Position Players Pitching?

LegalEagle80 · 03-25-2018, 04:33 PM

Anyone see this happening too often?

I've been playing as GM of the Cubs and I sim each game. I'm not sure if it's AI Joe Maddon or a bigger issue in the game, but the coach burns through the bullpen and puts in position players as pitchers more than a couple times per season. I'm not even talking about blowouts either. I had a loss in 11 innings because the backup shortstop pitched the 11th for some reason.

I carry 12 pitchers too, so there should be enough arms.

actionjackson · 03-25-2018, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LegalEagle80

Anyone see this happening too often?

I've been playing as GM of the Cubs and I sim each game. I'm not sure if it's AI Joe Maddon or a bigger issue in the game, but the coach burns through the bullpen and puts in position players as pitchers more than a couple times per season. I'm not even talking about blowouts either. I had a loss in 11 innings because the backup shortstop pitched the 11th for some reason.

I carry 12 pitchers too, so there should be enough arms.

Possible legacy of having two-way players in the game? Just spitballing. You can turn off the option to have two-way players in the game in Game > Game Settings > League Settings > Stats & AI > General AI Roster Settings

Uncheck the "Allow two-way players" box and see if that helps. I don't know if it will, just trying something out.

Gerry58 · 03-26-2018, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LegalEagle80

Anyone see this happening too often?

I've been playing as GM of the Cubs and I sim each game. I'm not sure if it's AI Joe Maddon or a bigger issue in the game, but the coach burns through the bullpen and puts in position players as pitchers more than a couple times per season. I'm not even talking about blowouts either. I had a loss in 11 innings because the backup shortstop pitched the 11th for some reason.

I carry 12 pitchers too, so there should be enough arms.

Same here. I'm replaying the 2003 season and i checked the news about another game (autoplayed): the score was 28-2 and the Rockies used a position player to pitch BEFORE using another reliever, maybe something is amiss here

thisisme · 03-26-2018, 05:28 PM

I believe this will be fixed in the patch.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=287073

Gerry58 · 03-27-2018, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by thisisme

I believe this will be fixed in the patch.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=287073

I hope so but in my case he wasn't a two way player

Matt Arnold · 03-27-2018, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerry58

Same here. I'm replaying the 2003 season and i checked the news about another game (autoplayed): the score was 28-2 and the Rockies used a position player to pitch BEFORE using another reliever, maybe something is amiss here

That's normal (as long as the position player came in when it already well past gone). Better to save the bullpen if you can for when they might matter.

The other stuff, we do check that the right number of position players pitch during a season. I'd be surprised if they came in in the 11th or 12th unless if there was nobody else able to pitch. It's possible Madden got a little too aggressive with matchups earlier in the game and ran through his bullpen?

LegalEagle80 · 03-27-2018, 11:22 AM

That is what happened. He came in after all the pitchers were used, but the point is that the manager should know not to run through 7 bullpen arms before the 11th inning. The starter pitched over 5 innings too, so it wasn't like he got hurt 2/3 of a inning into the game.

DawnBTVS · 03-27-2018, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LegalEagle80

That is what happened. He came in after all the pitchers were used, but the point is that the manager should know not to run through 7 bullpen arms before the 11th inning. The starter pitched over 5 innings too, so it wasn't like he got hurt 2/3 of a inning into the game.

Context matters though. When were the other arms pitching? Did a RP pitch the 10th Inning?

It's fine to say a manager "should know" but he has no idea if the game will end in the 10th or the 17th inning until it's played. I've had instances where I've burned through my RPs through the 11th or 12th inning and found myself going 15-16 innings and having to burn a SP or stretch out my final RP for an unexpected 3-4 inning run.

Gerry58 · 04-02-2018, 05:14 AM

Has a position player ever won a game in real life? Just happened in my 2018 quick start replay, in a 17 inning game Texas 2b pitched the last 2.1 innings and was awarded the win

DB930 · 04-02-2018, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerry58

Has a position player ever won a game in real life? Just happened in my 2018 quick start replay, in a 17 inning game Texas 2b pitched the last 2.1 innings and was awarded the win

Yep: May 6, 2012. Orioles beat the Red Sox in 17 innings. Chris Davis (1B) was the winning pitcher, and Darnell McDonald (OF) was the losing pitcher.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/b...01205060.shtml

I think it's been done again since then, and I'm sure it must've also been done before that, but this was a game I watched so it's the first one to spring to mind...

Gerry58 · 04-02-2018, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DB930

Yep: May 6, 2012. Orioles beat the Red Sox in 17 innings. Chris Davis (1B) was the winning pitcher, and Darnell McDonald (OF) was the losing pitcher.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/b...01205060.shtml

I think it's been done again since then, and I'm sure it must've also been done before that, but this was a game I watched so it's the first one to spring to mind...

Thanks and the boxscore is almost the same

Orcin · 04-02-2018, 08:46 AM

The AI does have an inclination to use relievers for one batter until the bullpen is empty. I have seen it multiple times.

MizzouRah · 04-02-2018, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

The AI does have an inclination to use relievers for one batter until the bullpen is empty. I have seen it multiple times.

I've noticed this too. Seems like AI teams with weaker pitching staffs are blowing through their bullpen and I'm seeing more position players pitching than previous versions.

I was actually thinking of going to 8 relievers league wide.

byzeil · 04-02-2018, 09:00 AM

Sounds like the RL 2018 Phillies under Gabe Kapler. He used 21 pitchers in the first 3 games of the season including bench player Pedro Florimon to finish game 3.

I'm starting to call the OOTP AI Gabe.

NoOne · 04-02-2018, 09:02 AM

yeah, it doesn'tlook ahead enough at times. and at other times it's gung ho about 2inning outings for setup guys.

if you have 7th/8th setup guys and the 7th inning guy is 'better' relative to the coach's thoughts, they will get used way more and stay in longer too.

Gerry58 · 04-02-2018, 12:28 PM

I don't like the way the AI manages but then that's the way modern managers do it too so i'm not complaining

Grafton19 · 04-02-2018, 12:38 PM

In blowouts I have seen this a ton and I think my settings are checked to not let position players pitch, but what can you do. I try to let my manager control my substitution so it saves me some time. This only pops up every so often, but it does take the fun out of the games at times because even if I stop it it will happen to the CPU a times. I saw Ichiro pitching last night. But, my Orioles are so bad they still couldn’t score run off to him

03-25-2018, 04:33 PM	#1
LegalEagle80 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 113	Position Players Pitching? Anyone see this happening too often? I've been playing as GM of the Cubs and I sim each game. I'm not sure if it's AI Joe Maddon or a bigger issue in the game, but the coach burns through the bullpen and puts in position players as pitchers more than a couple times per season. I'm not even talking about blowouts either. I had a loss in 11 innings because the backup shortstop pitched the 11th for some reason. I carry 12 pitchers too, so there should be enough arms.

03-26-2018, 05:28 PM	#4
thisisme Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 59	I believe this will be fixed in the patch. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=287073

03-27-2018, 11:22 AM	#7
LegalEagle80 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 113	That is what happened. He came in after all the pitchers were used, but the point is that the manager should know not to run through 7 bullpen arms before the 11th inning. The starter pitched over 5 innings too, so it wasn't like he got hurt 2/3 of a inning into the game.

04-02-2018, 05:14 AM	#9
Gerry58 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 214	Has a position player ever won a game in real life? Just happened in my 2018 quick start replay, in a 17 inning game Texas 2b pitched the last 2.1 innings and was awarded the win

04-02-2018, 08:46 AM	#12
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,849	The AI does have an inclination to use relievers for one batter until the bullpen is empty. I have seen it multiple times.

04-02-2018, 09:02 AM	#15
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	yeah, it doesn'tlook ahead enough at times. and at other times it's gung ho about 2inning outings for setup guys. if you have 7th/8th setup guys and the 7th inning guy is 'better' relative to the coach's thoughts, they will get used way more and stay in longer too.

04-02-2018, 12:28 PM	#16
Gerry58 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 214	I don't like the way the AI manages but then that's the way modern managers do it too so i'm not complaining

04-02-2018, 12:38 PM	#17
Grafton19 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 470	In blowouts I have seen this a ton and I think my settings are checked to not let position players pitch, but what can you do. I try to let my manager control my substitution so it saves me some time. This only pops up every so often, but it does take the fun out of the games at times because even if I stop it it will happen to the CPU a times. I saw Ichiro pitching last night. But, my Orioles are so bad they still couldn’t score run off to him