Service Time

scott1964 · 03-21-2018, 03:47 PM

How is service time calculated in 19. I thought if a players is on the roster all year that counts as one year of service time.
Below is an example of Robert Armstrong in his three seasons thus far has only over a year of service time.

Edit: set at 172 days, not sure if that is accurate. Second Edit. My mess up of the 1872 Season is probably to blame.

Matt Arnold · 03-21-2018, 04:14 PM

Yeah, if you have the days for a year of service set to 172, but your season length is much shorter than that, then you'll get like the above.

If he's at 1.123 years, then that means he's accumulated ~300 days of service in 3 years, so you probably want your days for 1 year to be less than 100.

spartacus007 · 03-21-2018, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Yeah, if you have the days for a year of service set to 172, but your season length is much shorter than that, then you'll get like the above.

If he's at 1.123 years, then that means he's accumulated ~300 days of service in 3 years, so you probably want your days for 1 year to be less than 100.

Is there a good formula to use to calculate what we should set days of service at?

Matt Arnold · 03-21-2018, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by spartacus007

Is there a good formula to use to calculate what we should set days of service at?

Schedules vary too much. It depends a lot on the number of off-days in the schedule. For example, I think the 1872 schedules only play a couple days a week.

Personally, I find setting the number to about the same as the number of games in a season, give or take a little bit, should work well. If it's too small, all it means is that it takes less of a season to get a full year, so you have less chances to be like the Braves and Acuna and hold him down for a few days to save a year of control.

scott1964 · 03-21-2018, 04:34 PM

Service time is not that big of a deal until the mid 20th century.

AESP_pres · 03-21-2018, 06:45 PM

Not exactly, you need 10 years of service time to be considered for the HOF. So if you need three times the normal time you are penalized, but on the other hand no one is really HOF worthy except for the pitchers in the 19th century for many years.

Caporegime · 03-21-2018, 06:58 PM

I usually set the minimum days of service for 1 service year to whatever number of games the league has scheduled plus 10 (e.g. 162/172, 154/164, 146/156, etc). That decision isn't based on anything scientific, realistic, or as the result of years worth of intense research and fervent number crunching with an old abacus. It just seems to be the easiest solution that produces plausible results that I can live with.

By default, MLB is set at 162/172, so I figured that's a good formula to follow.

scott1964 · 03-21-2018, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AESP_pres

Not exactly, you need 10 years of service time to be considered for the HOF. So if you need three times the normal time you are penalized, but on the other hand no one is really HOF worthy except for the pitchers in the 19th century for many years.

Learn something new everyday.

Le Grande Orange · 03-21-2018, 08:01 PM

Service time, at least in the earlier years, only factored in during partial season service. If a player was on the roster for the full regular season, that was a year of service, regardless of the length of the season. If a player only played part of a season, then the number of days came into play.

In the 1950s, partial season service was computed at the rate of 172 days equaling a full season (the same as it is now). That in spite of the fact that seasons back then featured 154 games played over 168 days. (I think the 172 day figure was/is tied to U.S. labor legislation.)

ETA: The 172 days to a full season requirement for part-season service goes back to at least 1940.

ETA2: The 172 days to a full season requirement for part-season service goes back to at least 1931. (The requirement appears in the 1931 major league rules.)

03-21-2018, 03:47 PM	#1
scott1964 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 5,626	Service Time How is service time calculated in 19. I thought if a players is on the roster all year that counts as one year of service time. Below is an example of Robert Armstrong in his three seasons thus far has only over a year of service time. Edit: set at 172 days, not sure if that is accurate. Second Edit. My mess up of the 1872 Season is probably to blame. __________________ This just feels more like waiting in line at the Department of Motor Vehicles. PETA.....People Eating Tasty Animals. Last edited by scott1964; 03-21-2018 at 03:52 PM.

03-21-2018, 04:34 PM	#5
scott1964 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 5,626	Service time is not that big of a deal until the mid 20th century. __________________ This just feels more like waiting in line at the Department of Motor Vehicles. PETA.....People Eating Tasty Animals.

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AESP_pres Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Province of Quebec Posts: 4,179	Not exactly, you need 10 years of service time to be considered for the HOF. So if you need three times the normal time you are penalized, but on the other hand no one is really HOF worthy except for the pitchers in the 19th century for many years. __________________ FGs I did for the pack. 1871 to 1930 Updated FGs who aren't in the pack yet. 1931 to 1940 1941 to 1950 1951 to 1960 1961 to 1970 (in progress)

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Caporegime All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Borough of Kings Posts: 1,713	I usually set the minimum days of service for 1 service year to whatever number of games the league has scheduled plus 10 (e.g. 162/172, 154/164, 146/156, etc). That decision isn't based on anything scientific, realistic, or as the result of years worth of intense research and fervent number crunching with an old abacus. It just seems to be the easiest solution that produces plausible results that I can live with. By default, MLB is set at 162/172, so I figured that's a good formula to follow. __________________ "If you don't know where you are going, you'll wind up someplace else." - Lawrence Peter Berra Last edited by Caporegime; 03-21-2018 at 06:59 PM.

03-21-2018, 08:01 PM	#9
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,642	Service time, at least in the earlier years, only factored in during partial season service. If a player was on the roster for the full regular season, that was a year of service, regardless of the length of the season. If a player only played part of a season, then the number of days came into play. In the 1950s, partial season service was computed at the rate of 172 days equaling a full season (the same as it is now). That in spite of the fact that seasons back then featured 154 games played over 168 days. (I think the 172 day figure was/is tied to U.S. labor legislation.) ETA: The 172 days to a full season requirement for part-season service goes back to at least 1940. ETA2: The 172 days to a full season requirement for part-season service goes back to at least 1931. (The requirement appears in the 1931 major league rules.) Last edited by Le Grande Orange; 03-22-2018 at 11:36 AM. Reason: Added info. Again.

03-21-2018, 04:14 PM	#2
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,216	Yeah, if you have the days for a year of service set to 172, but your season length is much shorter than that, then you'll get like the above. If he's at 1.123 years, then that means he's accumulated ~300 days of service in 3 years, so you probably want your days for 1 year to be less than 100.