TotalMinors v1: Release Or Wait For Contracts

GForce22 · 03-15-2003, 09:28 PM

Hey guys,

Scott just got me a contract list for money and length. Since I already pushed v1 back a week, I don't want to delay it any more unless the board supports it. The last two things that could make it into v1 are adjusted speed, arm, steal ratings and contracts. I could do the ratings adjustments tonight and tomorrow and release v1 Sunday night as planned. Or I could wait until Monday or Tuesday and get the contracts in too. This would let guys who don't need full minors (since I'll be adding more prospects by opening day) to start a franchise. I have the league totals adjusted so the results are VERY close to last year (within 5% in most sims) so the ratings look really good (some will probably be tweaked by opening day, but it's very good as it is).
Anyway, I will do the ratings first, then the contracts. If most people by, say 6 p.m. tomorrow, say to release v1 as is and hold contracts until v2, I'll put v1 out tomorrow night. Otherwise give me an extra day or two and I'll get the contracts in. It's up to you. I just don't want to delay again without running it by the board because I don't want anyone being skeptical given the problems of last year's set and its delays.
So let me know and I'll do whatever is popular.

Thanks again for the interest and support.

GH

Steve Kuffrey · 03-15-2003, 09:33 PM

I say release now, since after the initial player contract is over(whatever the amount or number of years) the game will make adjustments to them anyway.

LAH · 03-15-2003, 09:39 PM

I voted to wait.

I am tinkering with a franchise right now, and that will keep me busy until v1 is ready!

Either way, thanks for the work.

Quinn · 03-15-2003, 09:56 PM

I support either or, I am going to download them whenever your ready to post them.

dawgdchi · 03-15-2003, 09:57 PM

I'm waiting for v2 either way...So I don't really have much of a preference.

If I had to choose, I'd lean towards releasing them and putting Contracts in v2.

BTW...any estimate on when v2 will be ready?

Tiger Fan · 03-15-2003, 10:08 PM

I say release it now. As Steve mentioned the game will make big adjustments to player contracts as soon as their initial contract expires. To me all the effort keying in contracts could be better spent focusing on ratings and adding more minor leaguers.

Royal07 · 03-15-2003, 10:08 PM

I guess that I am confused why there is even a poll about this...

Why not release what you have done and let those who are losing sleep over your rosters get them (Yes I am included) and then release version 2 or whatever when you have the contracts and stuff done....

Just an idea.

Either way though, I am going to download them the second I see them available.

Dargone · 03-15-2003, 10:19 PM

I agree with Steve and Tiger Fan.

Steve Kuffrey · 03-15-2003, 10:29 PM

Those who try to base their OOTP finances on MLB will soon see that there are big differences. We have NEVER tried to make OOTP mirror the MLB financial system(read MESS)....it is a part of OOTP to make the challenge deeper and more fun. So IMO all of the work on making the contract "an exact match" isn't worth the time that it takes to adjust them.

LAH · 03-15-2003, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve Kuffrey
Those who try to base their OOTP finances on MLB will soon see that there are big differences. We have NEVER tried to make OOTP mirror the MLB financial system(read MESS)....it is a part of OOTP to make the challenge deeper and more fun. So IMO all of the work on making the contract "an exact match" isn't worth the time that it takes to adjust them.

okay, i change my vote!

Release them now!

GForce22 · 03-15-2003, 11:27 PM

I'll keep letting this thread go. I see both sides of it. The game will adjust salaries after the initial contracts, this is true. But I also know guys like at least starting with contracts that at least represent the real ones in some fashion. OOTPs salaries seem reduced for the most part, and grismosw's reduced salaries seem to work pretty well from what I've seen. Like I said, I'll do the ratings first and tomorrow night we'll see where we're at.

Thanks for the feedback.

GH

KcJockBoy · 03-15-2003, 11:49 PM

I agree with Steve and Co. and say release them now...the game will adjust them anyway.

Frankie

chinaski · 03-16-2003, 12:14 AM

Im not sure why, but ill probably wait until the contracts are put in.

Mike B · 03-16-2003, 12:27 AM

I would like to see them released now!!!

Mike B

HolyCow98 · 03-16-2003, 12:48 AM

Easy one for me. Release now. If OOTP tried to mimic an exact replica of MLB economic structure then it would be more of a big deal for me.

I think its cool though you are taking the time to put them in though.

KCRoyalsFan · 03-16-2003, 12:56 AM

Now please

I don't really care what individual contracts are, as long as they aren't ridiculously off.

Enforcer · 03-16-2003, 01:55 AM

release now

Bigmoe · 03-16-2003, 02:34 AM

Release it now... I agree with Steve ,Tiger Fan & CO.

ps2Mattm · 03-16-2003, 03:43 AM

Contracts are important though, because its not the same if A-Rod and others are free agents next year when someone like A-Rod is wrapped up for the next 10 years..plus it adds realism if your the Rangers and have 25% of your cap room taken up because of him.. anyways, i think you should release one now, and then one with contracts on tuesday.. what would it hurt to have a 1.1 version persay??

akw4572 · 03-16-2003, 11:00 AM

release it now with a list of contracts and people can edit them if they so choose.

View Poll Results: Release v1 Before Or After Contracts Are Added
Release With Only Speed, Steal and Arm Adjustments	95	65.07%
Wait Until You Add Contracts	51	34.93%
Voters: 146. You may not vote on this poll

03-15-2003, 09:28 PM	#1
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	TotalMinors v1: Release Or Wait For Contracts Hey guys, Scott just got me a contract list for money and length. Since I already pushed v1 back a week, I don't want to delay it any more unless the board supports it. The last two things that could make it into v1 are adjusted speed, arm, steal ratings and contracts. I could do the ratings adjustments tonight and tomorrow and release v1 Sunday night as planned. Or I could wait until Monday or Tuesday and get the contracts in too. This would let guys who don't need full minors (since I'll be adding more prospects by opening day) to start a franchise. I have the league totals adjusted so the results are VERY close to last year (within 5% in most sims) so the ratings look really good (some will probably be tweaked by opening day, but it's very good as it is). Anyway, I will do the ratings first, then the contracts. If most people by, say 6 p.m. tomorrow, say to release v1 as is and hold contracts until v2, I'll put v1 out tomorrow night. Otherwise give me an extra day or two and I'll get the contracts in. It's up to you. I just don't want to delay again without running it by the board because I don't want anyone being skeptical given the problems of last year's set and its delays. So let me know and I'll do whatever is popular. Thanks again for the interest and support. GH

03-15-2003, 09:33 PM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,023	I say release now, since after the initial player contract is over(whatever the amount or number of years) the game will make adjustments to them anyway. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

03-15-2003, 09:39 PM	#3
LAH Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Field of Screams Posts: 445	I voted to wait. I am tinkering with a franchise right now, and that will keep me busy until v1 is ready! Either way, thanks for the work. __________________ The Captain

03-15-2003, 09:56 PM	#4
Quinn Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 15	I support either or, I am going to download them whenever your ready to post them. __________________ <font color= "00ff00" >•</font><font color= "33ff33" >Q</font><font color= "00ff33" >u</font><font color= "66ff66" >i</font><font color= "99ff99" >n</font><font color= "ccffcc" >n</font>

03-15-2003, 09:57 PM	#5
dawgdchi Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Missouri Posts: 23	I'm waiting for v2 either way...So I don't really have much of a preference. If I had to choose, I'd lean towards releasing them and putting Contracts in v2. BTW...any estimate on when v2 will be ready? __________________ 4Ever BL - Detroit Tigers Cobb Goes to College - Kentucky Wildcats

03-15-2003, 10:08 PM	#6
Tiger Fan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 9,806	I say release it now. As Steve mentioned the game will make big adjustments to player contracts as soon as their initial contract expires. To me all the effort keying in contracts could be better spent focusing on ratings and adding more minor leaguers. __________________ Cliff Markle HOB1 greatest pitcher 360-160, 9 Welch Awards, 11 WS titles

03-15-2003, 10:08 PM	#7
Royal07 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 30	I guess that I am confused why there is even a poll about this... Why not release what you have done and let those who are losing sleep over your rosters get them (Yes I am included) and then release version 2 or whatever when you have the contracts and stuff done.... Just an idea. Either way though, I am going to download them the second I see them available.

03-15-2003, 10:19 PM	#8
Dargone Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Interwebs Posts: 2,862	I agree with Steve and Tiger Fan. __________________ I was never one to patiently pick up broken fragments and glue them together again and tell myself that the mended whole was as good as new. What is broken is broken -- and I'd rather remember it as it was at its best than mend it and see the broken places as long as I lived.-Margaret Mitchell

03-15-2003, 10:29 PM	#9
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,023	Those who try to base their OOTP finances on MLB will soon see that there are big differences. We have NEVER tried to make OOTP mirror the MLB financial system(read MESS)....it is a part of OOTP to make the challenge deeper and more fun. So IMO all of the work on making the contract "an exact match" isn't worth the time that it takes to adjust them. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

03-15-2003, 11:27 PM	#11
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	I'll keep letting this thread go. I see both sides of it. The game will adjust salaries after the initial contracts, this is true. But I also know guys like at least starting with contracts that at least represent the real ones in some fashion. OOTPs salaries seem reduced for the most part, and grismosw's reduced salaries seem to work pretty well from what I've seen. Like I said, I'll do the ratings first and tomorrow night we'll see where we're at. Thanks for the feedback. GH

03-15-2003, 11:49 PM	#12
KcJockBoy Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Olathe, Kansas Posts: 166	I agree with Steve and Co. and say release them now...the game will adjust them anyway. Frankie __________________ Asahi2-St.Louis Cardinals CBLR-St.Louis Cardinals

03-16-2003, 12:14 AM	#13
chinaski Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: end of the bar Posts: 296	Im not sure why, but ill probably wait until the contracts are put in.

03-16-2003, 12:27 AM	#14
Mike B Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Massena NY Posts: 67	I would like to see them released now!!! Mike B __________________ Mike B

03-16-2003, 12:48 AM	#15
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	Easy one for me. Release now. If OOTP tried to mimic an exact replica of MLB economic structure then it would be more of a big deal for me. I think its cool though you are taking the time to put them in though. __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

03-16-2003, 12:56 AM	#16
KCRoyalsFan All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 599	Now please I don't really care what individual contracts are, as long as they aren't ridiculously off.

03-16-2003, 01:55 AM	#17
Enforcer Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: New Smyrna Beach, Fla Posts: 156	release now

03-16-2003, 02:34 AM	#18
Bigmoe Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Apopka, Fl Posts: 44	Release it now... I agree with Steve ,Tiger Fan & CO.

03-16-2003, 03:43 AM	#19
ps2Mattm Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 17	Contracts are important though, because its not the same if A-Rod and others are free agents next year when someone like A-Rod is wrapped up for the next 10 years..plus it adds realism if your the Rangers and have 25% of your cap room taken up because of him.. anyways, i think you should release one now, and then one with contracts on tuesday.. what would it hurt to have a 1.1 version persay?? __________________ Why are you reading this?? The post is up there ^^

03-16-2003, 11:00 AM	#20
akw4572 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,601	release it now with a list of contracts and people can edit them if they so choose.