Normal according to whom?

Padreman · 01-24-2018, 05:55 PM

So if you said your league settings for closer usage to normal The game will allow you to use the stopper role. So I guess teams can choose between having a closer or a stopper. however the part I don’t understand is what is considered normal usage? Normal compared to what what era? Normal usage in the game what are we talking about as average number of saves?

RchW · 01-24-2018, 06:21 PM

This confuses me. If closer use is normal there is no stopper role. Stoppers, and I dispute the reality of them, were a subset of closers who were used in long and short roles depending on the state of the bullpen that day. They were an early form of closer when teams had much smaller bullpens. They evolved out of existence as results convinced teams that specialization was better, and cost effective.

We’ve seen a version of the stopper in the playoffs recently. There’s no evidence that it could work over a season or two, but I’ll bet you may see teams go to dual closers soon to leverage the overuse issue.

Padreman · 01-24-2018, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

This confuses me. If closer use is normal there is no stopper role. Stoppers, and I dispute the reality of them, were a subset of closers who were used in long and short roles depending on the state of the bullpen that day. They were an early form of closer when teams had much smaller bullpens. They evolved out of existence as results convinced teams that specialization was better, and cost effective.

We’ve seen a version of the stopper in the playoffs recently. There’s no evidence that it could work over a season or two, but I’ll bet you may see teams go to dual closers soon to leverage the overuse issue.

Yes this is very confusing to me because I would assume normal means what’s happening now. But why would it allow you to use the stopper as well if you’re sitting at normal? We would you set it at high or very high does the stopper role gets deleted. So in reality is”high usage” actually really the normal role for closer usage?

RchW · 01-24-2018, 07:34 PM

Usage should be described in different terms as one can’t assume closer use would be high on a losing team. Terms like always, mostly, shared, partial would describe it more accurately.

bwburke94 · 01-24-2018, 08:51 PM

The stopper role doesn't have this restriction anymore (as of a recent patch), so that part of the equation is a moot point.

Whether "normal" should be retuned to modern day is another question entirely.

Padreman · 01-24-2018, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bwburke94

Whether "normal" should be retuned to modern day is another question entirely.

Yes or at least clarify it in game for players to know what each choice is so they can choose correctly

byzeil · 01-25-2018, 11:17 AM

Just to confirm what bwburke94 said above, the restriction on when the stopper role is available was removed later in the OOTP18 pitch, it is now available all the time.

Padreman · 01-25-2018, 12:56 PM

But what’s normal?

01-24-2018, 05:55 PM	#1
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,131	Normal according to whom? So if you said your league settings for closer usage to normal The game will allow you to use the stopper role. So I guess teams can choose between having a closer or a stopper. however the part I don’t understand is what is considered normal usage? Normal compared to what what era? Normal usage in the game what are we talking about as average number of saves? __________________ Chargers= Despicable Traitors

01-24-2018, 06:21 PM	#2
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	This confuses me. If closer use is normal there is no stopper role. Stoppers, and I dispute the reality of them, were a subset of closers who were used in long and short roles depending on the state of the bullpen that day. They were an early form of closer when teams had much smaller bullpens. They evolved out of existence as results convinced teams that specialization was better, and cost effective. We’ve seen a version of the stopper in the playoffs recently. There’s no evidence that it could work over a season or two, but I’ll bet you may see teams go to dual closers soon to leverage the overuse issue. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

01-24-2018, 07:34 PM	#4
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Usage should be described in different terms as one can’t assume closer use would be high on a losing team. Terms like always, mostly, shared, partial would describe it more accurately. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

01-25-2018, 11:17 AM	#7
byzeil Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NJ, US Posts: 2,007	Just to confirm what bwburke94 said above, the restriction on when the stopper role is available was removed later in the OOTP18 pitch, it is now available all the time. Last edited by byzeil; 01-25-2018 at 11:22 AM.

01-25-2018, 12:56 PM	#8
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,131	But what’s normal? __________________ Chargers= Despicable Traitors

01-24-2018, 08:51 PM	#5
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,527	The stopper role doesn't have this restriction anymore (as of a recent patch), so that part of the equation is a moot point. Whether "normal" should be retuned to modern day is another question entirely.