The Use of Leeches for Baseball Injury Recovery

[Cobby]

Dr. Stewart, my team trainer, is apparently having great success bringing back leeches as a treatment for baseball injuries...

Once again (see the Tonk and Bonk thread) this was a generated name, not one I applied (using my custom name file with nicknames-as-firstnames). I didn't even hire the guy - I inherited him as team trainer when I took over the Cardinals.

I'll bet a lot of my guys are playing hurt though rather than admitting their injuries and submitting to the leeches....

[NoOne]

i guarantee pro atheletes do at least one thing that hurts them and have been told otherwise or sold otherwise. same can be said for normal people but different motivations and contexts. e.g. supplements just make your u%$ne expensive and could cause all sorts of extra wear-n-tear on your renal system that, not joking, could have very serious repercussions down the road.

you joke about leeches, but it is still happening. it's billions of dollars worth of junk.. total junk that can't possibly fullfill promises made.

gnc, dieticians, and the like are not educated enough to make any claims regarding human biology. ffs, some <censored> argued with me that unpastuerized milk had fewer microbes than pastuerized... argued until they were blue in the face. clearly doesn't understand what happens when you heat liquids upto ~172degrees repeatedly and for specific amounts of time. it's good to have confidence in yourself up until the point of denying facts.

there are still snake oils and charms being peddled. people still dip babies into that cess-pool of a river, the ganges for luck or whatever. i saw a pill advertised that helps with memory! wow, neat! and, i really love the ad that goes on about 6 being greater than 1 as an argument for god knows what.

people will believe just about anything, if motivated and sold properly to them. they will buy all sorts of promises. saw a gf a long time ago lose bits of hair and a tooth or two because of her obsession over weight -- diet as well as pills.... of course, it wasn't the otc emphetamynes and lack of eating.. it was just stress. even when fooled and we know it, we still pretend the invisible clothes are real. ego gets in the way, again.

[bailey]

People die from prescription drugs while using them AS DIRECTED.

[NoOne]

that is not untrue, however, holistic health and the like has virtually no oversight over what they do.. . they have no method self-correction and peer review. to compare real science to 'leeches' and the like is hilarious.

one is, not figuratively speaking, magic. the other is based upon continual learning and study along with peer review to root out what's wrong and over time creating better and new ways to treat people. while wrong and sometimes misled, it's hard to deny the steady improvement since ~pastuer's contributions et al..

holistic health was "mainstream" healthcare for millenia... it didn't advance much and didn't provide many answers. whatever benefits arose from holistic health is literally dumb luck.

chew on enough roots and eventually you'll find a valarien root somewhere in the world don't need a brain for that level of discovery.

i watched a "guru" suck money from a dying woman. either that guy or someone else sold her "power stones" or some nonsense.. i've seen all sorts of similar deplorable behaviour taking advantage of desperate people. it's all fun and games until you start making people's future worse for selfish gain.

[bailey]

It's all about the money whether its alternative medicine or standard medicine. Do you really believe 80,000 people died from the flu last year? They even push getting your flu shot even after it is known that it is ineffective and even if it is possibly tainted.

[NoOne]

I totally agree about money being a very bad influence on the health industry... in fact it's gotten to the point where they should strip their tax exampt status from hospitals and such. they care about profit, not health care. it's not about public good/utility in anyway and never was (--the past is more likely worse than better on average).

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/diseas...ted_deaths.htm

that gives a more realistic evaluation. still a high number, relative to a something as simple as the flu. dehydration is a killer, no joke. don't understimate the severity just because you've never seen someone die from flu-related problems like dehydration.

yes, it really does kill upto tens of thousands a year... incredulity is a logical fallacy. also attacking a problem with one thing to make another look equal or equivalent isn't logical either.. regardless of all the problems real science has, it is not comparable to the utter lack of fact involved in holistic health. they aren't the same.. even when they both act greedily... one is based on science and fact.. the other preys on fear and ignorance. self-correction will occur in the health industry... just not likely in my lifetime. that can't be said of holistic health.. it was a scam to start and will remain a scam always.

i am definiteyl anti-flu shot for any healthy person. the advertising preys on the lack of understanding to boost sales for sure. it protects agains X number of strains of virus that they *think* will be prevalent this year... key words are "think" and limited numbers of strains. dealing with weak correlations and guessing.. bah to that.

the old and or anyone with a immune system-related problem should probably get one. assuming not so weak that a mild reaction to vaccine wouldn't be a problem, of course. oh, health workers should get one -- a real value to them too.

for the healthy, make sure to drink lots of fluids while sick.. the majority of flu-rated deaths can be avoided with a little sophistication and knowledge.


tainted vaccines? beside accidents, this sounds close to blaming them for autism, which is just... i don't have words that wouldn't be censored for that sort of thought. any company that doesn't recall them or make them in a safe way will be sued into non-existence in short time. temporary issue.

[joefromchicago]

Ahem... getting back to, you know, the topics of baseball and OOTP:

Originally Posted by Cobby

Once again (see the Tonk and Bonk thread) this was a generated name, not one I applied (using my custom name file with nicknames-as-firstnames). I didn't even hire the guy - I inherited him as team trainer when I took over the Cardinals.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, names their kid "Leech." In 2017, nobody in the US named their kid "Leech." In 1880, nobody named their kid "Leech." In the years in between, I'll wager that nobody named their kid "Leech." You can look it up. And "Leech" isn't one of the names included in the OOTP first_names.txt file.

You, however, say that you're using a custom names file. Well good for you! I encourage you to post it in the names & nations mods sub-forum. But you can't add the name "Leech" to your first-names file and then be surprised when someone in your game has the first name "Leech." That's a bit like Captain Renault in Casablanca:

[Cobby]

Originally Posted by joefromchicago

But you can't add the name "Leech" to your first-names file and then be surprised when someone in your game has the first name "Leech." That's a bit like Captain Renault in Casablanca:

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Ha! Yeah, I see your point. And if it were just a ballplayer named Leech, I'd enjoy it and try to think of a backstory - like maybe he was constantly borrowing money from his teammates or crashing at their places and having their wives feed him or something. Fun. But not thread-worthy. But when it happens to be a *trainer*, then that's really fun. Then you start wondering how a doctor might get the nickname Leech...

OK. OK. I admit. The thread idea was a little weak. But I did find the whole trainer-named-Leech thing amusing.

The other thing is, it is definitely possible to be surprised by my own names. I put a bunch of stuff in that file with very low probabilities and I've forgotten most of what I put in there. This was the first time in about 200 seasons that I've noticed Leech showing up. And to have it be a trainer...

Something similar happened for another deliciously named player called "Hum Bugbee". That's the first time I remember "Hum" showing up from my file too and to have it paired with the last name "Bugbee". So nice.

And I also loved "Red Couch".... not quite so rare, but also fun.

And just for fun, here are some of the other names from my latest save:

Pop Lally (better thought of as Lally, Pop)
Shorty Stump
Gut Funk
Mud Guy
Fat Back Nowak
Tree Gumm
Green Dean
Rube Ruth
Nighthawk King
Scrappy Bonk (aforementioned)
Moose Freeze
Junkyard Bear
Lobo Woolf (seriously? the only time Lobo shows up and the last name is Woolf????)

Now of course this would get tiresome if there were too many. Most of the time I just get Jim Johnson, and Charlie Dawkins and Frank Wilson kind of names. The ones I've mentioned have just been sprinkled in - I tried to estimate the percentage of players that had nicknames as firstnames in the 1920's and thereabouts and keep that ratio about the same.

I have no idea why these things amuse me so much, but they do.

But yeah.... my wavelength is a little different sometimes.

[Cryomaniac]

There are actually still a few legit uses for leeches in medicine iirc.

[damientheomen3]

Gonna try and make a facegen of a leech brb

[jeffw3000]

Originally Posted by joefromchicago

Ahem... getting back to, you know, the topics of baseball and OOTP:


Nobody, and I mean nobody, names their kid "Leech." In 2017, nobody in the US named their kid "Leech." In 1880, nobody named their kid "Leech." In the years in between, I'll wager that nobody named their kid "Leech." You can look it up. And "Leech" isn't one of the names included in the OOTP first_names.txt file.

You, however, say that you're using a custom names file. Well good for you! I encourage you to post it in the names & nations mods sub-forum. But you can't add the name "Leech" to your first-names file and then be surprised when someone in your game has the first name "Leech." That's a bit like Captain Renault in Casablanca:

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Thanks for helping me to find a name for my next born.

[joefromchicago]

Originally Posted by jeffw3000

Thanks for helping me to find a name for my next born.

Your daughter is so gonna' hate you.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by jeffw3000

Thanks for helping me to find a name for my next born.

Found Roose Bolton?

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by joefromchicago

Ahem... getting back to, you know, the topics of baseball and OOTP:


Nobody, and I mean nobody, names their kid "Leech." In 2017, nobody in the US named their kid "Leech." In 1880, nobody named their kid "Leech." In the years in between, I'll wager that nobody named their kid "Leech." You can look it up. And "Leech" isn't one of the names included in the OOTP first_names.txt file.

You, however, say that you're using a custom names file. Well good for you! I encourage you to post it in the names & nations mods sub-forum. But you can't add the name "Leech" to your first-names file and then be surprised when someone in your game has the first name "Leech." That's a bit like Captain Renault in Casablanca:

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brian leech was a big nhl star, eh? it's not that crazy of a name, should add it. was it leach? lol phonetically the same.

[Cobby]

Originally Posted by NoOne

brian leech was a big nhl star, eh? it's not that crazy of a name, should add it. was it leach? lol phonetically the same.

Leach (with an A) is definitely in the game. Here it is in my save paired (naturally) with one of the rare nicknames from my file... (at least we didn't get "Leech Leach")

[joefromchicago]

I assumed that I would not have to explain the difference between a first name and a last name.

I might have been mistaken.

[Cobby]

Originally Posted by joefromchicago

I assumed that I would not have to explain the difference between a first name and a last name.

I might have been mistaken.

Yeah, I'd been thinking too if I needed to explain the difference between a given name and a nickname that became commonly used in place of a given name... you know like Babe instead of George, Cy instead of Denton, Lefty instead of Robert, The Only instead of Ed, Satchel instead of Leroy, Rube instead of George... It was pretty common and I don't think baseball in the early 20th century feels right without having some of those. Which is sort of the point of Leech. And speaking of which (and to elevate the discussion a bit) I stumbled over this article recently...

http://research.sabr.org/journals/an...ball-nicknames

It's interesting how the use of baseball nicknames plunges starting around 1950. This article though doesn't differentiate between Nicknames-as-first-names (like Babe Ruth) vs. the nicknames-in-quotes that we're used to in OOTP e.g. Babe "Sultan of Swat" Ruth. You never hear "here comes Sultan of Swat Ruth" but you do hear "there's Babe Ruth". I expect people only very rarely said "oh, there's George Ruth"

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by joefromchicago

I assumed that I would not have to explain the difference between a first name and a last name.

I might have been mistaken.

well the espn guy always makes fun of people with two first names

there are plenty of names that are interchangeable. plus some names are just crazy in RL...

i really though "Coco" was coco crisps' real name... it wouldn't be that far-fatched. i knew of a pair of twins name dejuan and spelling phonetically here - da-udda-juan. ffs...i have a cousin with a made up new name too, lol. you'll never see it in a random name dictionary, i guarantee!

given name, nickname, surname... all arbitrary and plenty of exceptions to use them as a rule written in stone. some culture actually go by nicknames en masse, like thailand. "tiger" woods is his middle name? but it's his nickname if not. relates back to the nickname thing one way or another.