Trade Frustration

jslmsca · 05-13-2018, 06:58 PM

//rant on

I like that I can set up what I'm looking for and will eventually get an offer. It saves a lot of time.

However, the email is always "Player X might be a guy you're looking for. Let's discuss the details." When I go to the trading interface, my side of the trade is always empty and every combination of players is always an "insult".

I've tried to be realistic in my offers, matching the opposing team's needs. But everything seems to be an insult.

I like that the AI GMs are initiating trades but I wish they would go one step further and tell me what they are looking for. When I click "Make this trade work now", it always says there is no player that would make this work. Huh? They why did you send the email in the first place?

Enjoying the heck out of OOTP19 -- a couple of hundred hours in

-- but this part of the game frustrates me.

//rant off

r0nster · 05-13-2018, 07:01 PM

when you click on discuss trade you will see what they are in need of in color of red green is obviously good. that's one indication it isn't specific as in players but at least by position

screamincheetah · 07-17-2018, 02:17 AM

The other GM offers a nice prospect... I click "Make it Work"... GM says "you have no players to make this work." ... OR... GM offers 3 star prospect... you counter with 3 star prospect... GM laughs at you... you add another 3 star... "no dice"... You keep adding good prospects just to see what happens until you're offering five high quality prospects for his one decent prospect... and still, the offer is an insult.

Nobody gave good reasoning for this to the OP so I figured I'd bump it since I'm encountering the same issue in my first full off season....lots of offers... no way to make them work. What's the point?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jslmsca

//rant on

I like that I can set up what I'm looking for and will eventually get an offer. It saves a lot of time.

However, the email is always "Player X might be a guy you're looking for. Let's discuss the details." When I go to the trading interface, my side of the trade is always empty and every combination of players is always an "insult".

I've tried to be realistic in my offers, matching the opposing team's needs. But everything seems to be an insult.

I like that the AI GMs are initiating trades but I wish they would go one step further and tell me what they are looking for. When I click "Make this trade work now", it always says there is no player that would make this work. Huh? They why did you send the email in the first place?

Enjoying the heck out of OOTP19 -- a couple of hundred hours in

-- but this part of the game frustrates me.

//rant off

jimmysthebestcop · 07-17-2018, 05:36 AM

Depends if your in challenge mode as trading gets bumped up or if you changed your settings for AI trading.

Then it's if they are a valued prospect. Usually high draft pick or int free agent signing. AI wants more for those guys.

For instance you trying to trade for a former 1st round pick prospect you might have to give up 4 or 5 studs prospects who are also high draft picks.

Plus if OSA has their prospect in top 100 asking price shoots up. Then it depends on teams and their GM's.

Even in challenge you can pull off many trades. I prob make 3 dozen moves a year. A lot is just moving minor Leaguers around. And don't really effect either team but I pull off a couple quality.

If I want that 1 stud prospect arm might have to ship off 3 of my stud arms and 2 bats prospects.

WIUPIKE · 07-17-2018, 09:18 AM

Matt mentioned this numerous times in other threads. This occurs when you set team needs, the AI cannot find a one for one match so sends you an email stating this player may interest you. These are meant to begin negotiations on a multiple player for 1, it is more of a plug and play to see if something will work.

These types of trade offers go away when you remove team needs.

Jtward9 · 07-17-2018, 09:30 AM

I do find trading to be a bit unrealistic sometimes. For example, I just need a bench guy for some positional depth. I've offered 5 star talent and sometimes that was turned down or that's where the opposing teams started talking to me. Granted, it was in challenge mode, but it felt more like I was playing in "Impossible Mode"
And at the same time, I can offer up a guy and get a king's ransom in return.
Go figure?

Critical Mass · 07-17-2018, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jtward9

And at the same time, I can offer up a guy and get a king's ransom in return.
Go figure?

I'd like to see tha happen once in a while
Usually just asking to throw in a 16th round pick is enough for the AI to can c.f. el the deal.

schreck · 07-17-2018, 12:51 PM

I was about to start a thread about my offseason free agent frustration, but figure it's similar to this. I actually am generally pretty happy with the trading.

But right now, I'm in the offseason as the Yankees. Judge has been a beast, and is rated an 80 as a 30y/o. I spent the past few seasons trying to sign Judge to an extension, but he always wanted over $30m a year long-term. No way. I made several offers for like 5 years and AAV of like $28m+, no bites. So I offered him the QO, he declined.

He starts with a demand of like $32m/y for 8 years. I offer something like $29m/5 years, which is still crazy and making me nervous. He says no. Go through a few back and forths like that. Give him opt outs, add a 6th year, still not good enough, demands like $32m/y for 6 years.

Then suddenly, after just a few days of this, boom, he signs with Toronto for 6 years $25.6m/yr. Opt out at 4 years plus 6th year is a team option. What the hell? I'm still actively offering him more than that each day, and he suddenly takes the lower offer?

This has happened a few times over the past few seasons, and actually happened on the same exact 'day' with an international FA I was working on at the same time, who took a lower offer right after telling me my higher one wasn't high enough.

I know some guys will give a better deal to one team or another for various reasons, but in many of the cases I've seen, they settle for $5+m/yr less than they demand from me. It's fine once in a while, but is especially frustrating that it happens with players that have been stars for your team for 5 or 6 years, won titles, awards, etc,.

Just seems like something that needs tweaking so there's more back and forth somehow, feels cheap to get outbid by lower offers after literally 3-5 game days of negotiating.

schreck · 07-17-2018, 01:35 PM

So now I'll have a quick rant on trades to add to my previous post. Wanted to do a quick test. So it's still the day Toronto announced the Judge signing. I tried trading for him, and see that they are actually "Rebuilding". Why the heck is a rebuilding team signing a 30+ year old to a 6 year $25m contract? That obviously is not happening in the game anymore. On top of that, it also put them $850k in the red. They were willing to trade him, but only for established stars. If they are rebuilding, wouldn't they want prospects? Also, why sign a guy and already be willing to trade him the same day?

I also went to the International FA to check what a trade would take for him. So he's 33 and signed for 5 years at $19m/year. He's an 80 ovr with 60+ratings for every offensive category (20/80 scale). They are willing to trade him for basically any lower paid player or prospect on my team, I could throw any 20 ovr/20potential player I want to. So on the day they sign him, they are already looking to salary dump him.

I know this is probably crazy hard to program and balance, so not complaining. The trade off of having to have some self-restraint and house rules is fine with all the amazing things the game does, but if there are ways to work on these finer points it would go a long way.

05-13-2018, 06:58 PM	#1
jslmsca All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Calgary Posts: 603	Trade Frustration //rant on I like that I can set up what I'm looking for and will eventually get an offer. It saves a lot of time. However, the email is always "Player X might be a guy you're looking for. Let's discuss the details." When I go to the trading interface, my side of the trade is always empty and every combination of players is always an "insult". I've tried to be realistic in my offers, matching the opposing team's needs. But everything seems to be an insult. I like that the AI GMs are initiating trades but I wish they would go one step further and tell me what they are looking for. When I click "Make this trade work now", it always says there is no player that would make this work. Huh? They why did you send the email in the first place? Enjoying the heck out of OOTP19 -- a couple of hundred hours in -- but this part of the game frustrates me. //rant off

05-13-2018, 07:01 PM	#2
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,082	when you click on discuss trade you will see what they are in need of in color of red green is obviously good. that's one indication it isn't specific as in players but at least by position

07-17-2018, 05:36 AM	#4
jimmysthebestcop Banned Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 1,727 Infractions: 0/2 (5)	Depends if your in challenge mode as trading gets bumped up or if you changed your settings for AI trading. Then it's if they are a valued prospect. Usually high draft pick or int free agent signing. AI wants more for those guys. For instance you trying to trade for a former 1st round pick prospect you might have to give up 4 or 5 studs prospects who are also high draft picks. Plus if OSA has their prospect in top 100 asking price shoots up. Then it depends on teams and their GM's. Even in challenge you can pull off many trades. I prob make 3 dozen moves a year. A lot is just moving minor Leaguers around. And don't really effect either team but I pull off a couple quality. If I want that 1 stud prospect arm might have to ship off 3 of my stud arms and 2 bats prospects.

07-17-2018, 09:18 AM	#5
WIUPIKE All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nashville Area Posts: 1,273	Matt mentioned this numerous times in other threads. This occurs when you set team needs, the AI cannot find a one for one match so sends you an email stating this player may interest you. These are meant to begin negotiations on a multiple player for 1, it is more of a plug and play to see if something will work. These types of trade offers go away when you remove team needs.

07-17-2018, 09:30 AM	#6
Jtward9 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 45	I do find trading to be a bit unrealistic sometimes. For example, I just need a bench guy for some positional depth. I've offered 5 star talent and sometimes that was turned down or that's where the opposing teams started talking to me. Granted, it was in challenge mode, but it felt more like I was playing in "Impossible Mode" And at the same time, I can offer up a guy and get a king's ransom in return. Go figure?

07-17-2018, 12:51 PM	#8
schreck Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 53	I was about to start a thread about my offseason free agent frustration, but figure it's similar to this. I actually am generally pretty happy with the trading. But right now, I'm in the offseason as the Yankees. Judge has been a beast, and is rated an 80 as a 30y/o. I spent the past few seasons trying to sign Judge to an extension, but he always wanted over $30m a year long-term. No way. I made several offers for like 5 years and AAV of like $28m+, no bites. So I offered him the QO, he declined. He starts with a demand of like $32m/y for 8 years. I offer something like $29m/5 years, which is still crazy and making me nervous. He says no. Go through a few back and forths like that. Give him opt outs, add a 6th year, still not good enough, demands like $32m/y for 6 years. Then suddenly, after just a few days of this, boom, he signs with Toronto for 6 years $25.6m/yr. Opt out at 4 years plus 6th year is a team option. What the hell? I'm still actively offering him more than that each day, and he suddenly takes the lower offer? This has happened a few times over the past few seasons, and actually happened on the same exact 'day' with an international FA I was working on at the same time, who took a lower offer right after telling me my higher one wasn't high enough. I know some guys will give a better deal to one team or another for various reasons, but in many of the cases I've seen, they settle for $5+m/yr less than they demand from me. It's fine once in a while, but is especially frustrating that it happens with players that have been stars for your team for 5 or 6 years, won titles, awards, etc,. Just seems like something that needs tweaking so there's more back and forth somehow, feels cheap to get outbid by lower offers after literally 3-5 game days of negotiating.

07-17-2018, 01:35 PM	#9
schreck Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 53	So now I'll have a quick rant on trades to add to my previous post. Wanted to do a quick test. So it's still the day Toronto announced the Judge signing. I tried trading for him, and see that they are actually "Rebuilding". Why the heck is a rebuilding team signing a 30+ year old to a 6 year $25m contract? That obviously is not happening in the game anymore. On top of that, it also put them $850k in the red. They were willing to trade him, but only for established stars. If they are rebuilding, wouldn't they want prospects? Also, why sign a guy and already be willing to trade him the same day? I also went to the International FA to check what a trade would take for him. So he's 33 and signed for 5 years at $19m/year. He's an 80 ovr with 60+ratings for every offensive category (20/80 scale). They are willing to trade him for basically any lower paid player or prospect on my team, I could throw any 20 ovr/20potential player I want to. So on the day they sign him, they are already looking to salary dump him. I know this is probably crazy hard to program and balance, so not complaining. The trade off of having to have some self-restraint and house rules is fine with all the amazing things the game does, but if there are ways to work on these finer points it would go a long way.