Player Ratings Scales question

[RubeBaker]

I was hoping someone could assist me with this. What is the default rating under "Playing Ratings Scales" where you have the option to check a box for "All player ratings are displayed relative to Major League Baseball" or "Overall ratings based on all players"? If both boxes are unchecked, is that the default setting?

[Déjà Bru]

Rube, I am pretty sure that the default is as shown below, where by default the player ratings are displayed relative to the highest league in the game that you are playing (box checked) and that ratings are based on positions, not all players (box unchecked).

That said, I never realized that you can uncheck the first box. What does that mean? Are the player ratings absolute in that case and therefore 100% accurate?

[Rosco Peabody]

The second box has to do with each position. For instance, let's say the Catcher position is a real weak point in your league. Unchecked, it will display the best catcher as something like an 80 on a 20/80 scale because he's the best Catcher and they're only comparing him to other Catchers. However, if it is checked, it will compare that player to all of the batters and that rating would likely go down.

It's sort of like a "value" rating.

[PSUColonel]

I reallly feel it should be checked for realism purposes.

[endgame]

I'm curious as to how OSA deals with the setting. On first glance, it appears to be a user-oriented/scout function, as I don't notice changes in Top Player reports, etc.. in comparing the All vs Position.

[Déjà Bru]

Good answers about the second box. Question remains, though, about the first box. What happens if it is unchecked?

[RubeBaker]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I reallly feel it should be checked for realism purposes.

So, for realism, keep the second box checked and the first box unchecked or the other way around? Or leave them both unchecked?

[PSUColonel]

well, I suppose there are pluses and minuses to the second box. Rating a player highly just because a given position may be watered down is very misleading tho the human user....the question however is, how does it affect the AI? It could be helpful to the AI to not check this box.

The other thing to consider (and this may have been fixed..but I'm not sure) is in the past, not checking this at times enabled positional changes to way overate players..which of course isn't a good option either.

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Good answers about the second box. Question remains, though, about the first box. What happens if it is unchecked?

That controls whether the component values (stuff, contact, power, etc..) are displayed with the absolute values or relative to the league.

So say your league is pitching-heavy, and the average internal stuff value in the league is 140 (on the 1-200 internal scale we use), If you pitcher has a 140 stuff value, then in absolute values he'll show up with a 65 stuff rating (give or take). But with relative ratings on, he's league average, so he'll be a 50.

This is all subject to scouting error too, obviously.

[spleen1015]

I like the second box unchecked. I want to know how players compare to their position because what's important.

I assume it is based on primary position and it would change when changing the position of the player. That's fine, IMO. It's just the overall rating for comparisons I think the AI still uses the individual ratings to figure things out.

[Rosco Peabody]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I like the second box unchecked. I want to know how players compare to their position because what's important.

I assume it is based on primary position and it would change when changing the position of the player. That's fine, IMO. It's just the overall rating for comparisons I think the AI still uses the individual ratings to figure things out.

See, I like the second box checked because I think of how a guy will fit into my lineup. That is regardless of position on the field. If I see a guy who is 70-80 on a 20-80 scale, I want to correctly think of him as my 3 hitter. If the very best 3Bman in the league is only a 55 on a 20-80 scale, that's fine, I'll adjust to that and be able to compare him to the other 3Bmen. I just don't want to get tricked into drafting him expecting him to be a stud and find out he'll be near the bottom of my lineup just because it's a weak position

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Rosco Peabody

See, I like the second box checked because I think of how a guy will fit into my lineup. That is regardless of position on the field. If I see a guy who is 70-80 on a 20-80 scale, I want to correctly think of him as my 3 hitter. If the very best 3Bman in the league is only a 55 on a 20-80 scale, that's fine, I'll adjust to that and be able to compare him to the other 3Bmen. I just don't want to get tricked into drafting him expecting him to be a stud and find out he'll be near the bottom of my lineup just because it's a weak position

That's interesting. I don't look at overall ratings when I am looking to make my lineups. I look at stats and the individual ratings in each category.

Maybe my understanding of the check box is wrong. It says Overall ratings, so to me that means the star rating or the number that the star rating represents, not the individual category ratings like Stuff, Power, etc. ratings.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I like the second box unchecked. I want to know how players compare to their position because what's important.

I assume it is based on primary position and it would change when changing the position of the player. That's fine, IMO. It's just the overall rating for comparisons I think the AI still uses the individual ratings to figure things out.

Originally Posted by spleen1015

That's interesting. I don't look at overall ratings when I am looking to make my lineups. I look at stats and the individual ratings in each category.

Maybe my understanding of the check box is wrong. It says Overall ratings, so to me that means the star rating or the number that the star rating represents, not the individual category ratings like Stuff, Power, etc. ratings.

This is how I do it too. Much more realistic IMHO.

I don't see how it can hurt the AI, as some think, for it has to look at skill ratings too for batting order etc. and not over-all or potential. I certainly don't see low contact or low power hitters at the top or middle of the order in my game just because they have a high over-all at a "weak skill" position.

[Matt Arnold]

That's why we have certain options. Everyone likes to see things a little differently We try to make sure the default makes sense, and that all the options will return sensible values, but know that people have their own preferences.

[PSUColonel]

I have noticed one thing though, when I check the second box, it causes some of the ratings disprepencies (inconsistencies) we have been seeing...when I uncheck it, many overall grades go back to normal and are the same on both the profile and scouting pages.

[RubeBaker]

Thank you, everyone, for all of your feedback and help! I've decided to leave the first box checked and the second box unchecked. The only settings I'm changing are the injuries and trades which I do every month and setting for "hard/heavily favor prospects".

Overall, I think default settings are the best for most of them on OOTP19.

[Rosco Peabody]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

That's interesting. I don't look at overall ratings when I am looking to make my lineups. I look at stats and the individual ratings in each category.

Maybe my understanding of the check box is wrong. It says Overall ratings, so to me that means the star rating or the number that the star rating represents, not the individual category ratings like Stuff, Power, etc. ratings.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. Obviously I don't look at the OVR rating when I make my lineup, but let's say I was doing an inaugural draft. I would be looking heavily at OVR rating for that. If I drafted a batter early in the draft, he better be a middle of the order guy. I wouldn't want him to be an 75/80 guy only at his position and have him batting 6th or 7th in my order.

That's more of what I mean.

[Timofmars]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Maybe my understanding of the check box is wrong. It says Overall ratings, so to me that means the star rating or the number that the star rating represents, not the individual category ratings like Stuff, Power, etc. ratings.

That's right. The 2nd box only affects overall ratings. You can play with this in the MLB player list. If you select only to view 1 positions (only view 2Bs, etc) with the box checked, you may find some positions don't have an 80/80 player. But then uncheck the box, and each position will be adjusted so that the best one is 80/80, and that becomes the new scale.

Having ratings based on positions can be a bit useful when trading random prospects you don't care about so that you won't trade away some decent prospect in a weak overall position for a player that looks to have more potential, but is in a position where talent is abundant.

This is most dramatic in pitching, I think. If ratings are position-based, starting pitchers are much more valuable for having the same raw attributes as a reliever. But based on all positions, relievers and starting pitchers look the same. However, decent relievers are easy to find, but it takes a special set of requirements to be a good starting pitcher (stamina, 3+ decent pitches) and so you should want to look at starting pitchers based on ability against other starters.


For the 1st checkbox, all player ratings displayed relative to the entire league, it seems particularly helpful for sorting through all those relatively weak 20/80 players that you can't tell apart at a glance. You might normally have like 1/4 of ML players rated 20/80, for example, but with the 1st box checked, I believe it makes the best players in the league be 80/80, and the worst be 20/80 (though not sure what happens if you promoted a rookie league player to the ML, perhaps it would lower the 20/80 floor a lot?). With the 1st box checked, many of those 20/80 players may become 35/80, etc., so you can tell which ones should be in the ML as a backup, or which prospects have potential to be a fringe ML player.

But I think the 1st box being checked messes with the individual ratings (contact, etc.) and makes them less useful. It makes them show ratings relative to the league averages. I think that isn't helpful, because it less accurately describes how the player will perform, since the game uses the raw ratings, not the adjusted ones.

You may even see some players are rated higher than others with 1st checkbox on, yet lower rated with it off.



So by default, I have 1st box unchecked, 2nd box checked in order to give maximum "raw" numbers. But I will check the 1st box to get more detail on fringe players, and perhaps more fairly assess overall quality difference between players (My 40/80 catcher becomes 47/80 with 1st box checked, and isn't really that much worse than the 78/80 catcher that becomes 67/80). I check the 2nd box to get a sense of the position's abundance of talent (mainly SP vs RP, and Pitchers vs batters overall).


What I don't know is what the 20/80 scale is based on if the 1st box is not checked.

[yabanci]

I don’t think it’s in the manual, but during setup in previous versions the first setting was described as:

By default, player ratings in OOTP are absolute values. However, in a game which includes multiple leagues, it may be useful to enable the next option, which calculates all player ratings relative to the league you have selected below or in a player profile screen.

In other words, you have three options:

(a) leave the box unchecked for ABSOLUTE values;
(b) check it and set to MLB for values RELATIVE to MLB; or
(c) check it and set it to some other league for values RELATIVE to that other league.

Whether to use absolute or relative values is personal preference and both have pros and cons. The third option is for when you have multiple leagues loaded and are managing in the minors or some other league where the talent is far below MLB. In such cases, you want to check it and set it to the other league. Otherwise all ratings in that other league will be horrible and basically useless.

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[RubeBaker]

I decided to leave it on "ratings relative to Major League Baseball" since that was the default setting. So far, through simming 4 games, it's working out great. If I ever needed to change it, I have that option.