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Old 09-27-2018, 04:17 AM   #1
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Question I noticed a bizarre error/paradox in the 1958 Western League

In the 1958 Western League there seem to be two teams called the Bruins, the Des Moines Bruins, and the Pueblo Bruins. I believe this is an error, although I can't exactly figure out how. Some sources refer to the Pueblo team as the Dodgers, others refer to the Des Moines team as the Dodgers. My guess is that the latter is correct as the Pueblo team was associated with the Cubs in 1958 and the Des Moines team was associated with the Dodgers. Either way, I would be curious if anyone could find any pictures/info on the Pueblo Bruins, I'd love to know what their uniforms looked like.
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Old 09-27-2018, 09:59 AM   #2
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BR Bullpen, Baseball-Reference.com's version of wikipedia, It lists Pueblo as the Dodgers and Des Moines as the Bruins shown here...


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although not completely infallible, they're more often than not correct.


The Pueblo Dodgers are listed as being in the Western League for 1947 to 1958. The Des Moines Bruins from 1947 to 1958 as well.
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Old 09-27-2018, 02:56 PM   #3
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BR Bullpen, Baseball-Reference.com's version of wikipedia, It lists Pueblo as the Dodgers and Des Moines as the Bruins shown here...


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although not completely infallible, they're more often than not correct.


The Pueblo Dodgers are listed as being in the Western League for 1947 to 1958. The Des Moines Bruins from 1947 to 1958 as well.
Baseball reference contradicts it though.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...gi?id=6d711164
https://www.statscrew.com/minorbaseb...dd11243/y-1958
as does Statscrew.
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Having access to a newspaper archive, I consulted the Des Moines Register. The issue of July 29, 1958, has a page one story about the local baseball team. It begins, "The old and the new in Des Moines baseball tonight begin a five game stand at Pioneer Memorial Stadium when the Dodgers take on the Pueblo Bruins at 7:45 o'clock."

"The old and the new" referred to the fact that the Pueblo team was "well stocked with former Des Moines players".

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Old 09-27-2018, 07:50 PM   #5
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Having access to a newspaper archive, I consulted the Des Moines Register. The issue of July 29, 1958, has a page one story about the local baseball team. It begins, "The old and the new in Des Moines baseball tonight begin a five game stand at Pioneer Memorial Stadium when the Dodgers take on the Pueblo Bruins at 7:45 o'clock."

"The old and the new" referred to the fact that the Pueblo team was "well stocked with former Des Moines players".
Could you get me a scan of that article? I think I'll post a bug report on here so that the devs can change it in the game, and then find a way to contact Baseball Reference to change it. I don't suppose you could find any pictures of the Pueblo Bruins in that archive?
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Old 09-27-2018, 08:36 PM   #6
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Having access to a newspaper archive, I consulted the Des Moines Register. The issue of July 29, 1958, has a page one story about the local baseball team. It begins, "The old and the new in Des Moines baseball tonight begin a five game stand at Pioneer Memorial Stadium when the Dodgers take on the Pueblo Bruins at 7:45 o'clock."
The Encyclopedia of Minor League Baseball —Third Edition agrees: Puebla Bruins and Des Moines Dodgers.
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Old 09-27-2018, 10:16 PM   #7
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Could you get me a scan of that article? I think I'll post a bug report on here so that the devs can change it in the game, and then find a way to contact Baseball Reference to change it. I don't suppose you could find any pictures of the Pueblo Bruins in that archive?
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Fixed
Looks like its still incorrect. Any word on when this will be fixed?
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It is fixed and ready for the next release. That will probably be OOTP20.
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We still have the Perfect Team patch coming, so the "next release" will likely be part of 19.
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