Other than hiring a trainer, any way to prevent injuries?

Qeltar · 04-28-2018, 10:22 AM

I just paid out the nose for a very expensive trainer with excellent ratings, and in less than a month have lost both a member of my starting rotation and a key offensive player/prospect to major injuries (like, all of this season and probably through spring training next year). Pretty bloody frustrating.

I realize nothing is guaranteed, it's a small sample size, and it could just be bad luck but these are worse than any injuries anyone got before I hired this new trainer. Wondering if there's anything else I need to do.

To add insult to injury (literally) the position player, a very good young player, is supposed to be "Durable." I guess not.

I just checked and this is the only position player in all of MLB in my game aged 25 or under who has a major injury. With a top notch trainer and "Durable" rating?!

ETA: Is there any chance my overpriced trainer might make these injuries heal a bit faster so at least I have these guys back next year?

Thanks.

Curve Ball Dave · 04-28-2018, 10:57 AM

Heh, the only way to avoid injuries is for guys to not play.

You're having some bad luck, it happens.

Orcin · 04-28-2018, 10:57 AM

Hiring a great trainer doesn't guarantee that you won't have injuries. It's a really small sample size - only a month. It could just be bad luck.

Qeltar · 04-28-2018, 11:06 AM

I just had two more guys, in the minors, go down with "undiagnosed" injuries, which usually means bad ones.

Why did I spend millions on this trainer again?

Some of the RNG stuff in this game is exasperating. Some of the injuries make no sense in terms of how they happen, and the development is also random and inconsistent.

Sorry, just very frustrated right now. The temptation to just cheat this stuff away is strong, but then I guess it's not much of a challenge if everything always goes right.

Mets52 · 04-28-2018, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qeltar

I just had two more guys, in the minors, go down with "undiagnosed" injuries, which usually means bad ones.

Why did I spend millions on this trainer again?

Some of the RNG stuff in this game is exasperating. Some of the injuries make no sense in terms of how they happen, and the development is also random and inconsistent.

Sorry, just very frustrated right now. The temptation to just cheat this stuff away is strong, but then I guess it's not much of a challenge if everything always goes right.

As is real baseball. A lot of it is chance. Some seasons I have nothing but a few DTD injuries, others everyone is out for the season. It happens.

5-4-3 · 04-28-2018, 01:41 PM

Some seasons you eat the bear, some seasons the bear eats you. It’s just luck.

Many people have great difficulty dealing with luck or random number generators. They are perfectly happy when everything works out to their benefit, but when it doesn’t they start thinking the gods hate them or that the game is broken, when it’s not.

You have to learn to take the bad with the good.

Qeltar · 04-28-2018, 02:07 PM

Yep, you guys are right. Thanks.

It's sad to think that this prime prospect may now end up injury-riddled... it's a PCL tear, which I think is not as bad as an ACL tear, but I have no idea if that level of detail is programmed into the game. However, top prospects failing due to injury is very much a part of the game.

Part of this is my own inexperience and impatience. It's my first season, I've worked REALLY hard to make something out of nothing, and it's hard to watch it sort of slip away...

Also, it's now past the trade deadline, there's not much more I can do to improve this team, I just have to play the games out and hope the guys in the lower minors work out.

Out of curiosity, are this kid's ratings also going to drop for the next year since he's out? I'd imagine so. Bummer.

NoOne · 04-28-2018, 02:19 PM

pay more attention to their injury ratings when drafting or signing FA -- if it is even visible. i think a setting can hide it.

don't play them while "too tired" .. no idea where it gets 'dangerous' but at least influenced by their injury rating too. days off for fielders as well as pitch counts for SP/RP -- in MiL this is automatically done to some extent... even by AAA i think it's roughly a ~90pitch count used at one time. a smaller pitch count at lower levels (going based on someone else's older post/memory, not something i key in on but should)

ratings can drop, but not guaranteed. he/they is/are more than likely fine. if he's young and it drops, it is ore likely scouting inaccuracy improving as he gains experience in your org. (all other factors the saem: your players are more accurately scouting than other org.'s. more pro years improves it too. age is also a factor)

Qeltar · 04-28-2018, 03:36 PM

I do pay attention, but he wasn't drafted, he was traded, had no history and was "durable."

Honestly I think I just need to give this game a break for a while. It's gotten extremely frustrating lately, nothing I do in-game works, nobody can pitch, nobody can hit. I put out pitchers with great ratings and they get shelled, and I face pitchers with crap ratings and get shut out.

As a manager I can't do anything about it, and as a GM, there's basically nothing to do in August but wait for September callups to play around with some prospects. This team played over its heads for a while but has now come back to earth.. hard. I guess I had hoped I had made real, permanent improvements but my expectations were probably set too high based on some early streaks that couldn't continue.

My owner wanted 81-81 for the year. My more realistic goal was 65-97. We are currently 58-58. Given all the turnover, lousy players and injuries, we are probably doing better than we should be.

But I'm perfectionistic and impatient.. a bad combination for this job.

Qeltar · 04-28-2018, 04:10 PM

Another injury to a position player.

There are 2 position players 25 or under on the DL in all of MLB, both are on my team.

LOL.

UltimateAverageGuy · 04-29-2018, 01:46 AM

Must be a bug, quit till its fixed

NoOne · 04-29-2018, 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qeltar

I do pay attention, but he wasn't drafted, he was traded, had no history and was "durable."

Honestly I think I just need to give this game a break for a while. It's gotten extremely frustrating lately, nothing I do in-game works, nobody can pitch, nobody can hit. I put out pitchers with great ratings and they get shelled, and I face pitchers with crap ratings and get shut out.

As a manager I can't do anything about it, and as a GM, there's basically nothing to do in August but wait for September callups to play around with some prospects. This team played over its heads for a while but has now come back to earth.. hard. I guess I had hoped I had made real, permanent improvements but my expectations were probably set too high based on some early streaks that couldn't continue.

My owner wanted 81-81 for the year. My more realistic goal was 65-97. We are currently 58-58. Given all the turnover, lousy players and injuries, we are probably doing better than we should be.

But I'm perfectionistic and impatient.. a bad combination for this job.

if it's not fun, take a break for sure.. re-charge the batteries..

about the durability -- tie-breaker for similar quality players... if talent is immensely better it can be worth the risk of course.

if he was durable, just bad luck. if you make your entire MiL "1" for each proneness, you still get a few injuries each year. durable can be much higher than 1/200, i'm sure... it's a steeper curve at the low-end -- much more durable out of proportion is what i mean. just a slight tick up to 50/200 or 100/200 and i bet it goes from a few injuries to a very significant increase in injuries.

side note, first year i bought ootp, i put it down for nearly 6 months before playing again. i was frustrated over different stuff related to setting up a league, but similar causes as you mention. not recommending you put it donw that long..m aybe a week or two will do.

either now or later, play with 100% accuracy for a few seasons at least. if a combination of skillsets you use don't work well with pitchers, do somethign different. even track other players. figure out of the 71-80/80 guys which are the truly good ones etc... then same for 61-70 etc. or larger ranges are probably better. 15-20, but the top range shuld be smaller.

CurlyKarkovice · 04-29-2018, 08:30 AM

If in commish mode: Under game settings - Players & FaceGen - You could put the injuries to Low, lower or extremely low if it is too frequently ruining the fun of the league.

Mets52 · 04-29-2018, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CurlyKarkovice

If in commish mode: Under game settings - Players & FaceGen - You could put the injuries to Low, lower or extremely low if it is too frequently ruining the fun of the league.

I have done this in the past because I too felt like the OP in the beginning.

There is an underlying beauty to injuries and that's the guys you get to call up to fill in. There have been times I've called guys up, just to fill, and they never went back down. I even had 1 player get Wally Pipp'd. If injuries were low or off, these true to life things would have never happened, those players would have never been found.

Who knows, maybe you'll call someone up and he'll take off better than the guy you had in there.

ohiodevil · 04-29-2018, 08:56 AM

I just saw this happen.....completely unfair to a rebuilding team.....

The White Sox announced on Saturday morning they have placed Nicky Delmonico on the 10-day disabled list with a sprained right wrist. The news comes a day after the White Sox sent MLB's No. 1 prospect Yoan Moncada to the DL with a bone contusion. Just last week, pitching prospect Reynaldo Lopez landed on the DL with a strained back.

Oh wait....this really happened....

http://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/chi...e-sox-prospect

Qeltar · 04-29-2018, 10:09 AM

Yep.

I also remember watching a video of some good prospect, and in the first inning of his first MLB game he runs into something in foul ground chasing a fly ball and tears up his knee and is gone for the year.

If I'm going to be a GM I'm going to have to learn to suck it up.

Mind you, a bruised shin or whatever is not like tearing your PCL and losing a year. As for pitchers, there I have no expectations.

Orcin · 04-29-2018, 06:32 PM

Sometimes the injuries can really mount up and ruin an otherwise great career.

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Qeltar · 04-29-2018, 07:11 PM

That really seems like it snowballed excessively, but I don't have a lot of experience yet.

Orcin · 04-29-2018, 07:14 PM

It is unusual, but I've seen it more than a few times. Most of those were DTD injuries and each of those tweaks the injury frequency up a bit until the odds get really high.

I'm just trying to show you that it is not just you - that's how the game works.

04-28-2018, 10:22 AM	#1
Qeltar Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 382	Other than hiring a trainer, any way to prevent injuries? I just paid out the nose for a very expensive trainer with excellent ratings, and in less than a month have lost both a member of my starting rotation and a key offensive player/prospect to major injuries (like, all of this season and probably through spring training next year). Pretty bloody frustrating. I realize nothing is guaranteed, it's a small sample size, and it could just be bad luck but these are worse than any injuries anyone got before I hired this new trainer. Wondering if there's anything else I need to do. To add insult to injury (literally) the position player, a very good young player, is supposed to be "Durable." I guess not. I just checked and this is the only position player in all of MLB in my game aged 25 or under who has a major injury. With a top notch trainer and "Durable" rating?! ETA: Is there any chance my overpriced trainer might make these injuries heal a bit faster so at least I have these guys back next year? Thanks. Last edited by Qeltar; 04-28-2018 at 10:36 AM.

04-28-2018, 10:57 AM	#2
Curve Ball Dave Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,391	Heh, the only way to avoid injuries is for guys to not play. You're having some bad luck, it happens. __________________ "Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing"-Warren Spahn. Last edited by Curve Ball Dave; 04-28-2018 at 04:10 PM.

04-28-2018, 11:06 AM	#4
Qeltar Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 382	I just had two more guys, in the minors, go down with "undiagnosed" injuries, which usually means bad ones. Why did I spend millions on this trainer again? Some of the RNG stuff in this game is exasperating. Some of the injuries make no sense in terms of how they happen, and the development is also random and inconsistent. Sorry, just very frustrated right now. The temptation to just cheat this stuff away is strong, but then I guess it's not much of a challenge if everything always goes right. Last edited by Qeltar; 04-28-2018 at 11:08 AM.

04-28-2018, 02:07 PM	#7
Qeltar Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 382	Yep, you guys are right. Thanks. It's sad to think that this prime prospect may now end up injury-riddled... it's a PCL tear, which I think is not as bad as an ACL tear, but I have no idea if that level of detail is programmed into the game. However, top prospects failing due to injury is very much a part of the game. Part of this is my own inexperience and impatience. It's my first season, I've worked REALLY hard to make something out of nothing, and it's hard to watch it sort of slip away... Also, it's now past the trade deadline, there's not much more I can do to improve this team, I just have to play the games out and hope the guys in the lower minors work out. Out of curiosity, are this kid's ratings also going to drop for the next year since he's out? I'd imagine so. Bummer. Last edited by Qeltar; 04-28-2018 at 02:14 PM.

04-28-2018, 02:19 PM	#8
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	pay more attention to their injury ratings when drafting or signing FA -- if it is even visible. i think a setting can hide it. don't play them while "too tired" .. no idea where it gets 'dangerous' but at least influenced by their injury rating too. days off for fielders as well as pitch counts for SP/RP -- in MiL this is automatically done to some extent... even by AAA i think it's roughly a ~90pitch count used at one time. a smaller pitch count at lower levels (going based on someone else's older post/memory, not something i key in on but should) ratings can drop, but not guaranteed. he/they is/are more than likely fine. if he's young and it drops, it is ore likely scouting inaccuracy improving as he gains experience in your org. (all other factors the saem: your players are more accurately scouting than other org.'s. more pro years improves it too. age is also a factor) Last edited by NoOne; 04-28-2018 at 02:22 PM.

04-28-2018, 10:57 AM	#3
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,879	Hiring a great trainer doesn't guarantee that you won't have injuries. It's a really small sample size - only a month. It could just be bad luck.

04-28-2018, 01:41 PM	#6
5-4-3 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 143	Some seasons you eat the bear, some seasons the bear eats you. It’s just luck. Many people have great difficulty dealing with luck or random number generators. They are perfectly happy when everything works out to their benefit, but when it doesn’t they start thinking the gods hate them or that the game is broken, when it’s not. You have to learn to take the bad with the good.

04-28-2018, 03:36 PM	#9
Qeltar Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 382	I do pay attention, but he wasn't drafted, he was traded, had no history and was "durable." Honestly I think I just need to give this game a break for a while. It's gotten extremely frustrating lately, nothing I do in-game works, nobody can pitch, nobody can hit. I put out pitchers with great ratings and they get shelled, and I face pitchers with crap ratings and get shut out. As a manager I can't do anything about it, and as a GM, there's basically nothing to do in August but wait for September callups to play around with some prospects. This team played over its heads for a while but has now come back to earth.. hard. I guess I had hoped I had made real, permanent improvements but my expectations were probably set too high based on some early streaks that couldn't continue. My owner wanted 81-81 for the year. My more realistic goal was 65-97. We are currently 58-58. Given all the turnover, lousy players and injuries, we are probably doing better than we should be. But I'm perfectionistic and impatient.. a bad combination for this job. Last edited by Qeltar; 04-28-2018 at 03:47 PM.

04-28-2018, 04:10 PM	#10
Qeltar Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 382	Another injury to a position player. There are 2 position players 25 or under on the DL in all of MLB, both are on my team. LOL.

04-29-2018, 01:46 AM	#11
UltimateAverageGuy All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 591	Must be a bug, quit till its fixed

04-29-2018, 08:30 AM	#13
CurlyKarkovice Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Indianapolis IN Posts: 231	If in commish mode: Under game settings - Players & FaceGen - You could put the injuries to Low, lower or extremely low if it is too frequently ruining the fun of the league.

04-29-2018, 08:56 AM	#15
ohiodevil OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Rocky River, Ohio Posts: 2,442	I just saw this happen.....completely unfair to a rebuilding team..... The White Sox announced on Saturday morning they have placed Nicky Delmonico on the 10-day disabled list with a sprained right wrist. The news comes a day after the White Sox sent MLB's No. 1 prospect Yoan Moncada to the DL with a bone contusion. Just last week, pitching prospect Reynaldo Lopez landed on the DL with a strained back. Oh wait....this really happened.... http://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/chi...e-sox-prospect

04-29-2018, 10:09 AM	#16
Qeltar Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 382	Yep. I also remember watching a video of some good prospect, and in the first inning of his first MLB game he runs into something in foul ground chasing a fly ball and tears up his knee and is gone for the year. If I'm going to be a GM I'm going to have to learn to suck it up. Mind you, a bruised shin or whatever is not like tearing your PCL and losing a year. As for pitchers, there I have no expectations. Last edited by Qeltar; 04-29-2018 at 10:11 AM.

04-29-2018, 06:32 PM	#17
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,879	Sometimes the injuries can really mount up and ruin an otherwise great career.

04-29-2018, 07:11 PM	#18
Qeltar Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 382	That really seems like it snowballed excessively, but I don't have a lot of experience yet.

04-29-2018, 07:14 PM	#19
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,879	It is unusual, but I've seen it more than a few times. Most of those were DTD injuries and each of those tweaks the injury frequency up a bit until the odds get really high. I'm just trying to show you that it is not just you - that's how the game works.