Won division by 1 game, still faced a one-game playoff.

Len1950 · 12-12-2018, 07:12 PM

The Seattle Mariners won the AL West in 2021 by a game over Oakland, finishing 92-70, with Oakland finishing 90-70. So Oakland should have had two makeup games to play, right? Wrong. Instead, Seattle had to play game 163 against Oakland. Fortunately, they won that game, or I would have been really upset. But there's something wrong with the way the game reads standings.

Matt Arnold · 12-12-2018, 08:01 PM

We don't "cancel" games - all games should be played out. Did you manually delete games from the schedule? Or can you figure out how those games got missed?

Was there just the one game after the "regular season end", or were they more games? Those extra games were not just rescheduled games from earlier in the season, correct?

As you have it listed there, no, that should not have happened. But I also don't know how those 2 games between Oakland and Texas would have gotten "missed" either.

Len1950 · 12-12-2018, 08:46 PM

Thanks, Matt, for your quick response. To answer, I never do anything to the schedule, and I don't allow league evolution. To answer your other question, that one game between Seattle and Oakland was the only one played after that last Sunday.

I went back and looked at Oakland's schedule, and I counted 17 games they played with Texas and no obvious holes in the schedule, such as multiple open dates. They played 19 against Seattle, not counting game 163. I looked at Texas's schedule, and they also show 17 games between Oakland and Texas. My thought was that there were some rainouts that didn't get rescheduled, but I wasn't paying attention to them as the season played out (I fast-sim everything and slow down only for roster management). I've been playing since OOTP15 and have never seen anything like this before. (Probably not relevant, but Oakland and Texas ended the regular season with a four-game series. All of those games were played.)

Is it possible the AI was thrown off by multiple rainouts and then only looked at the loss column at season's end? Things get tricky sometimes when a game is rescheduled as part of a doubleheader, and then all or part of the doubleheader also gets rained out. Doesn't sound like a good explanation to me, but I can't think of anything else.

Matt Arnold · 12-12-2018, 09:20 PM

I would suggest you double-check the schedule file before next season, just to make sure you're not accidentally using one that will permanently keep teams games short. But yes, it is possible that the tiebreaker went through and checked losses for teams, and was assuming they would have played equal games, when scheduling the tiebreaker. We'll try to double-check the logic and fix things for next year.

Len1950 · 12-12-2018, 10:49 PM

I've just gone through my Almanacs, and I noticed that, sure enough, the anomaly has been going on for a while. It never affected the playoff picture before, so I didn't notice.

The 2018 schedule was fine, but in 2019 the Mariners and A's played only 160 games, and in 2020 the Angels and Rangers were two games short. (You'd know better than I what might have caused that to happen.)

How would I fix this? Go to game settings and click on "League & Teams" and push "Generate League Schedule"? Or is it more complicated than that? (Then I guess I would have to manually count the number of games for each team before the season starts?)

Len1950 · 12-12-2018, 11:00 PM

I went on and looked at 11 seasons worth of standings for my previous save. There weren't any anomalies there.

Matt Arnold · 12-13-2018, 01:12 AM

Yes, just generating a new league schedule before next season should hopefully fix it. Not sure how it would have happened but hopefully everything will work going forward.

Griever20 · 12-13-2018, 12:11 PM

I had the same thing happening to me in a challenge mode game I started recently, had to add two games to the schedule manually to make it work.

bwburke94 · 12-15-2018, 04:28 PM

Considering that this error happens to match the initial-release 2019 MLB .lsdl file, it's pretty obvious what happened here.

A fixed version is available on the forums.

Griever20 · 12-17-2018, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwburke94

Considering that this error happens to match the initial-release 2019 MLB .lsdl file, it's pretty obvious what happened here.

A fixed version is available on the forums.

Thanks, I just downloaded that one and implemented it. For my game, I added those missing games and then imported the 2014 MLB schedule for the next year, so no real harm luckily.

12-12-2018, 07:12 PM	#1
Len1950 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 70	Won division by 1 game, still faced a one-game playoff. The Seattle Mariners won the AL West in 2021 by a game over Oakland, finishing 92-70, with Oakland finishing 90-70. So Oakland should have had two makeup games to play, right? Wrong. Instead, Seattle had to play game 163 against Oakland. Fortunately, they won that game, or I would have been really upset. But there's something wrong with the way the game reads standings. Attached Images

12-13-2018, 12:11 PM	#8
Griever20 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Dortmund, Germany Posts: 3,727	I had the same thing happening to me in a challenge mode game I started recently, had to add two games to the schedule manually to make it work. __________________ The Montreal Expos... Exposing the New MLB? MLB 2015 - Being the Brewmaster(ended) MLB 2013: The Blue Jays That Never Were(concluded)

12-15-2018, 04:28 PM	#9
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,518	Considering that this error happens to match the initial-release 2019 MLB .lsdl file, it's pretty obvious what happened here. A fixed version is available on the forums. Last edited by bwburke94; 12-15-2018 at 04:29 PM.

12-12-2018, 08:01 PM	#2
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,111	We don't "cancel" games - all games should be played out. Did you manually delete games from the schedule? Or can you figure out how those games got missed? Was there just the one game after the "regular season end", or were they more games? Those extra games were not just rescheduled games from earlier in the season, correct? As you have it listed there, no, that should not have happened. But I also don't know how those 2 games between Oakland and Texas would have gotten "missed" either.

12-12-2018, 08:46 PM	#3
Len1950 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 70	Thanks, Matt, for your quick response. To answer, I never do anything to the schedule, and I don't allow league evolution. To answer your other question, that one game between Seattle and Oakland was the only one played after that last Sunday. I went back and looked at Oakland's schedule, and I counted 17 games they played with Texas and no obvious holes in the schedule, such as multiple open dates. They played 19 against Seattle, not counting game 163. I looked at Texas's schedule, and they also show 17 games between Oakland and Texas. My thought was that there were some rainouts that didn't get rescheduled, but I wasn't paying attention to them as the season played out (I fast-sim everything and slow down only for roster management). I've been playing since OOTP15 and have never seen anything like this before. (Probably not relevant, but Oakland and Texas ended the regular season with a four-game series. All of those games were played.) Is it possible the AI was thrown off by multiple rainouts and then only looked at the loss column at season's end? Things get tricky sometimes when a game is rescheduled as part of a doubleheader, and then all or part of the doubleheader also gets rained out. Doesn't sound like a good explanation to me, but I can't think of anything else.

12-12-2018, 09:20 PM	#4
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,111	I would suggest you double-check the schedule file before next season, just to make sure you're not accidentally using one that will permanently keep teams games short. But yes, it is possible that the tiebreaker went through and checked losses for teams, and was assuming they would have played equal games, when scheduling the tiebreaker. We'll try to double-check the logic and fix things for next year.

12-12-2018, 10:49 PM	#5
Len1950 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 70	I've just gone through my Almanacs, and I noticed that, sure enough, the anomaly has been going on for a while. It never affected the playoff picture before, so I didn't notice. The 2018 schedule was fine, but in 2019 the Mariners and A's played only 160 games, and in 2020 the Angels and Rangers were two games short. (You'd know better than I what might have caused that to happen.) How would I fix this? Go to game settings and click on "League & Teams" and push "Generate League Schedule"? Or is it more complicated than that? (Then I guess I would have to manually count the number of games for each team before the season starts?)

12-12-2018, 11:00 PM	#6
Len1950 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 70	I went on and looked at 11 seasons worth of standings for my previous save. There weren't any anomalies there.

12-13-2018, 01:12 AM	#7
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,111	Yes, just generating a new league schedule before next season should hopefully fix it. Not sure how it would have happened but hopefully everything will work going forward.