Teams' potential starting 40-man rosters

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

With one of my current saved game projects, currently called Baseball Heaven, I'm presently thinking that the potential 40-man rosters for 32 teams as I may currently have it now in my Baseball Heaven setup might be as follows, folks. Comments are welcome, as long as they are all quite respectful and all, and as long as no bad language, et cetera, is used when commenting here, by the way. Most, if not all, of the players below, will be historical players, with them generally starting as soon as they possibly can, mostly in their late teens to early twenties, if and whenever possible, just so you all know this here well enough, everyone.

I am going to start with teams in the American League first, then go to teams in the National League, and then the Continental League, and then the Federal League, for your information. Unless otherwise stated, teams will most likely be in their classic locations, just so you know this well enough, at least at first. Such as the Braves in Boston, for example. Players may be listed alphabetically, or not, as I may see fit, as well, for each team's members. Where parks are not mentioned for certain teams, I may be willing to take suggestions for where a team should perhaps play their home games, if and whenever possible, for that matter. Players may not be listed under the teams you might normally expect, however, for space-related or balance-related reasons, at least, if not for any other reasons as well, in fact. So you have been notified of that fact, so please don't be too surprised if you see some potentially quite-unexpected player assignments at any point or points in this thread here, everyone.

We will begin with the Boston Red Sox, preferably under the management of Joe Cronin or someone like him, and with some version of Fenway Park as their home park, at least at first, if possible:

Ted Williams
Carl Yastrzemski
Wade Boggs
Dwight Evans
Jim Rice
Bobby Doerr
Johnny Pesky
Nomar Garciaparra
Cy Young
Roger Clemens
Carlton Fisk
Luis Tiant
Time Wakefield
Pedro Martinez
David Ortiz
Dustin Pedroia
Jason Varitek
Frank Malzone
Mo Vaughn
Dom DiMaggio
Bob Stanley
Jonathan Papelbon
Mike Timlin
Derek Lowe
Ellis Kinder
Duffy Lewis
David Eckstein
Candy Cummings
Al Spalding
George Ruth
Bill Bonham
Ruppert Jones
Damaso Garcia
Steve Lake
Pete Filson
Joey McLaughlin
Fred Toliver
Mark Wagner
Ed Lynch
Bruce Bochte

Possible contenders for spots on the 40-man roster for the Boston Red Sox will be determined later, if and whenever possible, while I'm still in the process of trying to finish work with this saved game world/universe setup for Baseball Heaven.

Moving on to the Chicago White Sox, preferably under the management of Al Lopez or someone like him, and perhaps playing in some version of Comiskey Park, if possible, we now are going to do here.

Chicago White Sox:

Luis Aparicio
Luke Appling
Harold Baines
Mark Buehrle
Charles Comiskey
Ray Durham
Red Faber
Keith Foulke
Nellie Fox
Emil Gross
Harry Hooper
Shoeless Joe Jackson
Fielder Jones
Willie Kamm
Paul Konerko
Ted Lyons
Biz Mackey
Jack McDowell
Jose Mendez
Minnie Minoso
Magglio Ordonez
Billy Pierce
Ray Schalk
Bobby Thigpen
Frank Thomas
Robin Ventura
Ed Walsh
Doc White
Hoyt Wilhelm
Wilbur Wood
Pete Ladd
Britt Burns
Tom Brookens
Dennis Lamp
Jay Aldrich
Johnnie LeMaster
Steve Jeltz
Jeff Newman
Rufino Linares
Alejandro Pena

Next up, the Cleveland Indians, preferably under the leadership of a player-manager named Lou Boudreau, and playing in Cleveland Stadium, if possible, they might be as follows, at least at first.

Sandy Alomar, Jr.
Earl Averill, Sr.
Jersey Bakley
Lou Boudreau
Jack Clements
Rocky Colavito
Stan Coveleski
larry Doby
Bob Feller
Mike Garcia
Mel Harder
Jim Hegan
Doug Jones
Addie Joss
Kevin Kouzmanoff
Nap Lajoie
Bob Lemon
Kenny Lofton
Jose Mesa
Al Rosen
Joe Sewell
Tris Speaker
Jim Thome
Hal Trosky, Sr.
Omar Vizquel
Fleet (Moses) Walker
Welday Walker
Bill Wambsganss
Bob Wickman
Early Wynn
Benny Distefano
Mark Huismann
Keith Moreland
Jerry Martin
Kelvin Chapman
Pete O'Brien
Ivan DeJesus, Sr.
Joe Carter
Argenis (Angel) Salazar

Next, the Detroit Tigers, preferably under the management of Sparky Anderson and playing in some version of Tiger Stadium, if possible.

Detroit Tigers:

Tommy Bridges
Jim Bunning
Miguel Cabrera
Bob Caruthers
Ty Cobb
Rip (Harry) Collins
Hooks Duass
Bill Freehan
Charlie Gehringer
Hank Greenberg
Harry Heilman
Omar Infante
Todd Jones
Al Kaline
George Kell
Mickey Lolich
Jack Morris
Hal Newhouser
Dave Orr
Lance Parrish
Aurelio Rodriguez
Billy Rogell
Dupee Shaw
Mickey Stanley
Frank Tanana
Alan Trammell
Dizzy Trout
Bobby Veach
Justin Verlander
Lou Whitaker
Pat Dodson
Bobby Bonilla
Rick Matula
Kirk Gibson
Dave Bergman
Gaylord Perry
Lynn Jones
Dave Palmer
Luis Pujols
Terry Harper

Next, the New York Yankees, preferably under the management of Joe McCarthy, and playing in some version of the classic Yankee Stadium, if at all possible.

New York Yankees:

Ross Barnes
Hank Bauer
Yogi Berra
Clete Boyer
Jack Chesbro
Ed Daily
Bill Dickey
Joe DiMaggio
Whitey Ford
Lou Gehrig
Ron Guidry
Waite Hoyt
Derek Jeter
Matt Kilroy
Tony Lazzeri
Sparky Lyle
Mickey Mantle
Don Mattingly
Johnny Murphy
Graig Nettles
Roger Peckinpaugh
Herb Pennock
Willie Randolph
Dave Righetti
Mariano Rivera
Phil Rizzuto
Babe Ruth
Bob Shawkey
Bernie Williams
Butch Wynegar
Jim Presley
Frank Wills
Gary Pettis
Luis Salazar
Dave Goltz
Mike Davis
Randy Niemann
Mike Moore
Barry Lyons
Doug Corbett

Next, the Philadelphia Athletics, preferably under the management of Connie Mack, and perhaps playing their home games in some version of Shibe Park, if possible.

Philadelphia Athletics:

Chief Bender
Max Bishop
Bert Campaneris
Ray Chapman
Mickey Cochrane
Eddie Collins (Sr.?)
Jack Coombs
Ed Daily
Dennis Eckersley
Jimmie Foxx
Lefty Grove
George Hall
Topsy Hartsel
Rickey Henderson
George Hendrick
Rick Honeycutt
Catfish Hunter
Reggie Jackson
Eddie Joost
Carney Lansford
Paul Lindblad
Mark McGwire
Eddie Plank
Eddie Rommel
Al Simmons
Terry Steinbach
Rube Waddell
Rube Walberg
Tony Armas (Sr.?)
Sal Bando
Dave Stewart
Daryl Boston
Dickie Noles
Gary Lucas
Thad Bosley
Pat Zachry
Bryan Clutterbuck
Jay Johsnstone
Bob Dernier
Jack Lazorko

Next, the St. Louis Browns, preferably under the management of Earl Weaver, and perhaps playing in some version of Sportsman's Park, if possible, at least at first.

St. Louis Browns:

Brady Anderson
Lady Baldwin
Paul Blair
Zach Britton
Harlond Clift
Mike Cuellar
Rich Dauer
Rick Dempsey
Mike Flanagan
Baby Doll Jacobson
Hughie Jennings
Willie Keeler
Nick Markakis
Tippy Martinez
Scott McGregor
Dave McNally
Mike Mussina
Jim Palmer
Boog Powell
Lee Richmond
Cal Ripken, Jr.
Brian Roberts
Brooks Robinson
Herman Ruth
B.J. Ryan
Urban Shocker
George Sisler
Vern Stephens
Gus Triandos
Ken Williams
Barry Jones
Donnie Moore
Otis Nixon
John Wockenfuss
Larry Herndon
Ricky Horton
Todd Cruz
Dale Murray
Pascual Perez
Jim Gott

And finally, the likely last team for this post, at least, the Washington Senators, preferably under the management of the player-manager Bucky Harris, and playing in some version of Griffith Stadium, if possible.

Washington Senators:

Rick Aguilera
Ossie Bluege
Bert Blyleven
Tom Brunansky
Charlie J. Ferguson
Gary Gaetti
Greg Gagne
Goose Goslin
Eddie Guardado
Cristian Guzman
Bucky Harris
Kent Hrbek
Walter Johnson
Joe Judge
Harmon Killebrew
chuck Knoblauch
Firpo Marberry
Joe Mauer
George Myatt
Joe Nathan
Tony Oliva
Camilo Pascual
Kirby Puckett
Brad Radke
Sam Rice
Muddy Ruel
Homer (Doc) Smoot
Zoilo Versalles
Frank Viola
Alejandro Sanchez
Dennis Rasmussen
Carmelo (Carmen) Martinez
Scott Holman
Pete Vuckovich
Devon White (Whyte)
Kevin Saucier
Ron Roenicke
Vern Ruhle
Larry Milbourne

National, Continental, and Federal League potential 40-man team rosters will be announced in future posts in this thread, if at all possible, of course, folks, just so you know.

There will likely be no DH's, no regular-season interleague play except for perhaps the All-Star Game, and 154-game schedules, to name just a few of the settings I will likely have in this Baseball Heaven-related project of mine, if not all of them. I still have to get the players' numbers in order for a number of teams, at the very least, and put them in their right classical parks, if they aren't already in them, too, it seems to me, as well.

In the meantime, before I post the National League teams' potential 40-man rosters, I'd really like to see what you all think of the selections I've made so far for the teams mentioned above, if possible, and whenever possible. Please feel free to comment, if and when you like and can, as respectfully as possible and all. Thank you all for your time and attention and all, as well, of course, folks. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

I guess that the first post in this thread still hasn't gotten any real response, even as far as how each aforementioned team might choose their usual 25-man rosters from the players listed under each of them at present. So maybe I should see if this next post that covers teams from the National League that I have in mind for this setup here might get more interest in this thread than the first post has done so far, then.

Okay, continuing on, the next team in order would be the Boston Braves, preferably under the management of Bobby Cox, and playing perhaps in some version of Braves Field, if possible and if appropriate, at least at first.

Boston Braves:

Hank Aaron
Joe Adcock
Steve Bedrosian
Bruce Benedict
George Bradley
Pete Browning
Lew Burdette
Rico Carty
Gene Garber
Tom Glavine
Tommy Holmes
Glenn Hubbard
Andruw Jones
Chipper Jones
Craig Kimbrel
Mark Lemke
Greg Maddux
Rabbit Maranville
Eddie Mathews
Dale Murphy
Kid Nichols
Phil Niekro
Rafael Ramirez
Bill Rariden
John Smoltz
Warren Spahn
Fred Tenney
Joe Torre
Jim Whitney
Vic Willis
Len Barker
Mickey Hatcher
Doyle Alexander
Jerry Reed
Dave Engle
Jime Beattie
Wally Backman
Milt May
Keith Miller
Jorge Orta

Next up, the Brooklyn Dodgers, preferably under the management of Walter Alston, and playing perhaps in some version of Ebbets Field, at least at first.

Brooklyn Dodgers:

Dusty Baker
Oyster Burns
Roy Campanella
Ron Cey
Larry Corcoran
Willie Davis
Don Drysdale
Carl Furillo
Steve Garvey
Jim Gilliam
Burleigh Grimes
Orel Hershiser
Gil Hodges
Kenley Jansen
Clayton Kershaw
Sandy Koufax
Davey Lopes
Don Newcombe
Todd Niedenfuer
Pee Wee Reese
Pete Reiser
Jackie Robinson
Mike Scioscia
Don Sutton
Dick Tracewski
Fernando Valenzuela
Dazzy Vance
Zack Wheat
Maury Wills
Duke Snider
Dave Hostetler
Steve Howe
Tim Lollar
Dave Henderson
Charlie Moore
Jeffrey Leonard
Paul Zuvella
Rick Monday
Bob Randall
Steve Balboni

Next, the Chicago Cubs, preferably under the management of Charlie Grimm, and playing in some version of Wrigley Field, if possible.

Chicago Cubs:

Cap Anson
Ernie Banks
Mordecai Brown
Frank Chance
Done Elston
Johnny Evers
Max Flack
Frank Hankinson
Gabby Hartnett
Solly Hofman
Todd Hundley
Ferguson Jenkins
Bill Jurges
Johnny Kling
Carlos Marmol
Aramis Ramirez
Rick Reuschel
Charlie Root
Ryne Sandberg
Ron Santo
Jimmy Sheckard
Lee Smith
Sammy Sosa
Rick Sutcliffe
Joe Tinker
Hippo Vaughn
Lon Warneke
Billy Williams
Hack Wilson
Eric King
Jody Davis
Sid Bream
Cliff Johnson
Rudy May
Mike Smithson
Rod Gilbreath
Al Cowens
Jeff Reed
Houston Jimenez

Next up, the Cincinnati Reds, preferably under the management of Bill McKechnie, and playing perhaps in some version of Crosley Field, if possible, at least at first.

Cincinnati Reds:

Johnny Bench
Jose Cardenal
Dave Concepcion
Rob Dibble
Dan Driessen
George Foster
Danny Graves
Noodles Hahn
Tom Hume
Ted Kluszewski
Frank LaPorte
Barry Larkin
Ernie Lombardi
Dolf Luque
Jim Maloney
Joe Morgan
Tony Mullane
Joe Nuxhall
Tony Perez
Brandon Phillips
Vada Pinson
Jose Rijo
Eppa Rixey
Frank Robinson
Pete Rose, Sr.
Edd Roush
Mario Soto
Bill Stearns
Joey Votto
Bruce Berenyi
Mike Lum
Kelly Mann
Frank LaCorte
Paul O'Neill
Richie Hebner
Jeff Blauser
Ron Hassey
Dennis Werth
Skip Lockwood

Next up, the New York Giants, preferably under the management of John McGraw, and playing perhaps in some version of the Polo Grounds, at least at first.

New York Giants:

Sandy Alomar, Sr.
Rich Aurilia
Rod Beck
Barry Bonds
George Burns
Art Devlin
Frankie Frisch
Carl Hubbell
Travis Jackson
Gary Lavelle
Whitey Lockman
Javier Lopez
Juan Marichal
Rube Marquard
Christy Mathewson
Willie Mays
Willie McCovey
Joe McGinnity
Robb Nen
Mel Ott
Buster Posey
Felix Rodriguez
Amos Rusie
Bill Terry
Fred Toney
Cesar Tovar
Mickey Welch
Wes Westrum
Matt WIlliams
Julio Solano
Glenn Braggs
Ken Schrom
Bob Apodaca
Rusty Kuntz
Mike Ivie
Urbano Lugo
Glenn Hoffman
Cecilio Guante
Rick Manning

Next up, the Philadelphia Phillies, preferably under the management of Charlie Manuel, but I haven't yet decided what park to have them perhaps play their home games in, if possible, whether classical or current. Any reasonable suggestions you might have will certainly be considered, people, for which park should perhaps be their home park, at least at first, that is.

Philadelphia Phillies:

Bobby Abreu
Pete Alexander
Richie Ashburn
Larry Bowa
Steve Carlton
Ed Delahanty
Cole Hamels
Billy Hamilton (Late 19th Century to perhaps early 20th Century player, IIRC)
Hardie Henderson
Jim Hickman
Ryan Howard
Randy Hundley
Chuck Klein
Mike Leberthal
Fred Luderus
Ryan Madson
Sherry Magee
Tug McGraw
Ron Reed
Robin Roberts
Scott Rolen
Jimmy Rollins
Carlos Ruiz
Curt Schilling
Mike Schmidt
Chris Short
Curt Simmons
Tony Talyor
Chase Utley
Rick Wise
Gene Richards
Ed Hodge
Ken Dixon
Kiko Garcia
Greg Minton
Odell Jones
Eddie Murray
Joe Lefebvre
John Christensen
Mike Bielecki

Next, the Pittsburgh Pirates, preferably under the management of Danny Murtaugh, and playing perhaps in some version of Forbes Field, if possible, at least at first.

Pittsburgh Pirates:

Bob Allison
Jake Beckley
Steve Blass
John Candelaria
Max Carey
Roberto Clemente
WIlbur Cooper
Ray Dandridge
Leon Day
Patsy Dougherty
Roy Face
Bob Friend
Harvey Haddix
Jim Holdsworth
Jason Kendall
Ralph Kiner
Vern Law
Bill Madlock
Bill Mazeroski
Andrew McCutchen
Deacon Phillippe
Rick Rhoden
Manny Sanguillen
Willie Stargell
Gus Suhr
Kent Tekulve
Pie Traynor
Arky Vaughn
Honus Wagner
Neil Walker
Chris Pittaro
Mike Stanton (No, not the current player who once played under this name)
Bill Krueger
Greg Walker
Mike LaValliere
Vance Law
Rick Miller
Jim Wohlford
Larry Biittner
Willie Hernandez

Next, the likely final team for this particular post, and my favorite MLB team of all time, for certain reasons I will perhaps reveal later, if I so choose, et cetera, is the St. Louis Cardinals, preferably under the management of Whitey Herzog, and playing perhaps in some version of Busch Stadium, if at all possible, at least at first.

St. Louis Cardinals:

Joaquin Andujar
Jim Bottomley
Ken Boyer
Harry Brecheen
Lou Brock
Dizzy Dean
Bob Forsch
Bob Gibson
Jesse Haines
Bill Hallahan
Rogers Hornsby
Jason Isringhausen
Marty Marion
Mike Matheny
Willie McGee
Joe Medwick
Yadier Molina
Stan Musial
Placido Polanco
Albert Pujols
Red Schoenedienst
Bill Sherdel
Enos Slaughter
Ozzie Smith
Bruce Sutter (My favorite baseball player of all-time)
Oscar Taveras
Patsy Tebeau
Michael Wacha
Adam Wainwright
Todd Worrell
Dave Collins
Floyd Youmans
Jerry Reuss
Bob Bailor
John Tudor
Jim Clancy
Bobby Bonds
Juan Beniquez
Gary Woods
Bill Russell

Possible other contenders for said 40-man roster related to the St. Louis Cardinals, if not the 25-man roster, may include at least three fictional players, Rick Ankiel, and maybe even at least one clone of Rick Ankiel, but that is yet to be determined.

I have noticed that OOTP seems to sometimes get the caps and/or induction teams wrong for the Hall of Fame, when one starts playing with histories up to their game's starting year. Herzog, for instance, should not be listed as an Orioles player, I believe, but as a Cardinal in the Hall of Fame based on his managerial career. Perhaps in OOTP 19 or later versions, the Hall selection process for leagues in people's game worlds/universes could be modified to allow choices for induction teams of players and/or managers and/or executives for game players, et cetera. Or even allow categories for elections by certain required committees, et cetera. Bruce Sutter should be listed as a Cardinal, not as a Cub, as a result of his HoF RL plaque, I think, even though, I must admit, he did earn most of his WAR and played longer for the Cubs than he did with the Cardinals and the Braves. Yet, he won the WS with the Cards and I think he did the best with the Cards, on average, in comparison with how he did with the Cubs and Braves, if memory serves.

Bruce Sutter and Whitey Herzog, of course, probably wouldn't be the only players or coaches or managers or executives affected by this proposed HoF-related suggestion here, but it still might be worth considering the possibility of looking into modifying how the HoF's members are listed, et cetera, I think, for OOTP 19 and/or other future versions of OOTP, at least, if not also the Franchise Hockey Manager series to at least some degree.

Thank you all for your time and attention here, and I hope you all soon comment on my choices of players, managers, and/or parks, at least, if at all possible and desired, everyone. Would really like to know what you may possibly think of them all, too, if I can, for sure. CD out.

[kev24fan]

No Vince Coleman on the Cards?

[kev24fan]

I would love to get this when you get this done. It sounds great.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

As for whether or not Vince Coleman might ever end up in the Cardinals organization somewhere by the time I'm done with this project, you'll perhaps just have to wait and see, Kev. I still have much work to do, for sure, with this, before I'm going to be sufficiently satisfied with it. May not even be done with it before I might eventually be able to get OOTP 19, at that, perhaps. We'll just have to see what happens. CD out.

[The Game]

Moving on to the Chicago White Sox, preferably under the management of Al Lopez or someone like him, and perhaps playing in some version of Comiskey Park, if possible, we now are going to do here.

Chicago White Sox:

Luis Aparicio
Luke Appling
Harold Baines
Mark Buehrle
Charles Comiskey - Use as owner, as a player he sucked.
Ray Durham
Red Faber
Keith Foulke
Nellie Fox
Emil Gross - never played for Sox
Harry Hooper - played 5 seasons for CWS, 12 for BOS
Shoeless Joe Jackson
Fielder Jones
Willie Kamm - I would replace him with Crede
Paul Konerko
Ted Lyons
Biz Mackey - NNL
Jack McDowell
Jose Mendez - NLB
Minnie Minoso
Magglio Ordonez
Billy Pierce
Ray Schalk
Bobby Thigpen
Frank Thomas
Robin Ventura
Ed Walsh
Doc White
Hoyt Wilhelm
Wilbur Wood
Pete Ladd - Never played for the Sox
Britt Burns
Tom Brookens - Never played or Sox
Dennis Lamp - 25-21 3.45 ERA I wouldnt have him on here.
Jay Aldrich - same as below
Johnnie LeMaster - never played for Sox
Steve Jeltz - Never played for Sox
Jeff Newman - Never played for the Sox
Rufino Linares - Never played for the Sox
Alejandro Pena - This guy never played for the White Sox

So where did you get these names from? Are these players from another league? Several didn't even play for the Sox , so i am a bit confused.
Here is how i have done a similar team
1B Frank Thomas
1B Paul Konerko
2B Eddie Collins -Could be on A's also
2B Nellie Fox
3B Ventura
3B Buck Weaver or Crede
SS Aparicio
SS Appling
SS Guillen
LF Tim Raines
LF Carlos May even Carlos Lee
CF Lance Johnson
CF Jim Landis
RF Magglio
RF Shoeless Joe can also go on Cleveland
RF Baines
C Fisk unless you put him on Boston
C Lollar
C Schalk
C Karkovice or Pierzynski
Durham, Grebeck, Cora, Jimmy Callahan, Shano Collins, Johnny Mostil, Dave Philley & Ken berry could substitute a few players if you put them on teams where they had better season like Fisk, Shoeless Joe and perhaps Eddie Collins.
SP - Chris Sale
SP - Eddie Ciccotte
SP - Billy Pierce
SP - Mark Buerhle
SP - Jack McDowell
SP - Alex fernandez
SP - Doc White
SP - Ed Walsh
SP - Gary Peters
SP - Wilbur Wood
SP - Hoyt Wilhelm
SP/ RP - Bart Johnson - i'm biased on this one
SP - LaMarr Hoyt
SP - Ted Lyons
SP Jim Scott, maybe, SP Lefty Williams, maybe, SP Joe Horlen maybe
CL - Foulke
CL Thigpen
CL Roberto Hernandez
RP Scott Radinsky
RP Donn Pall - biased here too
SP - Red Faber
Some of these players are in teh attached files. i started a league of my all time favortite players to play for each team but never finished. Mosty players are from 1976 - 2016. You can have those text files if you want them although they are from when the player debuted with that team not their rookie year unless they debuted as a rookie.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Everyone, please note the second paragraph of this thread's first post. Especially where it says, "Players may not be listed under the teams you might normally expect, however, for space-related or balance-related reasons, at least, if not for any other reasons as well, in fact." Seeing as real-world MLB has only 30 teams, not 32 as in this setup, the other two teams have to be stocked as well, of course, for this setup, and I would prefer to keep the number of fictional players down as much as possible for them, at least at first. Also, I wanted to add certain Negro League and/or other players to the mix of players available for various teams to have on their rosters to at least some degree, also at first.

Some of the players did not pan out in real life, but in at least one of my saved games, or at least in games that have begun inducting Hall of Fame members, certain players have been inducted so far, and I thought that it might be a good idea to include them in this game, to see how well they might do against certain other players they might not have yet encountered in any such saved game world/universe of mine to this point in time. I am also trying to spread out the talent, if, where, and when possible and appropriate, as fairly as I can, in the process of this baseball-related project of mine here, as well.

Yes, The Game, I know that many of the players listed for the White Sox, for example, never actually played for the White Sox in reality. But again I refer you to the second paragraph. Many of the names you have seen or will see, at least at first, will be of players that I have or once had baseball cards for in my life, if not most of them, in truth. However, I didn't generally add them to the teams' potential list of players until each team had at least 25-30 players, on average, already picked for them, at least for 30 of the teams I'm going to include in this setup, I believe.

The St. Louis Cardinals, for instance, will be hit considerably hard, I believe, by this sort of thing, with many of the good players ending up on at least one or two other teams, due to possible space-related concerns, for instance. They'll lose Jesse Burkett, Fernando Vina, and Danny Cox, to name a few of the players they'll ultimately be losing in this process, to at least one other team which I will mention later, for sure. Other teams will lose various other players as well. I did, however, at least for the first 15-25 players on the better-known teams, try to keep as many of their better players as possible. But certain teams, especially ones with longer franchise histories, will lose certain players, and that is unavoidable. Where players could not fit on their likely best-known team, for one reason or another, I tried often to place them on other franchises' rosters which they may have also played for in their actual careers, but was not always successful in that regard, I'm sure, everyone. For instance, Dave Winfield could logically have been on the Yankees, but I chose to place him with the Padres, as you will see later, seeing as the Yankees had many other possible choices for outfielders, of course.

Listen, I know that certain picks of players and/or managers for certain teams here may not necessarily agree well with you folks, at least every once in a while, but I'm trying to make it fairer, as best as I possibly can, for any player that may choose to run any team that may make its way into this game's setup, no matter what league that team may be in, by the time of this project's ultimate completion. Will I ultimately make a totally perfect setup here for this game's project? Probably not, but that doesn't mean I won't try, for sure, to do so, if and when and how I can, as best as I can, of course, folks.

I was beginning to type this on my tablet, but when it started to act up, I decided to try typing this on my laptop. As I write this, my tablet is still strangely in the process of starting up, even though I'd already started trying to type this post twice, before it started to do what it is now doing. For some reason, it's still acting up, and I had just unlocked it after it had spent hours charging up again, it seems. Hopefully it will eventually get back to the main screen, but we'll have to see about that later, I think. I hope it's not totally broken and all, or something, of course, but if it is, so be it, like it or not, folks.

Where players may not be on their expected teams, I sometimes tried to put them on teams closer to home, if not always. Mike Trout, for instance, will not be on the Angels, but on the New Jersey Generals, at least partly because he IS from New Jersey, after all, and I thought it appropriate that the Generals have a star who's actually from New Jersey and who might perhaps help to bring in the crowds for them, for instance. However, I don't know which park to use at least at first for the Generals, which I'm likely basing out of Newark, folks, at this point in time, whether historical or fictional. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, I'm sure. As for any teams without assigned parks that I may mention or have mentioned already in this thread, as well, in fact, the same thing will be true, I believe.

There will be no Washington Nationals here, seeing as the Senators are present. And I definitely happen to really like the idea of an MLB and/or AFBU team being in Montreal, because Toronto really needs another historical Canadian team to compete against instead of being Canada's only MLB/AFBU team here, I think.

I am also in the process of adding players manually to a draft pool for the 1901 season's draft, and I intend to do so manually after every season, if possible, with automatic creation of free agents off, and random debut off, and perhaps historical rookies off. This is so that I hopefully have more control over just who might be potentially draftable every year, seeing as the starting players here will have come from all over baseball history, after all.

Might I accidentally import certain players into the free agent or draft pools from time to time? Of course, but hopefully such instances will be rare to none, at any time, or at least as rare as possible, anyway, that is. Or might I accidentally import certain players more than once each? Possible, but hopefully that won't often happen, if at all, in the future, as well. Certainly there has already been, and probably will be, cloning, et cetera, at times, but I'll try to keep that from happening as much as I can, in any case at all, folks. However, with players like Babe Ruth, for example, I thought it might be better to give the Red Sox a starting pitcher, while the Yankees and Browns each get an outfielder. The Red Sox get George Ruth, the Yankees get Babe Ruth, and the Browns get Herman Ruth. I also have cloned Jose Mendez, and both of his clones are currently in the FA pool, under the names of Felipe Mencleri and Carlos Zedalva, if memory serves. Other players may be cloned from time to time as well, and I'm also thinking of perhaps cloning Jackie Robinson, by the way, but haven't yet decided to do that here. I'd like to perhaps import certain Japanese players into the mix periodically at some point, like Sadaharu Oh, for example, but have not yet been able to figure that sort of thing out here, unfortunately. Rest assured, though, if I can, I'll eventually get them into the mix, if not for MLB and/or the AFBU or whatever, then perhaps into the *** later, somehow, I'm quite sure.

I'll probably be posting my current picks for teams in the Continental League later today, if possible, but we'll all have to see about that later, I'm sure. Talk more with you all later, if and when I can, folks. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Also, I am trying to start out as many of the players as young as possible in this project of mine as I can, so that they might be able to have longer careers, for example. Of course, some players don't or didn't apparently begin their professional baseball careers anywhere at all until they are or were at least 23 to 25 years old, if not even older than that, if they even play or played at all. And I've definitely tried to minimize that sort of happening as much as I possibly can, all through this project-related process here, for various reasons, for your information. However, of course, I've not been totally successful in that regard, for obvious reasons.

Satchel Paige will NOT come in as an older player, but he will be beginning here at a much younger age than he ever was when he finally played in MLB, for sure, for one example of a player who I tried to grab as young as possible. I haven't yet added Toad Ramsey to the mix, either as a free agent or a draftable player, but in one of my saved games, specifically the one where the team I have been most recently running in it was in 14 straight World Series, winning 9 of them, if memory serves me correctly, before he ultimately retired, he had over 700 wins and 5,000 strikeouts, to name just a few of his major accomplishments, for two teams, mostly for my St. Louis franchise, which I took over in 1882, when they came in, moving from Cincinnati where I had to start from originally, and he currently holds at least ten pitching records, if not more, IIRC, and probably will hold on to most of them permanently, seeing as it's now late 1912 in that saved game's universe. At this point, the Cards do not yet have any HoF inductees, and a number of other teams do not yet have any either. The team in Chicago now known as the Cubs have several, as does the Brooklyn franchise, and a number of those have the Atlantics as their induction team. If Mike Tiernan had not retired when he did, he might have gone in as a Cardinal, but he went in as someone from Cincinnati in that game. He was a major player that helped me win several World Series after I took over the NL St. Louis team, I believe. I have several players from that run who are quite likely to get in the HoF soon, if I'm not too mistaken here, if and when I finally get that far into the applicable game's history, who have likely not yet become eligible for election to the Hall of Fame. I began winning sometime in the 1890's, and won fourteen NL pennants in a row before the Reds, I believe, finally knocked my team off the top of the NL heap. Would have to check that, though, to be sure here, at the moment.

If I can, I'll see if I can show you at least some screenshots of players' statistics from the applicable game, where you can see what they did to earn HoF election, or likely have very good chances to get into the HoF anytime in the very near future, folks, periodically. At least for at least a few of the players you may see listed already or later on certain teams' potential 40-man rosters here, anyway, or as potential candidates for them, that is.

Talk to you all later, if and when I can, then, I expect. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

The Game, if you were to assign numbers to the players currently listed for the White Sox in this thread, in terms of ones I've already selected, what numbers would you perhaps recommend I assign to those players, if at all possible? I will certainly have to assign certain numbers to each roster's players, if the game doesn't automatically do it, of course, you know, if I'm not too mistaken here. And not just for the White Sox, at that.

For teams with playing managers, I may have to clone the players, and possibly turn at least a few of those clones into coaches as well. I don't think it would be possible to turn Comiskey, for instance, into an owner here, but I think I could perhaps clone him and turn the resulting clone into a coach of some sort. And I could perhaps do the same thing with any number of other applicable players here. Or I could let them eventually retire and maybe see if they might turn into coaches later on.

I am still currently working on the 1901 draft pool here, and some of the names that will likely end up being drafted will be people like Hank Sauer, Edgar Renteria, and Jason Kipnis, to name just three of the possible members for the related draft pool. Even Carlos Delgado will likely be in the draft pool, as well, to name another player how may be draftable in the first draft here. I am currently collecting names of players for possible later inclusion in free agent and/or draft pools, and I even may now have enough names collected to even begin working on preparing the upcoming draft and/or free agency pools for at least the 1902 draft/free agency pools, if not as late as 1903, at least to a degree. Even if I don't choose to have the game create more than a certain number of fictional players before then, at least in this game's first league, that is.

As for Vince Coleman, I haven't worked him into the plans yet, either as a potential free agent or draftee or as a Commissioner-assigned player to one team or another. He'll probably not end up as a Cardinal, or at least not at first, because the Cardinals may have too many outfielders and not enough room for him anywhere, for instance, by the time this project might eventually be done to a sufficient enough degree. But we'll all have to see how things go here, of course, folks.

I'll probably post the potential rosters for at least eight more teams sometime later today, if things work out well enough to allow me to do that somehow here. But right now, I think I'd best get back to some housework, at least, as soon as possible, folks, even if I'd rather still be doing more computer work here right now. CD out.

[kev24fan]

I understand Coleman not making the Cards. I just was wondering since a few other from the 1980's team players were there. I was a big Cardinals fan during the 1984-1987 season.

I still like this and would love to get a copy of it if you finish it.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

I've been a Cardinals fan ever since at least 1982, and I was really happy to see them beat the Brewers in 1982, before I was even 10 years old, in fact. As for 1985, I think we were essentially robbed, at least in part, by that missed Dekinger call, and I also remember the 1987 Series against the Twins up here in Minnesota. I think the Twins potentially had an unfair advantage with the Metrodome as their home field, and I generally do not consider teams in non-retractable domed stadiums as sufficiently legitimate World Series champions, or at least not very often, if at all, and never really have. That may or may not really be fair of me to say here, mind you, I admit.

But I've generally always thought that whenever possible, baseball should be played under the open air, and the same thing for football and/or soccer. Basketball and hockey, those sports are another story entirely, though, because those are more commonly not played during the warmer months in the Northern Hemisphere, compared to the reverse, in terms of when most of their games are played during a typical season, as far as I know in most countries of the world.

And I also still have a few negative thoughts about the 2013 World Series against the Boston Red Sox. Nothing personal against the Red Sox or their players or organization, but some things about that World Series still bother me to a degree, at least, I think. Much like my likely still-present thoughts and/or feelings about the Super Bowl played between Pittsburgh and the Cardinals several years back may also be here. Probably in both cases, a lot of them may somehow stem at least from certain thoughts possibly related to the officiating and/or umpiring in the related game or games, to at least some degree, I think.

In this particular game's overall world/universe setup, I don't really want to use domed stadiums any more than I might absolutely have to, but certain teams may have to be placed in a non-retractable domed stadium here, for various reasons. Teams like the Colt .45's/Astros, for example, whether I like it or not, in truth. Even though I am really not a fan of them at all, or at least not much, anyway, if at all.

There are probably going to be a certain number of cloned players in this setup, by the time I'm done setting it up as needed and/or desired, but preferably not too many, of course, at least at first. Just how many might be required, though, is yet to be discovered and/or determined here, of course.

Well, it's probably time for me to perhaps get right back to work here on some more housework, I think, everyone. Until my next post in this thread, at least, if not another one, then, I'll close this, and await more of your potential possible replies here. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

I should probably get to the next batch of teams now and the players I have currently picked as possible members of their potential 40-man rosters here, along with other related details for them, I think. We left off with the Cardinals, if memory serves, so it's evidently time to move on to the teams I've chosen for the Continental League in my current planned setup for my Baseball Heaven project.

The next team to be revealed here in this thread is therefore the Arizona Diamondbacks, and they would preferably be under the management of Bob Brenly, who may also find himself as a playing manager here. They would probably play in some version of Bank One Ballpark, I think, if at all possible, at least at first. Now here is where some things start to really get interesting, for at least a few teams in my planned overall setup, seeing as the known history of the Arizona Diamondbacks, for example, isn't quite as long as the franchise histories of many other teams in MLB history, at least. And possibly also for at least a few other reasons possibly already mentioned earlier in the thread, of course, at that.

Arizona Diamondbacks:

Brian Anderson
Jay Bell
Roger Bresnahan
John Clarkson
Josh Collmeter
Patrick Corbin
Craig Counsell
Babe Dahlgren
Daisy Davis (Another HoF'er, I believe, in one of my saved games)
Buck Ewing
Steve Finley
Elmer Flick
Paul Goldschmidt
Luis Gonzalez
Tim Keefe
Ian Kennedy
Byung-hyun Kim
Buck Leonard
Denny Lyons
A.J. Pollock
Mark Reynolds
Jack Rothrock
Jose Valverde
Bobby Wallace
John Ward
Brandon Webb
Dick Woodson
Ross Youngs
Brad Ziegler
Heinie Zimmerman
Al Bumbry
Tom Nieto
Tom Candiotti
Bill Scherrer
Ty Waller
Sam Horn
Bill Schroeder
Curt WIlkerson
Salome Barajas
Bob Brenly

Next up, the California Angels, who would preferably be under the management of Gene Mauch, who may or may not also be a playing manager here, at some point, if not immediately. I'm thinking that perhaps some version of Angel Stadium might be best for them to play their home games in, at least at first, of course.

California Angels:

Don Aase
Garrett Anderson
Bob Boone
Rod Carew
Dean Chance
Doug DeCinces
Jim Edmonds
Jim Fregosi
Darin Erstad
Chuck Finley
Troy Glaus
Bobby Grich
Wally Joyner
Howie Kendrick
Adam Kennedy
John Lackey
Mark Langston
Peanuts Lowrey
Ken McBride
Kirk McCaskill
Troy Percival
Buck Rodgers
Tim Salmon
Scott Schoeneweis
Dick Schofield (Jr.?)
Scot Shields
Chick Stahl
Jered Weaver
Mike Witt
Pat Tabler
Bob Walk
Reid Nichols
Jim Slaton
Bo Jackson
Andy Van Slyke
Doug Bair
Fred Lynn
Tom Foley
Julio Franco

Possibly Gene Mauch, among others, might perhaps contend for a spot, depending on who the Angels might sign after enough free agents have been created, et cetera, for teams to sign later. I still have a lot more players to add, either to the draft pool or free agency pool before this project will be able to be completed, I'm quite sure. Other teams will likely need to sign others to contend for spots on the appropriate rosters as well, of course, everyone.

Next up, the Colorado Rockies, preferably under the management of Clint Hurdle, who also may end up being a player-manager at some point for them, in truth. I see them perhaps playing their home games either in some version of Coors Field or Mile High Stadium, if possible, at least at first. We will see at least two, if not at least three, Negro League players on this potential roster, I believe, and perhaps at least one player who may have possibly made the Hall of Fame in that other saved game of mine, come to think of it, folks. Or may eventually make it, depending on their final numbers, whether they're retired yet or not, that is.

Colorado Rockies:

Nolan Arenado
Pedro Astacio
Garrett Atkins
Clint Barmes
Ginger Beaumont
Dante Bichette
Vinnie Castilla
Aaron Cook
Jorge de la Rosa
Martin Dihigo
Fred Dunlap
Dexter Fowler
Jeff Francis
Brad Fuentes
Josh Gibson
Carlos Gonzalez
Brad Hawpe
Todd Helton
Matt Holliday
Nick Hundley
Jason Jennings
Jose Jimenez
Ubaldo Jimenez
D.J. LeMahieu
Curt Leskanic
Lefty Marr
Huston Street
Troy Tulowitzki
Todd Walker
Jamey Wright
Dan Meyer
Kelly Gruber
Marvell Wynne
Tony Bernazard
Mike Aldrete
Candy Maldonado
Jose DeLeon
Joe Sambito
George Vukovich
Kurt Stillwell

Possibly also Clint Hurdle, among others, may contend for a spot, depending on who the Rockies may end up with in time by the time Spring Training finally begins in 1901 for them, at least.

Next up, the Houston Colt .45's/Astros, preferably under the management of Phil Garner, who may or may not also be a player-manager for them at some point in time, if not immediately, and probably perhaps in either some version of Enron/Minute Maid or the Astrodome, if possible, at least at first. They will begin as the Colt .45's, seeing as the starting year of this setup would be 1901, after all. But I envision them seriously considering changing their name to the Astros decades later, when it is more logical for them to be called the Astros, of course.

Houston Colt .45's/Astros:

Jose Altuve
Brad Ausmus
Jeff Bagwell
Kevin Bass
Lance Berkman
Craig Biggio
Michael Bourn
Ken Caminiti
Cesar Cedeno
Carlos Correa
Jose Cruz (Sr.)
Glenn Davis
Larry Dierker
Bill Doran
Ken Forsch
Darryl Kile
Bob Knepper
Brad Lidge
Johnny Lucadello
Roger Metzger
Joe Niekro
Roy Oswalt
Doug Rader
J.R. Richard
Nolan Ryan (Could've put him on the Angels or Rangers, of course, but chose here)
Mike Scott
Billy Wagner
Rynie Wolters (Actually born in the Netherlands, but OOTP has him as American-born)
Craig Reynolds
Shane Reynolds
Frank DiPino
Joe Amalfitano
John Curtis
Lenny Dykstra
Bo Diaz
Ed Whitson
Rene Gonzales
Enos Cabell
Ted Power
Joe Ferguson

Possibly Phil Garner may also contend for a spot, but that depends on what other players the Colt .45's/Astros may ultimately also have in their organization, of course, at some later point, et cetera, folks.

Next up, the Kansas City Royals, preferably under the management of Dick Howser, and probably playing in some version of Kauffman/Royals Stadium, if at all possible, at least at first, I think.

Kansas City Royals:

Kevin Appier
Carlos Beltran
George Brett
Alcides Escobar
Alex Gordon
Zack Greinke
Mark Gubicza
Larry Gura
Eric Hosmer
Charlie Leibrandt
Pepper Martin (Another lost Cardinal, seeing as KC is closer to Oklahoma than STL)
Frank McCarton (Another HoF'er in my other game, I believe)
Hal McRae
Jeff Montgomery
Mike Moustakas
Amos Otis
Freddie Patek
Darrell Porter (Another lost Cardinal, but fits better with KC than STL, due to space)
Jamie Quirk (See comment for Porter)
Dan Quisenberry (Another former Cardinal, but best known with KC pre-STL time)
Cookie Rojas
Bret Saberhagen
Joakim Soria
Paul Splittorff
Mike Sweeney (Former Cardinal, I believe, but better known for KC years)
Perry Werden (RL wasn't primarily a pitcher, but in my game, was HoF pitcher, IIRC)
Frank White
Willie Wilson
Tom York (HoF'er in other game)
Omar Moreno
Rich Yett
Dan Spillner
Jeff Robinson
Luis Leal
Len Matuszek
Rob Deer
Tim Teufel
Todd Frohwirth
Jackie Gutierrez

Next up, the San Diego Padres, preferably under the management of Dick Williams, and possibly perhaps playing in some version of Jack Murphy Stadium, at least at first.

San Diego Padres:

Bill Almon
Alan Ashby
Andy Ashby
Oscar Charleston (Yes, that Oscar Charleston)
Brian Giles
Marcus Giles
Adrian Gonzalez
Goose Gossage (No room for him on the Yankees, at least, so here he is)
Luke Gregerson
Tony Gwynn (Sr.) (Can't have a real Padres all-time team w/o him, Mr. Padre, for sure)
Chick Hafey
Chase Headley
Trevor Hoffman
Bruce Hurst
Judy Johnson (Yep, another Negro League player)
Randy Jones
High Pockets Kelly
Terry Kennedy
Craig Lefferts
Rowland Office
Akinori Otsuka
Jake Peavy
Al Pratt (Another HoF'er)
Bip Roberts
Dave Roberts
Benito Santiago
Eric Show
Garry Templeton
Bobby Tolan
Dave Winfield
chuck Rainey
Ken Singleton
Ray Searage
John Moses
Wayne Gross
Gary Roenicke
Mark Clear
Leon Roberts
Bucky Dent

Next up, the Seattle Mariners, preferably under the management of Lou Piniella, although it still remains to be seen whether he'll perhaps be a playing manager for them at some point, I think. They'll likely be playing either in some version of the Kingdome or Safeco Field, if possible, at least at first.

Seattle Mariners:

Yuniesky Betancourt
Phil Bradley
Jay Buhner
Dick Burns
Robinson Cano
Alvin Davis
Ken Griffey (Sr.)
Ken Griffey (Jr.)
Felix Hernandez
Raul Ibanez
Randy Johnson (He'd fit well, perhaps, with some teams, but fits best with SEA, IMHO)
Edgar Martinez
Tino Martinez
Carl McVey (Another HoF'er)
Levi Meyerle (Same as McVey)
Jamie Moyer
Joel Pineiro
J.J. Putz
Harold Reynolds
Alex Rodriguez
Kazuhiro Sasaki
Corey Seager (Thought the Seager brothers should play together)
Kyle Seager (See last comment)
Ichiro Suzuki
Jarrod Washburn
Dan Wilson
Mike Zunino
Ryan Franklin
Freddy Garcia
Garry Maddox
Billy Hatcher
Dave Stegman
Al Pulido
Mike Loynd
Keith Hughes
Enrique Romo
Jose Guzman
Gary Gray
Randy Myers

Possibly Lou Piniella, among others, may also contend for roster spots with Seattle, et cetera, if certain things might happen later, folks, for them, Seattle and/or certain other teams here, I think.

And now to the likely last team I'll mainly talk about here in this post, at least, I think. That team is the Texas Rangers, and they'd preferably be under the management of Ron Washington, who may or may not eventually be a playing manager for them as well, at some point, if not immediately. And I'm not yet sure just what park might be most appropriate for them to play in from their now-long history in Texas after having moved from Washington, D.C., in the 1970's, IIRC. So any reasonable enough suggestions that you may perhaps have for them and their potential home park, at least at first, would be most appreciated, of course, I'm quite sure.

Texas Rangers:

Elvis Andrus
Buddy Bell
Adrian Beltre
Rocky Bridges
Kevin Brown
Snipe Conley
Chuck Cottier
Yu Darvish
Bill Foster (Yep, one of the players I was having trouble importing into what's now BH)
Juan Gonzalez
Rusty Greer
Charlie Hough
Frank Howard
Jim Kern
Ian Kinsler
Colby Lewis
Heinie Manush
Jocko Milligan
Darren Oliver
Rafael Palmeiro
Ivan Rodriguez
Kenny Rogers
Ruben Sierra
Jim Sundberg
Mark Teixeira
Lloyd Waner (No room on the Pirates, for sure, so I put him on a team closer to home)
Paul Waner (See above comment for his brother Lloyd)
John Wetteland
Bobby Witt
Michael Young
Jeff Cornell
Vic Mata
Danny Darwin
Joe Cowley
Jose Nunez
Terry Bross
John Cangelosi
Jim Wright
Brent Gaff
Jimmy Key

See above comment related to Ron Washington, at least, folks, for more information, at least when it comes to him here. Other potential contenders for roster spots are yet to be discovered and/or determined, of course, at least at this point.

I will try to have the next eight teams' potential rosters posted by sometime on Wednesday, at the very latest, but we'll all have to see about that, of course. Hopefully, by sometime tomorrow, though, I'll actually have them posted easily enough here, starting with the potential roster for the Federal League's Chicago Whales, folks.

As always, folks, I will gladly await all of your potential responses to this and various other possible posts in this thread just as patiently as I possibly can. But for now, I'll close this post here, at least, then. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Okay, I should now perhaps get to the last eight teams for at least the first 32 teams I'll likely have in my Baseball Heaven project's game world/universe setup by the time it might eventually be completed at some point later on. We last left off with the Texas Rangers of the proposed Continental League, so I think it's time to move to the Chicago Whales of the proposed Federal League here now.

First up, we will start with the Chicago Whales, preferably under the management of Casey Stengel, who may also eventually, if not immediately, serve as a player/manager for them while he's still with them. I don't yet have a particular stadium in mind for them here, mind you, though. So any reasonable enough suggestions for that would be most appreciated, I'm sure, if they can't actually share a park with the Cubs, for instance, at least at first. A large number of players from assorted MLB historical franchises will most certainly be on their possible roster or rosters, especially because they only existed for a little while in actual real-world reality, folks, of course.

Chicago Whales:

Rob Wilfong
Ozzie Virgil (Jr.)
Scott Fletcher
Steve Sax
Dick Ruthven
Bill Buckner
Frank Pastore
Dan Schatzeder
Jerry Dybzinski
Darren Daulton
Art Wilson
Fred Beck
Jack Farrell
Rollie Zeider
Rick Burleson
Fred Clarke
Dutch Zwilling
King Kelly
Andy Benes
Alan Benes
Dave Dravecky
Tom Browning
Steve Stone
Art Herring
Ed Roebuck
Scott Linebrink
Mitch Stetter
Sam Thompson
Freddie Lindstrom
Bill Skowron
U.L. Washington
Bob Horner
Claude Hendrix
Andre Ethier
John Wathan
Charlie Dexter
Dal Maxvill
Old Hoss Radbourne
Henry Porter
Cliff Carroll

Possibly Casey Stengel could also potentially contend for a spot as a player on the Whales' 25-man or 40-man rosters, depending on how things for for him, the Whales, and/or any other team, for example, before the 1901 regular season starts, at least, of course, everyone. And not just him, but other people as well, you know.

Next up, the Florida Marlins, preferably under the management of Jack McKeon, although what park to potentially assign as their home park, at least at first, I've not actually decided yet, of course. Suggestions are welcome, then, obviously, everyone, as usual.

Florida Marlins:

Bill Laskey
Rick Leach
Mark Ryal
Jaime Cocanower
Darrell Evans
Chris Brown
Eric Plunk
Ron Hodges
John Harris
Jerry Mumprhey
Jeff Conine
Juan Pierre
Hanley Ramirez
Dan Uggla
Josh Beckett
Ryan Dempster
Ricky Nolasco
Giancarlo (Mike) Stanton
Josh Johnson
Luis Castillo
Mike Lowell
Preston Wilson
Derrek Lee
Satchel Paige
Bronswell Patrick
Pinky Higgins
Bill Robinson
Dontrelle Willis
Mike Napoli
Bruce Bochy
Justin Duchscherer
Vida Blue (Accidentally had a second Willie Hernandez here, so replaced him with Blue)
Bob McClure
Rob Picciolo
Geoff Jenkins
Don Kessinger
Mickey Rivers
Bill Dinneen
Derrell Thomas
Carlos Diaz

Next up, the Milwaukee Brewers, and I hope Germaniac, among many others, likes at least a few of my picks for them. Preferably they'd be under the management of Harvey Kuenn, who may also perhaps later, if not immediately, end up as a player/manager for them, somehow. And probably they'd most likely play in some version of Milwaukee County Stadium, if at all possible, at least at first, ideally, as well.

Milwaukee Brewers:

Dave Smith
Bob Gibson (The one who played for them in the 1980's, at least, that is)
Tom O'Malley
Chili Davis
Gary Sheffield
Jim Acker
Ricky Wright
Joe Rudi
Don Cooper
Doug Baker
Robin Yount
Paul Molitor
Jim Gantner
Ted Simmons (Another lost Cardinal, no room on Cardinals, possibly fits better with MIL)
Cecil Cooper
Gorman Thomas
Kiki Cuyler
Joe Kelley
Ryan Braun
Russ Meers
Gene Tenace
Teddy Higuera
Chris Bosio
Yovani Gallardo
Ben Sheets
Jerry Augustine
Ervin Santana
Dan Plesac
Rickie Weeks
Ben Oglivie
Jose Valentin
Prince Fielder
Jeff Cirillo
John Axford
Terry Moore (Another lost Cardinal, no room on Cardinals, so decided to put him here)
Paul Listach
Hardy Richardson (HoF'er in other game)
Deacon White
Clay Carroll

Possibly Harvey Kuenn, among others, could also contend for roster spots, but we'll have to see how things ultimately shake out for Milwaukee here, of course.

Next up, the Montreal Expos, preferably under the management of Felipe Alou, perhaps, although whether he might be a playing manager at some point is yet to be discovered and/or determined. Their home park might possibly be some version of Olympic Stadium, but that also has to be decided in time as well, of course.

Montreal Expos:

Tim Corcoran
Ron Davis
Bill Caudill
Doug Bird
Domingo Ramos
Dan Briggs
Jeff Stone
Ray Burris
Steve Henderson
Alvaro Espinosa
Ryan Zimmerman
Gary Carter
Andre Dawson
Tim Wallach
Vladimir Guerrero
Jeff Reardon
Andres Galarraga
Steve Rogers
Terry Puhl
Max Scherzer (Wanted to put him on the hometown Cards to start, but no room there)
Larry Walker
Dave Bancroft
Mark Grudzielanek
Brian Schneider
Dennis Martinez
Jordan Zimmerman
Stephen Strasburg
Jose Vidro
Ugueth Urbina
Andy McGaffigan
Bryn Smith
Charlie Lea
Warren Cromartie
Herm Winningham
Duane Kuiper
Dickie Flowers (HoF'er in other game, I believe)
Charlie Sweeney
Jim Kaat
Paul Householder
Tim Raines

As with any other potential or actual player/managers, Felipe Alou may or may not be among them at some point, if not immediately, of course. Other potential contenders for possible roster spots with the Expos are yet to be discovered and/or determined, for sure, everyone.

Next up, the New Jersey Generals most likely from Newark, New Jersey. They would preferably be led by Leo Durocher, another possible player/manager candidate at some point, if not immediately one, I think. I don't have a home park actually picked for them at some point, but I do have a potential stadium name in mind for them, no matter what park it ultimately turns out to be based most on, if not entirely on. I'll probably eventually call their home park "Generals Fortress," I think. I also believe that many, if not most, of the players that I really have liked or likely been more interested in from the Cardinals' franchise history who have already been made part of these rosters and which have not been put on the Cardinals may have ended up here, at least at first, for various reasons.

New Jersey Generals:

Lee Guetterman
Kurt Kepshire
Oddibe McDowell
Leon Durham
Jim Morrison
Jeff Russell
Dave LaPoint
Tony Pena
Neil Allen
Ron Pruitt
MIKE TROUT (From NJ, so felt it appropriate to put him here instead of the Angels)
Danny Cox
Al Todd
Pud Galvin
Jesse Burkett
Hugh Duffy
Jim O'Rourke
Jimmy Collins
Monte Irvin (Another New Jerseyan, I believe, also played for Newark in Negro Leagues)
Josh Zeid
Ted Breitenstein
Dan Haren
Fernando Vina
Dane Iorg
Ian Desmond
Al Mamaux
Ken Oberkfell (Member of 1982 WS Champions, but no room with Cardinals, unfortunately)
Tom Herr (See Oberkfell comment)
Boots Poffensberger (Interesting name, to be sure, at least, and pretty cool, I think)
Al Hrabosky (Cardinal before my time, most likely, but also no room on Cardinals)
John Henry Johnson
Roy Lee Jackson
Dick Groat (See Hrabosky comment)
Pedro Guerrero (No room on Dodgers or Cardinals, so put him here)
Benny Kauff
Frank Baker
Pete Kozma
Lew Brown (HoF'er in other game)
Mike Tiernan (HoF'er in other game, or soon will be, I think)

See Durocher comment above for more information, at least in part. More potential contenders for possible roster spots to be learned and revealed later, of course.

Now we just have three more teams left to reveal at least some potential roster members for here. Next up will be the New York Mets, obviously, then, from the Federal League. They would preferably be under the management of Bobby Valentine, and probably would be playing in some version of Shea Stadium, if possible, at least at first, ideally, I think.

New York Mets:

Dave Stapleton
Willie Upshaw
Carmen (Carmelo) Castillo
Bill Campbell
Brett Butler
Joe Beckwith
Matt Young
John Rabb
Todd Burgmeier
Greg Brock
Tom Seaver
Keith Hernandez
Darryl Strawberry (The guy hit two HR's against us on Father's Day 1984, but we won)
Dwight Gooden
Jerry Koosman
Jesse Orosco
David Wright
Ron Darling
Bob Ojeda
Mookie Wilson
John Franco
Mike Piazza (No room on Dodgers, so put him here)
Dan Brouthers
Tommy McCarthy
Jack Billingham
Randy Wolf
Jim Barr
Manny Trillo
Roy Smalley III
Dickie Thon
Lenn Sakata
Rick Cerone
Lee Mazzili
Benny Ayala
Ray Knight
Mackey Sasser
Ripper Collins
Aaron Heilman
Chico Carrasquel (No room on White Sox, possibly, so put him here)
Sean DePaula

Two teams are left here, and the next one of them to be mentioned here will be the Tampa Bay Devil Rays, preferably under the management of Joe Maddon, and probably playing in some version of Tropicana Field, if possible, at least at first.

Tampa Bay Devil Rays:

Broderick Perkins
Jack Clark
Mike Krukow
Rich Bordi
Mario Guerrero
Gary Matthews (Sr.)
Dave Heaverlo
Wayne Tolleson
Denny Walling
Lamar Johnson
Evan Longoria
Carl Crawford
Ben Zobrist
Carlos Pena
B.J. Upton
Aubrey Huff
Toby Hall
Julio Lugo
Rocco Baldelli
Matt Joyce
Jonny Gomes
John Flaherty
Tanyon Sturtze
Matt Garza
James Shields
David Price
Roberto Hernandez
Joel Peralta
Dan Wheeler
Chris Archer
Matt Moore
Esteban Yan
Jake McGee
Jason Bartlett
Buddy Myer
Fred McGriff
Lyman Bostock
Peek-A-Boo Veach
Chris Coste
Toby Harrah

And now the team that perhaps people like ActionJackson, for example, may have been waiting the most for, the Toronto Blue Jays. They would preferably be under the leadership, perhaps, of Cito Gaston, another possible player/manager candidate at some point, if not immediately, for them, and they'd probably play their home games in some version of Exhibition Stadium, if possible, at least at first, ideally, I think.

Toronto Blue Jays:

Garth Iorg
Jerry Morales
Bobby Castillo
Mike LaCoss
Cito Gaston
James (Jim) Steels
Sergio Valdez
Bob James
Alan Bannister
Charles Hudson
Dave Stieb
Roberto Alomar
Tony Fernandez
George Bell
Roy Halladay
Tom Henke
Jon Olerud
Pat Hentgen
Cool Papa Bell (As promised)
Billy Herman
Dan Ford
Roger Connor
Bubba Phillips
Bobby Korecky
Greg Vaughn
Steve Trout
Andy Hassler
Dick Tidrow
Jack Salveson
Alex Trevino
Ernie Whitt
Rusty Staub
Alfredo Griffin
Rance Mulliniks
Buck Martinez
Alex Voss
Larry Hisle
Lee Lacy

And there you have it, everyone, my current picks for at least the first 32 teams' potential 40-man rosters, in terms of my current Baseball Heaven-related project.

I will try to get some screenshots showing career totals, et cetera, for players currently in the Hall of Fame for at least one of my games which may have been mentioned here, at least once or twice, if I can, for sure, everyone, if not even more often than that. But you may have to wait a while until I can find them on my computer anywhere, of course, for I may not know exactly where they are at present, it seems to me.

I really do hope to see much more respectful and well-thought-out commentary about many, if not all, of my current picks here in the near future, if at all possible. And am preparing players for possible draftability and/or free agency by the time I'm finally done with this project of mine here, if I ever am. I'll have to talk to you all later, though, for I have some other plans here for the rest of tonight, at least, to be honest with you all here, folks. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Oops, I may have accidentally put Carmelo/Carmen Martinez on two teams I didn't want to put him on, so I'll probably have to correct that later, of course, folks. That shouldn't take too long to correct, if it was done unintentionally, once I ultimately find a suitable enough replacement for one of them, then. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Guess I didn't accidentally duplicate Carmelo/Carmen Martinez in the above teams' lists, after all, folks. That's a little load off here, then.

Now, as for several of the players listed above being listed as being Hall of Famers in at least one of my other games, I will give you a list of players currently in the MLB Hall of Fame, as of September 1, 1912 in the aforementioned game, and I will try to let you know which ones were fictional players, and which were historical players, if I'm not too mistaken here, as well.

I will list them alphabetically, at least, and give you the names of their induction teams/franchises' current nicknames as well, and I'll try to eventually post pictures of their career totals here in this thread, at least for those players listed above, if and when I can and when appropriate enough. Then you can make your own judgements about each of them as you may see fit to do just that, of course, everyone.

MLB HoF members for my Storyteller(s?) Dynasty 001/StoryDyn001 as of Sept. 1, 1912:

Cap Anson (Cincinnati Reds)
Jersey Bakley (Cleveland Blues [Naps])
Lady Baldwin (Louisville Eclipse [Browns])
Ross Barnes (Baltimore Canaries [Highlanders])
George Bradley (Boston Red Caps [Braves])
Dan Brouthers (Chicago White Stockings [Cubs])
Lew Brown (Baltimore Orioles [Highlanders])
Pete Browning (Washington Nationals [Senators])
Dick Burns (New York Giants)
Oyster Burns (Washington Nationals [Senators])
Bob Caruthers (Detroit Wolverines [Tigers])
Jack Clements (Cleveland Blues [Naps])
Larry Corcoran (Brooklyn Atlantics [Dodgers])
Ed Daily (Cleveland Blues [Naps])
Daisy Davis (Detroit Wolverines [Tigers])
George Derby (St. Louis Brown Stockings [Browns])
Hugh Duffy (Boston Americans [Red Sox])
Fred Dunlap (Cleveland Blues [Naps])
Buck Ewing (Philadelphia Athletics)
Charlie J. Ferguson (Brooklyn Atlantics [Dodgers])
Dickie Flowers (Chicago White Stockings [Cubs])
Dave Good (Boston Beaneaters [Braves])
Emil Gross (Chicago White Sox)
George Hall (Philadelphia Athletics)
Frank Hankinson (Philadelphia Athletics)
Hardie Henderson (Philadelphia Quakers [Phillies])
Jim Holdsworth (Brooklyn Atlantics [Dodgers])
Matt Kilroy (Philadelphia Phillies)
Danny Llamas (Apparently Fictional, Brooklyn Atlantics [Dodgers])
Denny Lyons (Chicago White Sox)
Lefty Marr (Cincinnati Red Stockings [Reds])
Frank McCarton (Chicago White Stockings [Cubs], although wearing Colts cap]
Cal McVey [Brooklyn Atlantics [Dodgers])
Levi Meyerle [Brooklyn Atlantics [Dodgers])
Jocko Milligan (New York Gothams [Giants])
Tony Mullane (Cincinnati Red Stockings [Reds])
Kid Nichols (Boston Beaneaters [Braves])
Dave Orr (Chicago White Sox)
Henry Porter (Washington Nationals [Senators])
Al Pratt (Baltimore Canaries [Highlanders])
Old Hoss Radbourne (Cincinnati Reds)
Hardy Richardson (Cleveland Blues)
Lee Richmond (Cleveland Blues [Naps], although wearing Spiders cap]
Moises Ruiz (Apparently Fictional, Cleveland Blues [Naps], although wearing Spiders cap)
Dupee Shaw (Washington Nationals [Senators])
Kazuyuki Sho (Fic., Chi. White Stockings [Cubs], probably only Japanese player in so far)
Al Spalding (Brookyn Atlantics [Dodgers])
Bill Stearns (Cincinnati Reds)
Charlie Sweeney (Boston Americans [Red Sox])
Sam Thompson (Chicago White Sox)
Mike Tiernan (Cincinnati Red Stockings [Reds], if I'd had him earlier, poss. Cards HoF'er)
Peek-A-Boo Veach (Chicago White Sox)
Alex Voss (Baltimore Orioles [Highlanders])
Monte Ward (Likely listed as John Ward on AZ D-backs here, Philadelphia Athletics)
Perry Werden (New York Gothams [Giants])
Deacon White (Chicago White Stockings [Cubs])
Jim Whitney (Boston Red Caps [Braves])
Rynie Wolters (Chicago White Stockings [Cubs])
Tom York (Chicago White Stockings [Cubs])

If you want me to show certain players' career statistics and/or HoF pictures, et cetera, please let me know which ones, and when, et cetera, and I'll see what I can do, of course, everyone, as often as I can. I'm also going to list players potentially up in the next few seasons below, for that matter, by likely first class of eligibility, as well, at least for players I think quite likely to eventually gain Hall of Fame induction at some point.

1913:

Likely only first-ballot candidate who may be a lock so far is Jim Handiboe. If he gets in, it will be as another Baltimore/New York player, seeing as he evidently only played for that franchise. 378-344, 3.03 ERA, 6,511 IP, 3,246 K, 138.0 WAR, several major awards/honors, et cetera.

1914:

The players I might term as perhaps each having at least somewhat strong, if not most definite, possibilities of being first-ballot inductees in this class are Toad Ramsey (LOCK, Definite St. Louis NL inductee), Scott Stratton (LOCK, Boston Americans [Red Sox]), and Jack Stivetts (Strong, New York Giants). I don't know how good the chances of that happening for other players in that class may be, at least for MLB, but maybe we might also eventually see Klondike Douglass, Sadie McMahon, Wiley Piatt, Bill Dahlen, and Cupid Childs, at least, in the MLB Hall of Fame, somehow.

1915:

Ed Delahanty seems the most likely first-ballot candidate here to me, at least right now. Others who may get in eventually, if not immediately, may include Gene DeMontreville and possibly Jake Stenzel, at least. Especially if they spent enough time with my franchise during that long run of pennants I mentioned earlier in the thread at least once, I think, for instance.

1916:

Most likely candidate, but who I don't think will likely get in as a first-ballot one, is Harry Howell. Other potential candidates, in my view, for possible eventual, if not immediate induction are Willie Keeler and Jesse Burkett, with maybe slim to decent chances for Eddie Plank and any of the other members for the class, I think, at this point, depending on how ballots eventually play out before then, of course, at least.

1917:

The following players, at least, seem to be the players who will first appear on the 1917 MLB Hall of Fame Ballot:

Fred Clarke
Dan Kerwin
Bill Lange
John J McGraw
Dusty Miller
Damian Miranda
Jesse Tannehill
Tuck Turner

Of those, I think the most likely to gain election, but not necessarily in order of likely chances, are as follows:

Bill Lange
John J McGraw
Dusty Miller (LOCK)
Jesse Tannehill
Tuck Turner

I picked up a lot of players over the years who were near or at the end of their careers, especially if they didn't yet have a ring, in order to try to get them at least one, but haven't always been successful in doing so, of course. I think I picked up Sho late in his career, but he didn't really do much with me, if anything, and I don't think I got him a ring, for example. He might have gotten at least one earlier with Chicago, though, if memory serves, everyone. I'd have to check that to be sure, in any case, I'm sure.

Well, I suppose that's enough talking about related things in this post, at least. Talk to you all very soon, I hope, then, everyone. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

In that other game, I'm trying to get Honus Wagner and Vic Willis rings before they ultimately retire, but have not yet been successful, if I even will be. Wagner is 38, as of 1912, and Willis is 36. If Willis somehow gets into the Hall, he'll likely go in for the Boston NL team, while Wagner will probably not get in. Lajoie, even though he's on my Cardinals team now, will most likely go in as a Brooklyn player, seeing as I show him as playing 11 years for them as opposed to nearly six for my team, and he's just a few days away from turning 38, as of September 1, 1912. Chances may not be good for him to potentially get a second ring with us before his contract runs out after the 1913 season, I think.

Walter Johnson, Tris Speaker, Ty Cobb, Rabbit Maranville, and Wilbur Cooper are all currently 25 years old or younger on my Cardinals team, as of September 1, 1912. As of that date, my team is in third place in the NL, seven games back of the Giants, and the Reds are two games ahead of us, with 23 games to play. When I played through before, the Giants won the NL, but I don't remember if they also won the Series, at the moment, unfortunately, folks.

After something seemed to not be working after the 1912 or 1913 season, I went back to my latest available backup for that saved game, and so now, it's again September 1, 1912. Now I don't think I'll be able to catch the Giants this time around, but hopefully, this time, I'll be able to find some way to make sure the Federal League is actually a major league from its first season, and not a minor league, in its applicable game here.

Well, that's enough to talk about here now, I think. At least in this post, anyway, everyone. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Anyone still following this and/or interested in it, et cetera? If so, please respond if and when you like, people. As Johnny 5 might say, perhaps, hehehehe, "Input, need more input," if I'm not too mistaken here. The Game, of the players I currently have listed for the Chicago White Sox here, for example, how would you yourself perhaps personally number each of them, if you possibly could, and if you actually had such players on your White Sox roster or in your organization, at the very least? I'm just wondering here, that's all. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Also, Bert Blyleven should evidently be listed as Dutch-born by OOTP, along with Rynie Wolters, who I may have earlier mentioned either in this thread or another one. Both were actually born in the Netherlands, it seems. Blyleven in Zeist, the Netherlands, and Wolters in Nieuweschans, also in the Netherlands, instead of either of them being listed as being American, as well.

Just a few things OOTP may perhaps want to correct soon, if they haven't already, of course, for sure. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Hello, anyone still interested in this here, perhaps? Still haven't gotten any more responses or suggestions, et cetera, as I requested and all here, it seems. I'd really like to know what you people think of my choices for players for the above teams' various rosters here, if at all possible, for sure. CD out.