Too Few Captains? Desire To Win?

jimmysthebestcop · 06-19-2018, 12:27 AM

What is everyone's theory or ideas about overall number of captains?

I usually only see between 30-40 captains in the entire MLB and MiLB combined default setup. Out of 230 pages all of the captains fit on 1 page. Team chemistry is really interesting and I like it a lot. But I am thinking Captains need a reworking.

I actually think Loyalty should be completely eliminated from the equation. That has to do with signing extensions with current team not being a team captain. Loyalty really influences all of the personality traits too much I think. Some places it makes sense. Some it doesn't.

The willingness to be a free agent shouldn't have anything to do with being a team captain. I would say a team captain in game terms would be leadership, work ethic, and desire to win. The Captain holds the clubhouse together what does his organization loyalty have to do with anything?

All team captains have that desire to win. Which team or which contract is business level decisions best left to agents in these times. No team captain wants to stay on a losing team. Teams even trade those players later so they can be on a winning team.

Probably should be around 100 team captains in the entire MLB/MiLB universe at any given time. That way older guys or declining guys can go back and forth to Indy or Overseas and maybe back to the show.

Critical Mass · 06-19-2018, 09:31 AM

Hypothetical situation:

Team is in the playoff race. Captain is up for Free Agency at the end of the season. Who whould YOU have more respect for?

Captain A, who wants to win, but also cares about his stats because he wants to score a big contract

Or

Captain B, who wants to renegotiate now, because he loves the city, loves the fans, and wants to bring home not just one championship, but several

BirdWatcher · 06-19-2018, 10:28 AM

I guess my feeling has always been that a true captain, in both the real world and in the game, is a rarity and should be. Now, in my experience, absent a true captain a team can still be very successful with a few strong leaders and they effectively take the place of a captain. If you can get a true captain, even better. But my feeling is that they are about as rare as they should be.
I don't have a strong opinion about whether high loyalty should be part of the makeup of a captain. I can think of some real life examples that could support either way of looking at this, though my sense is that most of the people we think of foremost as captains did stay with one team most, if not all, of their careers.
Having said all of this, in my experience it has not been that difficult to obtain and keep a captain on my team. Do every one of my minor league clubs have captains? No. But I can always supplement with a lot of high character leader-types.

SirMichaelJordan · 06-19-2018, 12:02 PM

Loyalty pretty much separate a team captain from a leader. Captains are usually with a team for a number of season or entire career...

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jimmysthebestcop · 06-20-2018, 01:30 AM

I actually was incorrect it was 1 page out of of nearly 500 pages of players. I think that is too few captains.

I would also go for a complete reconfigure of the captain titles. Where it has to be a veteran player who has been on the same team for 3 or 4 years and also is a leader and high work ethic. That makes more sense.

The way it works now. You can find a captain in A- ball and promote him to MLB and he is still a team captain. Or purchase a players from Mexico who is a captain and now will be a MLB team captain with in game benefits. That makes no sense. He could still be a rookie leader it happens. But not a captain. Service time to 1 team should come into play.

And then say after 6 or 7 MLB years you can carry the captain tag with you to any other team you sign with or get traded too.

06-19-2018, 12:27 AM	#1
jimmysthebestcop Banned Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 1,727 Infractions: 0/2 (5)	Too Few Captains? Desire To Win? What is everyone's theory or ideas about overall number of captains? I usually only see between 30-40 captains in the entire MLB and MiLB combined default setup. Out of 230 pages all of the captains fit on 1 page. Team chemistry is really interesting and I like it a lot. But I am thinking Captains need a reworking. I actually think Loyalty should be completely eliminated from the equation. That has to do with signing extensions with current team not being a team captain. Loyalty really influences all of the personality traits too much I think. Some places it makes sense. Some it doesn't. The willingness to be a free agent shouldn't have anything to do with being a team captain. I would say a team captain in game terms would be leadership, work ethic, and desire to win. The Captain holds the clubhouse together what does his organization loyalty have to do with anything? All team captains have that desire to win. Which team or which contract is business level decisions best left to agents in these times. No team captain wants to stay on a losing team. Teams even trade those players later so they can be on a winning team. Probably should be around 100 team captains in the entire MLB/MiLB universe at any given time. That way older guys or declining guys can go back and forth to Indy or Overseas and maybe back to the show.

06-19-2018, 12:02 PM	#4
SirMichaelJordan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,716	Too Few Captains? Desire To Win? Loyalty pretty much separate a team captain from a leader. Captains are usually with a team for a number of season or entire career... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last edited by SirMichaelJordan; 06-19-2018 at 12:05 PM.

06-19-2018, 09:31 AM	#2
Critical Mass Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 273	Hypothetical situation: Team is in the playoff race. Captain is up for Free Agency at the end of the season. Who whould YOU have more respect for? Captain A, who wants to win, but also cares about his stats because he wants to score a big contract Or Captain B, who wants to renegotiate now, because he loves the city, loves the fans, and wants to bring home not just one championship, but several

06-19-2018, 10:28 AM	#3
BirdWatcher Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 4,263	I guess my feeling has always been that a true captain, in both the real world and in the game, is a rarity and should be. Now, in my experience, absent a true captain a team can still be very successful with a few strong leaders and they effectively take the place of a captain. If you can get a true captain, even better. But my feeling is that they are about as rare as they should be. I don't have a strong opinion about whether high loyalty should be part of the makeup of a captain. I can think of some real life examples that could support either way of looking at this, though my sense is that most of the people we think of foremost as captains did stay with one team most, if not all, of their careers. Having said all of this, in my experience it has not been that difficult to obtain and keep a captain on my team. Do every one of my minor league clubs have captains? No. But I can always supplement with a lot of high character leader-types.

06-20-2018, 01:30 AM	#5
jimmysthebestcop Banned Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 1,727 Infractions: 0/2 (5)	I actually was incorrect it was 1 page out of of nearly 500 pages of players. I think that is too few captains. I would also go for a complete reconfigure of the captain titles. Where it has to be a veteran player who has been on the same team for 3 or 4 years and also is a leader and high work ethic. That makes more sense. The way it works now. You can find a captain in A- ball and promote him to MLB and he is still a team captain. Or purchase a players from Mexico who is a captain and now will be a MLB team captain with in game benefits. That makes no sense. He could still be a rookie leader it happens. But not a captain. Service time to 1 team should come into play. And then say after 6 or 7 MLB years you can carry the captain tag with you to any other team you sign with or get traded too.