Impossible to sign draft picks

ra24mpa · 03-31-2018, 10:51 AM

In previous versions of the game, I could sign impossible-to-sign draftees by offering them twice of what they demanded for a signing bonus, unless the slot bonus was for more money, then I would offer twice that amount. In this version, however, they still reject the offer and continue their education. I do understand why some people would reject an offer from certain teams in real life, but I just won the World Series the previous season, and I have a good reputation as a GM, so it's not like I'm asking someone to sign on with a perennial loser or anything like that. If I'm a second round draft pick out of college for a team that won its first World Series last year, and you offer me $6.5M to sign, I'm probably going to sign. My question: Are they now literally impossible to sign regardless of the offered bonus, or is there some variation involved now?

Winnipeg59 · 03-31-2018, 11:26 AM

Just curious if you stopped offering after just twice as much.

No insider knowledge, but maybe the ability to sign an impossible player is more variable now, based on team and GM (as you mentioned), but also based on the player's personality and other factors.

"Just" twice as much seems kind of gamey IF that's the formula every time. If they have made things more variable (for impossible and any draft pick signings in general) I would consider that a good thing.

Were you eventually able to sign any of the players and ultimately at what cost?

Cowboys3356 · 03-31-2018, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ra24mpa

In previous versions of the game, I could sign impossible-to-sign draftees by offering them twice of what they demanded for a signing bonus, unless the slot bonus was for more money, then I would offer twice that amount. In this version, however, they still reject the offer and continue their education. I do understand why some people would reject an offer from certain teams in real life, but I just won the World Series the previous season, and I have a good reputation as a GM, so it's not like I'm asking someone to sign on with a perennial loser or anything like that. If I'm a second round draft pick out of college for a team that won its first World Series last year, and you offer me $6.5M to sign, I'm probably going to sign. My question: Are they now literally impossible to sign regardless of the offered bonus, or is there some variation involved now?

They can be signed, you just have to offer more! It is not meant to be easy, they are "impossible" after all.

ra24mpa · 03-31-2018, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Winnipeg59

Just curious if you stopped offering after just twice as much.

No insider knowledge, but maybe the ability to sign an impossible player is more variable now, based on team and GM (as you mentioned), but also based on the player's personality and other factors.

"Just" twice as much seems kind of gamey IF that's the formula every time. If they have made things more variable (for impossible and any draft pick signings in general) I would consider that a good thing.

Were you eventually able to sign any of the players and ultimately at what cost?

If they added variety to it, I'll admit that it's a good thing for the game. I'm just wondering if others have been able to sign any impossible players just to see if they're worth drafting in the first place.

malor · 03-31-2018, 07:15 PM

I like that it is probably more varied now, but I don't even bother to draft players listed as Impossible. Seems like a wasted pick to me. Better to pick someone else that will actually sign for a lot less $ and play in my system.

I look at this way. My scout talked with them and the player said he hates my team with a passion and would never sign. Why would a real MLB team bother with a player with that attitude when their are hundreds of others to choose from.

Malor

NoOne · 03-31-2018, 08:07 PM

they have somehwere to go now, so it's a viable option to decline and not ruin themselves..

pretty sure i rad if someone doesn't get selected and signed, they go back to school etc..

although if they are college graduate, they don't have anywhere to go. is this by chance diffferent for an "impossible" college kid andan "impossible" HS kid?

maybe the college kids still workt eh old way etc...

LegalEagle80 · 04-02-2018, 12:42 PM

You can still sign them -- even the CPU signed a couple "impossible" players in the inaugural 2018 draft in my league.

I think there are too many "impossible" players though -- to me, "impossible" means the player has already decided not to play minor league baseball. It's really a matter of context though. A player who gets drafted out of high school as a top 5 pick might demand 5x more than their slot bonus, but they're certainly interested in getting that money to play. There's also an issue with 20+ year olds who are already IN college but are described as "impossible." If a player is drafted in the first round, it's unlikely they're going to immediately be against signing with the team that drafted them. After all, they're already IN college and their draft stock isn't likely to rise the next year if they don't sign. If you pick an up-and-comer in the 30th round, that stance makes sense, but not if you pick them with a high draft pick.

Side question -- has anyone confirmed that high school players aren't eligible for the draft for 2 years? Example: 18 year-old high school senior gets drafted but doesn't sign in 2018 draft. In real life, they aren't eligible to be drafted again until they turn 21 (if they go to a major college). Are they showing up in the 2019 draft in OOTP?

malor · 04-02-2018, 02:11 PM

I always viewed the signability value relative to my team, not to every team. For example, the player may be "easy" to sign for the Yankees and "Impossible" for the "Mets" with a mix of other values for other teams.

Does anyone know if this is true or not? I think it would be wrong if the rating applies to all team across the board.

Malor

03-31-2018, 10:51 AM	#1
ra24mpa Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: STL Posts: 238	Impossible to sign draft picks In previous versions of the game, I could sign impossible-to-sign draftees by offering them twice of what they demanded for a signing bonus, unless the slot bonus was for more money, then I would offer twice that amount. In this version, however, they still reject the offer and continue their education. I do understand why some people would reject an offer from certain teams in real life, but I just won the World Series the previous season, and I have a good reputation as a GM, so it's not like I'm asking someone to sign on with a perennial loser or anything like that. If I'm a second round draft pick out of college for a team that won its first World Series last year, and you offer me $6.5M to sign, I'm probably going to sign. My question: Are they now literally impossible to sign regardless of the offered bonus, or is there some variation involved now?

03-31-2018, 11:26 AM	#2
Winnipeg59 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 1,999	Just curious if you stopped offering after just twice as much. No insider knowledge, but maybe the ability to sign an impossible player is more variable now, based on team and GM (as you mentioned), but also based on the player's personality and other factors. "Just" twice as much seems kind of gamey IF that's the formula every time. If they have made things more variable (for impossible and any draft pick signings in general) I would consider that a good thing. Were you eventually able to sign any of the players and ultimately at what cost?

03-31-2018, 07:15 PM	#5
malor Major Leagues Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 323	I like that it is probably more varied now, but I don't even bother to draft players listed as Impossible. Seems like a wasted pick to me. Better to pick someone else that will actually sign for a lot less $ and play in my system. I look at this way. My scout talked with them and the player said he hates my team with a passion and would never sign. Why would a real MLB team bother with a player with that attitude when their are hundreds of others to choose from. Malor

03-31-2018, 08:07 PM	#6
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	they have somehwere to go now, so it's a viable option to decline and not ruin themselves.. pretty sure i rad if someone doesn't get selected and signed, they go back to school etc.. although if they are college graduate, they don't have anywhere to go. is this by chance diffferent for an "impossible" college kid andan "impossible" HS kid? maybe the college kids still workt eh old way etc...

04-02-2018, 12:42 PM	#7
LegalEagle80 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 113	You can still sign them -- even the CPU signed a couple "impossible" players in the inaugural 2018 draft in my league. I think there are too many "impossible" players though -- to me, "impossible" means the player has already decided not to play minor league baseball. It's really a matter of context though. A player who gets drafted out of high school as a top 5 pick might demand 5x more than their slot bonus, but they're certainly interested in getting that money to play. There's also an issue with 20+ year olds who are already IN college but are described as "impossible." If a player is drafted in the first round, it's unlikely they're going to immediately be against signing with the team that drafted them. After all, they're already IN college and their draft stock isn't likely to rise the next year if they don't sign. If you pick an up-and-comer in the 30th round, that stance makes sense, but not if you pick them with a high draft pick. Side question -- has anyone confirmed that high school players aren't eligible for the draft for 2 years? Example: 18 year-old high school senior gets drafted but doesn't sign in 2018 draft. In real life, they aren't eligible to be drafted again until they turn 21 (if they go to a major college). Are they showing up in the 2019 draft in OOTP?

04-02-2018, 02:11 PM	#8
malor Major Leagues Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 323	I always viewed the signability value relative to my team, not to every team. For example, the player may be "easy" to sign for the Yankees and "Impossible" for the "Mets" with a mix of other values for other teams. Does anyone know if this is true or not? I think it would be wrong if the rating applies to all team across the board. Malor