Steam vs PC - Positives or Negatives?

majesty95 · 02-22-2018, 03:17 PM

What is the benefit of using steam for those of you that do? Are there any drawbacks or benefits of buying PC?

mitchkenn · 02-22-2018, 04:18 PM

steam auto updates your game when you log in to the game - if updates are available. The version (standalone) from the developers you need to download when you want them to be applied. (In either the updates include all availble.) That can be a plus, or minus - depending on your point of view.
steam's workshop isn't as full as Add-Ons Central in the Stand Alone version.
It's not a lot, but direct purchase adds a few more pennies in the OOTP developer's pocket. But Steam is a convenient platform and OOTP get lots of sales from it.
As far as the game, i've used both and there is no difference i can tell. Some of the folders are located in different folders, but it's all there. You can customize your game on either platform.
i like the Stand-Alone from the developers myself. But that's just my preference.
Really, unless the add-ons from the private mod developers is important, it's a matter of which you want.

majesty95 · 02-22-2018, 04:33 PM

I like the idea of putting extra pennies in the OOTP coffers. I'll stay with PC version. Thanks!

NoOne · 02-22-2018, 09:37 PM

steam brings out the primal me...

"Uggah! boogah!" <flings poop at steam> "Steam, bad! Fire, good."

i guess that could be phil hartman's SNL frankenstein wiht a minor modification - i bet he's a steam fan and doesn't like fire.

no steam software or intrusive nonsense. margin might be higher for them on esellerate, it may not be too. economies of scale may allow steam to offer better support services than the cost of esellerate... or it may leverage itself and eat a bit more than esellerate. impossible to know just from assumption. i'd wager it's a higher % from esellerate, but ??

the game is no different, either way. that's the key.

if it's convenient to use steam, use it. accessibility to your own library of games jsut be logging in is definitely convenient. if i played more than ootp and ~1 other game, if that, i might even eat my own crow.

Shucker · 02-22-2018, 11:11 PM

I have bought it directly from the developers since OOTP 3. My sole reason being is that they get the full purchase price as opposed to having to share the proceeds with Steam. I am a big fan of Steam, but I would rather support this developer entirely.

David Watts · 02-23-2018, 09:38 AM

My internet stinks so Steam is really my only option. I also like the fact that if I'm ever forced to buy a new computer, I don't have to go searching for my game license and can simply download my game. This could really be important if I'm forced to continue playing OOTP16. I'm anxiously waiting to see if historical gets fixed for 19.

rudel.dietrich · 02-23-2018, 09:42 AM

Steam is also really nice that if you need to install the game on more than two PCs then you can.
I have two laptops, a desktop and a Surface Pro 4 I use OOTP 18 on and I can have it on all four at once without juggling licenses.

Now if we could only join 2014 and get cloud saves then it would make a great option even better.

Can you purchase from OOTP and then add the game to your Steam library? If so then you can avoid Steam taking a cut of the sale and then get the benefits of Steam should you need them.

Marsupilami · 02-23-2018, 04:41 PM

if buying directly from ootp would give you automatic updates, i would buy there. as long as its not the case, steam it is for me

NoOne · 02-23-2018, 07:57 PM

does steam let you hold off on updates?

I never patch immediately. O/S or other very importnat and essential security patch? sure... driver or game patch no way... don't do it.

let the other monkeys iron out the kinks and frustration. I don't buy a game to do debugging work for them... that's like volunteering for an extra year of auditing before you get your CPA.

i.e. work no one wants to do. it's not fun. it's not rewarding. it likely makes you angry at some point and drives you to alcohol or some other vice of preference.

an small company game like ootp, i understand even though i won't contribute much out of principle. however big companies play this game too... while both can probably afford not to in the first place, one is way more greedy than the other. (hint: it's not the "mom and pop" store equivalent)

TGH-Adfabre · 02-23-2018, 10:48 PM

The portability of Steam is great. I see no reason to believe there will be cloud saved games any time soon.
The things Steam provides me are game portability, cloud saves and the workshop. Those three are not as applicable to OOTP as they are with other games.

NoOne · 02-24-2018, 12:21 AM

zip up the .lg folder and email it to yourself before you go mobile or when done playing. or google drive or somethign free... plenty of options for a few gigs of space -- significantly less with just 'normal' compression due to the type of files invovled.

hmm, bet you can make it a script to automatically zip and upload to a url etc. modify somethign that may already exist for online leagues?

online storage is easy either way. The 2 license thing is the drawback for that type of use. if steam users can do it, then you should be able to also, imo. take from that what you will. i only speak of the logic, not the means/suggestion to make it so

torpidbeaver · 02-24-2018, 02:52 AM

I used the steam version the last two times I purchased... because I guess I didn't think about it, and I also guess because I got tired of juggling licenses.

But I've been disappointed with the Steam Workshop, and apparently Add-On Central is the place to be. I'm not sure why we can't use Add-on Central with the Steam version, but it's a frustration.

actionjackson · 02-24-2018, 04:04 PM

I don't care for Steam. I'm happy to send the hard-working folks at OOTP Developments a few extra sheckles for their troubles, and I don't think I'll be using the Steam version any time soon. I like the fact that the updates are ready to go right away with the e-sellerate version, and since my internet is largely solid, downloading is a snap for me. I can see where you'd want Steam if you had a lousy internet setup, but I'm alright...For now.

I also hear that the Steam Workshop is not as complete as Add-Ons Central, and that's probably my number one reason for not having Steam. Why would I want to shut myself out from any of the amazing work of the modding community here? It's e-sellerate all the way for me.

NoOne · 02-24-2018, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by torpidbeaver

I used the steam version the last two times I purchased... because I guess I didn't think about it, and I also guess because I got tired of juggling licenses.

But I've been disappointed with the Steam Workshop, and apparently Add-On Central is the place to be. I'm not sure why we can't use Add-on Central with the Steam version, but it's a frustration.

i'm clearly not a steam fan... but... isn't there some consolidation going on with addons central and steam workshop? maybe the ootp19 letter or another recent post in forums..

weak memory about somethign that isn't personal to me = 50/50 chance it's right, at best.

BaseballMan · 03-01-2018, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by majesty95

I like the idea of putting extra pennies in the OOTP coffers. I'll stay with PC version. Thanks!

True but there are probably a lot more people using steam that might find the game. Ootp may not get as much but if they get more customers and can afford to make more games
That's pretty good in the long run.

Mariner and Giants Fan · 03-02-2018, 11:32 AM

Now what about Origin as well? I have both that and Steam. If I get OOTP19 for both can I play two different games at the same time? Two different leagues I really mean.

NoOne · 03-03-2018, 10:42 PM

steam won't allow 2 to run from same ip? you can answer that just by trying.

ugh steam-type setups are so dangerous! it's going to pinch more money out of people inthe long run. promote pay-to-win and all that nonsense too (not for ootp but in a general sense for applicable games). this idea that you only get to run 1 game in your household is a new concept.. WTF? really? i buy it and they tell me how to use it. these people are nuts! i suggest: don't listen to them. do what you must to use it as you intend.. not for re-distribution of course.

e.g. jailbreak that phone from japan you bought off ebay and load it onto your wireless account

don't let "the man" get you down!

you can have as many leagues as you want in the saved game folder... just in case that was the question

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fredbeene · 03-06-2018, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoOne

steam brings out the primal me...

"Uggah! boogah!" <flings poop at steam> "Steam, bad! Fire, good."

i guess that could be phil hartman's SNL frankenstein wiht a minor modification - i bet he's a steam fan and doesn't like fire.

no steam software or intrusive nonsense. margin might be higher for them on esellerate, it may not be too. economies of scale may allow steam to offer better support services than the cost of esellerate... or it may leverage itself and eat a bit more than esellerate. impossible to know just from assumption. i'd wager it's a higher % from esellerate, but ??

the game is no different, either way. that's the key.

if it's convenient to use steam, use it. accessibility to your own library of games jsut be logging in is definitely convenient. if i played more than ootp and ~1 other game, if that, i might even eat my own crow.

I have steam and love it EXCEPT.
I can't be logged into 2 instances of Steam at the same time!!! WTF?
I have one computer playing ROCKSMITH and another OOTPB.
I have to logout in order to play.

Also OOTPB appears to only store your game LOCALLY.
So I dont seem to be able to play on my desktop, Then later take my laptop outside to play some more.....

majesty95 · 03-06-2018, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fredbeene

I have steam and love it EXCEPT.
I can't be logged into 2 instances of Steam at the same time!!! WTF?
I have one computer playing ROCKSMITH and another OOTPB.
I have to logout in order to play.

Also OOTPB appears to only store your game LOCALLY.
So I dont seem to be able to play on my desktop, Then later take my laptop outside to play some more.....

You could save your league files on One Drive and play the same file on two different machines.

RchW · 03-06-2018, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marsupilami

if buying directly from ootp would give you automatic updates, i would buy there. as long as its not the case, steam it is for me

Interestingly not having automatic updates is considered a huge plus by some who buy OOTP direct. To me that is the only negative on the steam side.

02-22-2018, 03:17 PM	#1
majesty95 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 1,789	Steam vs PC - Positives or Negatives? What is the benefit of using steam for those of you that do? Are there any drawbacks or benefits of buying PC? __________________ College Football Sim League

02-22-2018, 04:18 PM	#2
mitchkenn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Oregon, not by design Posts: 2,872	steam auto updates your game when you log in to the game - if updates are available. The version (standalone) from the developers you need to download when you want them to be applied. (In either the updates include all availble.) That can be a plus, or minus - depending on your point of view. steam's workshop isn't as full as Add-Ons Central in the Stand Alone version. It's not a lot, but direct purchase adds a few more pennies in the OOTP developer's pocket. But Steam is a convenient platform and OOTP get lots of sales from it. As far as the game, i've used both and there is no difference i can tell. Some of the folders are located in different folders, but it's all there. You can customize your game on either platform. i like the Stand-Alone from the developers myself. But that's just my preference. Really, unless the add-ons from the private mod developers is important, it's a matter of which you want. __________________ "This is my opening farewell " - Jackson Browne “They make a desolation and call it peace.” ― Agha Shahid Ali "Maybe she just has to sing, for the sake of the song - And who do I think that I am to decide that she's wrong." - Townes Van Zandt "I saw a young man leaning on his wooden crutch - He called out to me, 'Don't ask for so much' And a young woman leaning in her darkened door She cried out to me, 'Why not ask for more?' " - Leonard Cohen "Hello darkness, my old Friend ...." - Paul Simon Before Mays, before DiMaggio, there was Oscar Charleston. "All the lies about Babe Ruth are true." - Waite Hoyt Avatar is the late great Townes Van Zandt. rip.

02-22-2018, 04:33 PM	#3
majesty95 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 1,789	I like the idea of putting extra pennies in the OOTP coffers. I'll stay with PC version. Thanks! __________________ College Football Sim League

02-23-2018, 04:41 PM	#8
Marsupilami Major Leagues Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 328	if buying directly from ootp would give you automatic updates, i would buy there. as long as its not the case, steam it is for me __________________ ABL 2020 - Brewers

02-23-2018, 07:57 PM	#9
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 1/2 (4)	does steam let you hold off on updates? I never patch immediately. O/S or other very importnat and essential security patch? sure... driver or game patch no way... don't do it. let the other monkeys iron out the kinks and frustration. I don't buy a game to do debugging work for them... that's like volunteering for an extra year of auditing before you get your CPA. i.e. work no one wants to do. it's not fun. it's not rewarding. it likely makes you angry at some point and drives you to alcohol or some other vice of preference. an small company game like ootp, i understand even though i won't contribute much out of principle. however big companies play this game too... while both can probably afford not to in the first place, one is way more greedy than the other. (hint: it's not the "mom and pop" store equivalent) Last edited by NoOne; 02-23-2018 at 08:00 PM.

02-22-2018, 09:37 PM	#4
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 1/2 (4)	steam brings out the primal me... "Uggah! boogah!" <flings poop at steam> "Steam, bad! Fire, good." i guess that could be phil hartman's SNL frankenstein wiht a minor modification - i bet he's a steam fan and doesn't like fire. no steam software or intrusive nonsense. margin might be higher for them on esellerate, it may not be too. economies of scale may allow steam to offer better support services than the cost of esellerate... or it may leverage itself and eat a bit more than esellerate. impossible to know just from assumption. i'd wager it's a higher % from esellerate, but ?? the game is no different, either way. that's the key. if it's convenient to use steam, use it. accessibility to your own library of games jsut be logging in is definitely convenient. if i played more than ootp and ~1 other game, if that, i might even eat my own crow.

02-22-2018, 11:11 PM	#5
Shucker Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 182	I have bought it directly from the developers since OOTP 3. My sole reason being is that they get the full purchase price as opposed to having to share the proceeds with Steam. I am a big fan of Steam, but I would rather support this developer entirely.

02-23-2018, 09:38 AM	#6
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,706 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	My internet stinks so Steam is really my only option. I also like the fact that if I'm ever forced to buy a new computer, I don't have to go searching for my game license and can simply download my game. This could really be important if I'm forced to continue playing OOTP16. I'm anxiously waiting to see if historical gets fixed for 19.

02-23-2018, 09:42 AM	#7
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Steam is also really nice that if you need to install the game on more than two PCs then you can. I have two laptops, a desktop and a Surface Pro 4 I use OOTP 18 on and I can have it on all four at once without juggling licenses. Now if we could only join 2014 and get cloud saves then it would make a great option even better. Can you purchase from OOTP and then add the game to your Steam library? If so then you can avoid Steam taking a cut of the sale and then get the benefits of Steam should you need them.

02-23-2018, 10:48 PM	#10
TGH-Adfabre Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,599	The portability of Steam is great. I see no reason to believe there will be cloud saved games any time soon. The things Steam provides me are game portability, cloud saves and the workshop. Those three are not as applicable to OOTP as they are with other games. __________________ You mock me, therefore I am My wife

02-24-2018, 12:21 AM	#11
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 1/2 (4)	zip up the .lg folder and email it to yourself before you go mobile or when done playing. or google drive or somethign free... plenty of options for a few gigs of space -- significantly less with just 'normal' compression due to the type of files invovled. hmm, bet you can make it a script to automatically zip and upload to a url etc. modify somethign that may already exist for online leagues? online storage is easy either way. The 2 license thing is the drawback for that type of use. if steam users can do it, then you should be able to also, imo. take from that what you will. i only speak of the logic, not the means/suggestion to make it so

02-24-2018, 02:52 AM	#12
torpidbeaver Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 386	I used the steam version the last two times I purchased... because I guess I didn't think about it, and I also guess because I got tired of juggling licenses. But I've been disappointed with the Steam Workshop, and apparently Add-On Central is the place to be. I'm not sure why we can't use Add-on Central with the Steam version, but it's a frustration.

02-24-2018, 04:04 PM	#13
actionjackson Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 6,163	I don't care for Steam. I'm happy to send the hard-working folks at OOTP Developments a few extra sheckles for their troubles, and I don't think I'll be using the Steam version any time soon. I like the fact that the updates are ready to go right away with the e-sellerate version, and since my internet is largely solid, downloading is a snap for me. I can see where you'd want Steam if you had a lousy internet setup, but I'm alright...For now. I also hear that the Steam Workshop is not as complete as Add-Ons Central, and that's probably my number one reason for not having Steam. Why would I want to shut myself out from any of the amazing work of the modding community here? It's e-sellerate all the way for me.

03-02-2018, 11:32 AM	#16
Mariner and Giants Fan All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Port Townsend, WA. Posts: 1,264	Now what about Origin as well? I have both that and Steam. If I get OOTP19 for both can I play two different games at the same time? Two different leagues I really mean. __________________ Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"

03-03-2018, 10:42 PM	#17
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 1/2 (4)	steam won't allow 2 to run from same ip? you can answer that just by trying. ugh steam-type setups are so dangerous! it's going to pinch more money out of people inthe long run. promote pay-to-win and all that nonsense too (not for ootp but in a general sense for applicable games). this idea that you only get to run 1 game in your household is a new concept.. WTF? really? i buy it and they tell me how to use it. these people are nuts! i suggest: don't listen to them. do what you must to use it as you intend.. not for re-distribution of course. e.g. jailbreak that phone from japan you bought off ebay and load it onto your wireless account don't let "the man" get you down! you can have as many leagues as you want in the saved game folder... just in case that was the question _________________ side note: syntax error in signature. "evidence" has a clear definition that is in direct conflict with how that word was used in that sentence. fire the editor or get them a dictionary/thesaurus.