Does anyone have a list of offseason/preseason financial deadlines?

Qeltar · 05-01-2018, 12:31 PM

Some of these are shown in the game, but most aren't. Searching the manual wasn't too fruitful either.

Basically, I have several months to figure out a bunch of things and I don't know what has to be done when.

Types of things I keep wondering about:

1. When are budget decisions like scouting/development "fixed"?

2. By when do I need to demote major leaguers to the minors to avoid them automatically getting MLB contracts?

3. By when do I need to cull minor leaguers to avoid them automatically getting MiLB contracts?

4. Do I only need to protect players from Rule 5 before the day of the draft or is there an earlier deadline? I wonder because the game talks about a draft pool being announced.

Anything else important? I know about the arb deadlines.

Thanks.

RchW · 05-01-2018, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qeltar

Some of these are shown in the game, but most aren't. Searching the manual wasn't too fruitful either.

Basically, I have several months to figure out a bunch of things and I don't know what has to be done when.

Types of things I keep wondering about:

1. When are budget decisions like scouting/development "fixed"?

2. By when do I need to demote major leaguers to the minors to avoid them automatically getting MLB contracts?

3. By when do I need to cull minor leaguers to avoid them automatically getting MiLB contracts?

4. Do I only need to protect players from Rule 5 before the day of the draft or is there an earlier deadline? I wonder because the game talks about a draft pool being announced.

Anything else important? I know about the arb deadlines.

Thanks.

1. Not sure but I see them under controlled budgets on my front office page and also on the player development tab. I think the actual notification comes as preseason begins in late January. I'll be there soon and let you know.

2. It's not that simple. You must get any player on an auto renew mlb contract off the 40-man roster. That includes minor league players on the 40-man with mlb contracts. Since the active roster in the offseason is the 40-man then you must DFA and waive them. Demoting a 25-man (in season) roster player to the minors after the season does nothing to his active roster status, his contract situation, or arb. For players not on auto renew you will have arb to deal with.

3. Not sure what you mean. Every player without a mlb contract is on a milb contract that is auto renewed until minor league FA (human player choice ie 6 years in the financial tab) is reached. AFAIK these contracts cost you nothing in-game. If I were to guess you should release (and I don't know why you would care) any milb player before arbitration is set. Just a guess though. I tend to release milb layers at the start of the offseason.

4. Day of I think. I always do it the day before.

Hope this helps!

Qeltar · 05-01-2018, 03:26 PM

Thanks for the replies.

Yeah I am wondering when the deadlines are for removing players off the 40-man.

I didn't realize that OOTP had abstracted away MiLB contract costs. I thought I was paying $50k or something a piece, which isn't a lot per player but adds up.

NoOne · 05-01-2018, 04:25 PM

if they are on the 40-man you are paying them at least 535k, i think, and using an option when you send back down. as long as they don't accrue 172 days of ml service time they are still "rookies" and remain at that 535k level auto-renew until they get 2-3 years service time. (can only gain 1 per calendar year)

you don't want anyone on the 40-man unless they need to be. you can bring them to ST without putting on 40-man. the ai fills this up over the offseason needlessly.

use the 40man for depth and players running out of mil control if they don't re-sign or headed for a likely rule 5 selection by another team. always leave wiggle room.. 32-35 headed into season is optimal.

i prefer to stick around 32-33 and bring up the aaa-prosects, if needed. but it starts the proverbial clock and they will cost money even if not accruing ML service time after you send back to minors. if you need more than ~7 extra mil/mlb depth contracts on 40-man with a few prospects and 40-man spots open, if needed, you aren't going anywhere with that many injuries at one time anyway.

budgets fix at day one of preseason or ST, i forgoet.. just check at each of those points and you know.

RchW · 05-01-2018, 05:06 PM

Everybody with a mlb contract must be on the 40-man roster.

Not everybody on the 40-man roster has a mlb contract.

Qeltar · 05-01-2018, 06:04 PM

Thanks for the replies.

Trying to decide if I should leave some spots on the roster for the Rule 5 draft. How often does that end up being useful? Even for a rebuilding team I am not sure I want to carry another team's cast-offs for a whole season. And I have a lot of my own prospects to protect...

BirdWatcher · 05-01-2018, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Qeltar

Thanks for the replies.

Trying to decide if I should leave some spots on the roster for the Rule 5 draft. How often does that end up being useful? Even for a rebuilding team I am not sure I want to carry another team's cast-offs for a whole season. And I have a lot of my own prospects to protect...

I would imagine this can depend a great deal on the kind of league and league settings one is playing, but I have had some great success with Rule 5 guys, including having one win Rookie-of-the-Year while on my team. I certainly don't draft someone every year, but every year I look for a gem and never really got burned yet. Great way, at the very least, to fill a utility role cheaply.

Qeltar · 05-01-2018, 06:32 PM

Thanks. I'll leave a couple of spots open.

I've mostly filled in my holes with trading at this point. I think starting next year I am going to turn trading up from "Average" to "Hard" as it's just too easy to get "steals" from other teams that probably have worse scouts. (Mind you, I DO spend a fortune on scouting!)

Qeltar · 05-01-2018, 06:45 PM

Incidentally, is there any way to keep a minor league FA without giving them a major league contract (which of course is what they all want?) I have a few guys "on the bubble." At least one has the potential to be good in a couple of years, but he's simply not ready.

Qeltar · 05-01-2018, 09:45 PM

So, oddly, the game appears to have auto-renewed all the guys for 2019 as soon as the FA filing date was hit in November 2018. Did not expect that.

But maybe even though it says they have a contract for 2019 it has no real effect if they are removed from the roster before actual play begins in March 2019?

Boy the life of a GM is a confusing one.

whaleheader · 05-05-2018, 10:27 PM

I had the same thing happen to me. The deadline might be the arb deadline. I’m doing some testing and will find out when I have some time. Non-Tender Deadline should be an event.

Qeltar · 05-06-2018, 09:17 AM

I believe it's the FA filing deadline, which is 2 days after the arbitration deadline.

And yes, I agree, it should be clearly specified.

05-01-2018, 12:31 PM	#1
Qeltar Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 382	Does anyone have a list of offseason/preseason financial deadlines? Some of these are shown in the game, but most aren't. Searching the manual wasn't too fruitful either. Basically, I have several months to figure out a bunch of things and I don't know what has to be done when. Types of things I keep wondering about: 1. When are budget decisions like scouting/development "fixed"? 2. By when do I need to demote major leaguers to the minors to avoid them automatically getting MLB contracts? 3. By when do I need to cull minor leaguers to avoid them automatically getting MiLB contracts? 4. Do I only need to protect players from Rule 5 before the day of the draft or is there an earlier deadline? I wonder because the game talks about a draft pool being announced. Anything else important? I know about the arb deadlines. Thanks. Last edited by Qeltar; 05-01-2018 at 12:34 PM.

05-01-2018, 04:25 PM	#4
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	if they are on the 40-man you are paying them at least 535k, i think, and using an option when you send back down. as long as they don't accrue 172 days of ml service time they are still "rookies" and remain at that 535k level auto-renew until they get 2-3 years service time. (can only gain 1 per calendar year) you don't want anyone on the 40-man unless they need to be. you can bring them to ST without putting on 40-man. the ai fills this up over the offseason needlessly. use the 40man for depth and players running out of mil control if they don't re-sign or headed for a likely rule 5 selection by another team. always leave wiggle room.. 32-35 headed into season is optimal. i prefer to stick around 32-33 and bring up the aaa-prosects, if needed. but it starts the proverbial clock and they will cost money even if not accruing ML service time after you send back to minors. if you need more than ~7 extra mil/mlb depth contracts on 40-man with a few prospects and 40-man spots open, if needed, you aren't going anywhere with that many injuries at one time anyway. budgets fix at day one of preseason or ST, i forgoet.. just check at each of those points and you know. Last edited by NoOne; 05-01-2018 at 04:29 PM.

05-01-2018, 05:06 PM	#5
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05-01-2018, 09:45 PM	#10
Qeltar Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 382	So, oddly, the game appears to have auto-renewed all the guys for 2019 as soon as the FA filing date was hit in November 2018. Did not expect that. But maybe even though it says they have a contract for 2019 it has no real effect if they are removed from the roster before actual play begins in March 2019? Boy the life of a GM is a confusing one. Last edited by Qeltar; 05-01-2018 at 09:46 PM.

05-01-2018, 03:26 PM	#3
Qeltar Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 382	Thanks for the replies. Yeah I am wondering when the deadlines are for removing players off the 40-man. I didn't realize that OOTP had abstracted away MiLB contract costs. I thought I was paying $50k or something a piece, which isn't a lot per player but adds up.

05-01-2018, 06:04 PM	#6
Qeltar Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 382	Thanks for the replies. Trying to decide if I should leave some spots on the roster for the Rule 5 draft. How often does that end up being useful? Even for a rebuilding team I am not sure I want to carry another team's cast-offs for a whole season. And I have a lot of my own prospects to protect...

05-01-2018, 06:32 PM	#8
Qeltar Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 382	Thanks. I'll leave a couple of spots open. I've mostly filled in my holes with trading at this point. I think starting next year I am going to turn trading up from "Average" to "Hard" as it's just too easy to get "steals" from other teams that probably have worse scouts. (Mind you, I DO spend a fortune on scouting!)

05-01-2018, 06:45 PM	#9
Qeltar Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 382	Incidentally, is there any way to keep a minor league FA without giving them a major league contract (which of course is what they all want?) I have a few guys "on the bubble." At least one has the potential to be good in a couple of years, but he's simply not ready.

05-05-2018, 10:27 PM	#11
whaleheader Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 312	I had the same thing happen to me. The deadline might be the arb deadline. I’m doing some testing and will find out when I have some time. Non-Tender Deadline should be an event.

05-06-2018, 09:17 AM	#12
Qeltar Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 382	I believe it's the FA filing deadline, which is 2 days after the arbitration deadline. And yes, I agree, it should be clearly specified.