AI Logic when setting up lineup

krownroyal83 · 03-31-2018, 09:57 PM

When it comes to setting up the lineups I do that however if a player is tired such as the catcher the AI makes the change for me. What I can understand is the logic behind the decision of this move. My catcher who bats 4th is tired so naturally the AI brings in a replacement catcher and puts him 8th in the lineup which is around where he should be according to his stats and ratings. But the AI then takes the player who is batting 8th who has the 2nd worst batting avg and the worst OBP and moves him up to 5th position. Shouldn't the AI just keep him in his 8th position or at the very least move him to 7th? Why would the AI just jump him up the lineup like that? Is there a way to automatically make sure the player stays put exactly where he is in the lineup, minus when he gets injured of course. The guy went 1 for 6 (worst in lineup) and had a 6 LOB. Thankfully we won 15-0 so it was a non-factor but what if this was game 7 in the finals and it was a close game haha.

malor · 03-31-2018, 10:33 PM

This has been an issue for multiple versions.

Until they can figure out how to make the AI think like a human (not going to happen real soon), you either need to manage your lineups day-to-day, making the changes yourself or use 7-day lineups.

I would love to see a fix where the AI simply places the replacement player in the same spot in the order to keep it simple.

Maybe someone from OOTP Team will reply when they return to work.

Malor

krownroyal83 · 03-31-2018, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by malor

This has been an issue for multiple versions.

Until they can figure out how to make the AI think like a human (not going to happen real soon), you either need to manage your lineups day-to-day, making the changes yourself or use 7-day lineups.

I would love to see a fix where the AI simply places the replacement player in the same spot in the order to keep it simple.

Maybe someone from OOTP Team will reply when they return to work.

Malor

I don't like the replacement guy being put in the exact same position as he's likely not going to be too good and what if the guy he's replacing bats 1st or 2nd? It would make more sense to place them at the bottom of the lineup and move everyone else up one. But having a guy that's not a good hitter be moved up to the middle of the lineup is kinda bad AI management. Maybe there is a better solution than the ones you've suggested.

malor · 03-31-2018, 11:11 PM

If I'm recall correctly, OOTP18 (or 17) would place the replacement player 8th and move the 8th player to 2nd. Because of that, as a game simmer(GM/Manager), I make up the lineup before every game and let the bench coach go from there during the game. I make sure to hire a bench coach that closely resembles my management style. I also set the replacement dropdown to never and change out players as needed.

The AI cannot do this at this time and I suspect probably never will be able to manage this very well. There is just to much to think about.

Any default Markus and team choose is going to make some of happy and other unhappy since we all manage differently. Thus a no win-situation. I don't even think adding option checkboxes for our preferences would be easy to code.

Malor

Timofmars · 04-01-2018, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by malor

The AI cannot do this at this time and I suspect probably never will be able to manage this very well. There is just to much to think about.

Any default Markus and team choose is going to make some of happy and other unhappy since we all manage differently. Thus a no win-situation. I don't even think adding option checkboxes for our preferences would be easy to code.
Malor

I don't think it's that complicated. A few customizable settings would probably be enough to give most people close to what they ideally want, or at least the option to change things from how they are now. I think the options might just need to be about whether you prefer sabermetric or traditional, and maybe what you use as 3rd in the lineup (is it your 3rd best OBP guy, or is it best overall after 4+5 hitters... or maybe you think #3 is better than #5).

This tells us what rank each player is in the lineup for you, or what stats are the most important (specifically for #3 batter and #8/#9). This allows the AI to respect your judgments in most cases about the order of batter abilities. It can assume that your best overall hitters are in order of 4-5-3-6-7-8-9 (if you have traditional lineup setting, and say #3 batting order guy is 3rd best overall hitter). Then when the AI needs to fill a spot in the batting order, it can first slide the incoming sub into whatever the best spot it thinks is best for the player (by just generating it's own internal idea of what the lineup should look like), then slide the other players up or down (but no jumping over players, just follow the hitter ranking order above) to make space for the incoming player to move into that spot using the above ranking order of batters.

For filling batting order slot #1 or #2, with the same options selected, #2 slides up to #1 (if #1 is the slot that needed to be filled) and then the best OBP guy is selected from 6-9 or 3 to become the new #2 guy.

03-31-2018, 09:57 PM	#1
krownroyal83 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 995	AI Logic when setting up lineup When it comes to setting up the lineups I do that however if a player is tired such as the catcher the AI makes the change for me. What I can understand is the logic behind the decision of this move. My catcher who bats 4th is tired so naturally the AI brings in a replacement catcher and puts him 8th in the lineup which is around where he should be according to his stats and ratings. But the AI then takes the player who is batting 8th who has the 2nd worst batting avg and the worst OBP and moves him up to 5th position. Shouldn't the AI just keep him in his 8th position or at the very least move him to 7th? Why would the AI just jump him up the lineup like that? Is there a way to automatically make sure the player stays put exactly where he is in the lineup, minus when he gets injured of course. The guy went 1 for 6 (worst in lineup) and had a 6 LOB. Thankfully we won 15-0 so it was a non-factor but what if this was game 7 in the finals and it was a close game haha.

03-31-2018, 10:33 PM	#2
malor Major Leagues Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 467	This has been an issue for multiple versions. Until they can figure out how to make the AI think like a human (not going to happen real soon), you either need to manage your lineups day-to-day, making the changes yourself or use 7-day lineups. I would love to see a fix where the AI simply places the replacement player in the same spot in the order to keep it simple. Maybe someone from OOTP Team will reply when they return to work. Malor Last edited by malor; 03-31-2018 at 10:34 PM. Reason: grammer fix

03-31-2018, 11:11 PM	#4
malor Major Leagues Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 467	If I'm recall correctly, OOTP18 (or 17) would place the replacement player 8th and move the 8th player to 2nd. Because of that, as a game simmer(GM/Manager), I make up the lineup before every game and let the bench coach go from there during the game. I make sure to hire a bench coach that closely resembles my management style. I also set the replacement dropdown to never and change out players as needed. The AI cannot do this at this time and I suspect probably never will be able to manage this very well. There is just to much to think about. Any default Markus and team choose is going to make some of happy and other unhappy since we all manage differently. Thus a no win-situation. I don't even think adding option checkboxes for our preferences would be easy to code. Malor