat... and easy for a good bat to make up for bad defense. runs are the same weight, but improving defense has a diminishing return, while offense has no real upper limit, potentially.

BMW · 01-25-2019, 09:29 PM

He will have the talent to play second base with a rating similar to shortstop.

But if he doesn't have a rating at second base in your league you'll be throwing him to the sharks trying to get him the experience in the middle of a pennant race.

01-25-2019, 06:36 PM	#1
panda234 Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 322	Defensive Ratings I have a chance to pick up Manny Machado for the stretch run but would have to put him at second base. How can I check his defensive efficiency to see whether his defensive shortcomings at second overcome his offensive capability?

01-25-2019, 09:20 PM	#2
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	in ootp... (relative to my settings, which are similar enough to default -- .984-985 field pct. league. i spent quite a bit of time getting defensive modifiers to get each position to a similar error-rate as the mlb -- not just 1 year auto-calc, but a average from 100s of years of data.) so, things could be a bit different from what i say here and what you see.. .but the 'how/why' is the same. i don't really look at turn dp enough to tell you what is a good # or bad... you'd have to look at other 2b in your league for a rough baseline.. find someone with a good turn dp and a good ss compliment, and use that as a higher-end idea of ~normal. i assume your goal isn't to be average... but may want to find ~average baseline too. Range Factor (RF) is useful in ootp. e.g. a SS with a RF of ~4+ is elite. whereas a C is a RF of ~10-12. so, position matters as far as what is good or bad. the tougher the position, the lower the RF to be excellent. Zone Rating is useful in ootp too. again, it will depend on position. a SS/CF can get to 30+. 2b gold glove ~20+? but even a ~12-16 can win it some years. the lesser defensive positions just need to be 10+ in ZR to be gold-glove like in any given year there isn't some phenom out there. (these things are useless in RL as they are measured, currently, LoL unless something has changed recently) whether or not all that is overcome by a specific amount of offense is a bit more difficult to answer. it'd be easier if we had defensive runs saved... think ~8-16runs is equal to a win? takes quite a few over 162g to make a difference of 1 game. whether saved or scored, shouldn't matter. apples to apples -- run difference all that matters. which is why it takes a %$-ton of defensive runs saved to make up a poor bat... and easy for a good bat to make up for bad defense. runs are the same weight, but improving defense has a diminishing return, while offense has no real upper limit, potentially. Last edited by NoOne; 01-25-2019 at 09:22 PM.

01-25-2019, 09:29 PM	#3
BMW Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,030	He will have the talent to play second base with a rating similar to shortstop. But if he doesn't have a rating at second base in your league you'll be throwing him to the sharks trying to get him the experience in the middle of a pennant race. __________________