Grandal vs. Ramos

SJM1583 · 11-28-2018, 08:32 PM

Of course, even when I manage to have two gold cards they both play the same position!!

What do "catcher ability" and catcher defense do anyway? does it somehow play into game calling, pitch-framing etc? or is it just defense on weak grounders/popups?

which one should i keep??

entropyw65 · 11-28-2018, 10:29 PM

I have Grandal. He's hitting .079 after 18 games.

Markus Heinsohn · 11-29-2018, 05:05 AM

The catcher ability rating does indeed include pitch framing skills. So, the higher the better your pitchers will perform.

ThePretender · 11-29-2018, 07:34 AM

I'd sell both to be honest, I don't love either catcher. Get a cheaper catcher and use the PP from both to fill other needs.

uschi_baerchen · 11-29-2018, 08:11 AM

Keep them both, put 1 on DH if necessary, these two guys will perform like Kris Bryant or Bryce Harper (3 - 4 WAR) and you will get not more than say 3000 for each of them.

Markus Heinsohn · 11-29-2018, 09:40 AM

I would keep Grandal...

captainbuttercream · 11-29-2018, 10:02 AM

Grandal is one of the best catchers available until you get into the insanely expensive diamond tier catchers.

If your team is weak in other areas, it might be a good idea to sell both and pick up a cheap defensive only catcher.

SJM1583 · 11-29-2018, 10:06 AM

I do have Jody Davis...

but yeah, knowing that pitch framing is part of that i'm keep Grandal, case closed.

wish we could make 1 for 1 deal, anyone want Ramos?

zrog2000 · 11-29-2018, 11:05 AM

74 Molina live is a pretty good alternative to both Ramos and Grandal.

I've found that catchers have a really time living up to their batting ratings in this game. Maybe small sample sizes...

edit - and then I check out my team more carefully and notice that I have Omar Narvaez with a 140 OPS+ this year. But his defense is only 46 and my pitching stinks. I didn't realize that catcher defense improves pitching performance so it's time to move on from him. I also have Salvador Perez with a 10 OPS+ who I'm platooning with Narvaez and he has a 67 DEF.

sharknut · 11-29-2018, 11:13 AM

I've had Grandal for two years and he never hit above .210. His lower rated backup hit better than he did both years.

Kushiel · 11-29-2018, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by sharknut

I've had Grandal for two years and he never hit above .210. His lower rated backup hit better than he did both years.

I am going with Posey for that reason. I lose on power but have a pretty good defensive catcher that has some average to at least get on base.

sharknut · 11-29-2018, 06:07 PM

Bob Boone rated 78 is a good bargain.

Janks · 11-29-2018, 11:33 PM

I had Boone in the Beta and he was great.

Now, Gabby Hartnett is my starter pack gold. He was hitting .160 through May and he just went on a tear to be at .193 for the season.

I was thinking about selling him to improve a few positions, but he is a 92 in ability and he is based on a .344 season.

Now that he is showing his potential I'm glad I kept him. In the last week he is hitting .360 with 4 HR.

zrog2000 · 11-30-2018, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SJM1583

I do have Jody Davis...

but yeah, knowing that pitch framing is part of that i'm keep Grandal, case closed.

wish we could make 1 for 1 deal, anyone want Ramos?

Jody Davis has been amazing for me so far. What a bargain at 155 PP. Better than any other catcher I've had.

sharknut · 11-30-2018, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Janks

I had Boone in the Beta and he was great.

I don't have a great pitching staff, but the starters ERA was 3rd out of 64 teams after last night.

Whoofe · 11-30-2018, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by zrog2000

Jody Davis has been amazing for me so far. What a bargain at 155 PP. Better than any other catcher I've had.

i just bought him yesterday. didn't even realize he was in the game until a few days ago, and the first couple AHs i got sniped off

solid bronze catchers are tough to find, IMO. salvy perez is the other one i can think of

zrog2000 · 11-30-2018, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Whoofe

i just bought him yesterday. didn't even realize he was in the game until a few days ago, and the first couple AHs i got sniped off

solid bronze catchers are tough to find, IMO. salvy perez is the other one i can think of

I have Perez as my 2nd catcher. He's getting a defensive buff next week so I may go back to him. Shhhh!

Since I switched to Davis, my pitching has been much better. He's also hitting pretty well too with a 120 OPS+.

SJM1583 · 12-01-2018, 11:46 PM

post script: I just pulled Buster Posey. this is apparently the only position i get cards at

Dogberry99 · 12-02-2018, 01:56 AM

Gotta catch 'em all, eh? eh?

zrog2000 · 12-02-2018, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SJM1583

post script: I just pulled Buster Posey. this is apparently the only position i get cards at

I’m jealous considering catcher seems to be the toughest position to fill. Way better than getting relief pitchers or 3b.

View Poll Results: Which Catcher is better
Grandal	20	80.00%
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11-28-2018, 08:32 PM	#1
SJM1583 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 85	Grandal vs. Ramos Of course, even when I manage to have two gold cards they both play the same position!! What do "catcher ability" and catcher defense do anyway? does it somehow play into game calling, pitch-framing etc? or is it just defense on weak grounders/popups? which one should i keep?? Attached Images

11-29-2018, 05:05 AM	#3
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11-29-2018, 09:40 AM	#6
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,803	I would keep Grandal... __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android

11-29-2018, 11:05 AM	#9
zrog2000 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 1,339	74 Molina live is a pretty good alternative to both Ramos and Grandal. I've found that catchers have a really time living up to their batting ratings in this game. Maybe small sample sizes... edit - and then I check out my team more carefully and notice that I have Omar Narvaez with a 140 OPS+ this year. But his defense is only 46 and my pitching stinks. I didn't realize that catcher defense improves pitching performance so it's time to move on from him. I also have Salvador Perez with a 10 OPS+ who I'm platooning with Narvaez and he has a 67 DEF. Last edited by zrog2000; 11-29-2018 at 11:09 AM.

11-28-2018, 10:29 PM	#2
entropyw65 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Colony, TX Posts: 58	I have Grandal. He's hitting .079 after 18 games.

11-29-2018, 07:34 AM	#4
ThePretender All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,331	I'd sell both to be honest, I don't love either catcher. Get a cheaper catcher and use the PP from both to fill other needs.

11-29-2018, 08:11 AM	#5
uschi_baerchen Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Buchholz in der Nordheide Posts: 91	Keep them both, put 1 on DH if necessary, these two guys will perform like Kris Bryant or Bryce Harper (3 - 4 WAR) and you will get not more than say 3000 for each of them.

11-29-2018, 10:02 AM	#7
captainbuttercream Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Indiana Posts: 109	Grandal is one of the best catchers available until you get into the insanely expensive diamond tier catchers. If your team is weak in other areas, it might be a good idea to sell both and pick up a cheap defensive only catcher.

11-29-2018, 10:06 AM	#8
SJM1583 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 85	I do have Jody Davis... but yeah, knowing that pitch framing is part of that i'm keep Grandal, case closed. wish we could make 1 for 1 deal, anyone want Ramos?

11-29-2018, 11:13 AM	#10
sharknut All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 1,124	I've had Grandal for two years and he never hit above .210. His lower rated backup hit better than he did both years. Last edited by sharknut; 11-29-2018 at 11:15 AM.

11-29-2018, 06:07 PM	#12
sharknut All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 1,124	Bob Boone rated 78 is a good bargain.

11-29-2018, 11:33 PM	#13
Janks Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 313	I had Boone in the Beta and he was great. Now, Gabby Hartnett is my starter pack gold. He was hitting .160 through May and he just went on a tear to be at .193 for the season. I was thinking about selling him to improve a few positions, but he is a 92 in ability and he is based on a .344 season. Now that he is showing his potential I'm glad I kept him. In the last week he is hitting .360 with 4 HR.

12-01-2018, 11:46 PM	#18
SJM1583 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 85	post script: I just pulled Buster Posey. this is apparently the only position i get cards at

12-02-2018, 01:56 AM	#19
Dogberry99 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Wichita Falls, TX Posts: 1,328	Gotta catch 'em all, eh? eh?