Pitch Count Limit and its effect on tiredness

[Curveball]

Hi Folks,

experienced the following:

During September I called up a lot of RP and therefore thought I'd give my SP some more rest and implemented a pitch count limit of 60 for every starter.

I then noticed that besides pitching only 61, 60 or 68 pitches, my starters are always exhausted (11% - 15% tiredness)

Is this expected behaviour?
Is the SP putting more effort in his throws, knowing he doesn't need to last 100+ pitches?

Or is this a bug?

[RchW]

Seems unlikely to be a bug. Track the recovery by day. I'd expect a starter with decent stamina to be ready in 3 days vs 4 days. SP who get knocked out early via performance and/or injury also show low%.

[MrBojangles]

Originally Posted by Curveball

Hi Folks,

experienced the following:

During September I called up a lot of RP and therefore thought I'd give my SP some more rest and implemented a pitch count limit of 60 for every starter.

I then noticed that besides pitching only 61, 60 or 68 pitches, my starters are always exhausted (11% - 15% tiredness)

Is this expected behaviour?
Is the SP putting more effort in his throws, knowing he doesn't need to last 100+ pitches?

Or is this a bug?

Am I correct in understanding that, by resting your SP, they actually lost stamina?

[Dyzalot]

When are your pitchers showing as "exhausted"? The day that they pitched? Pretty sure a SP that only throws 1 pitch will show as "exhausted" after removing him from the game.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

When are your pitchers showing as "exhausted"? The day that they pitched? Pretty sure a SP that only throws 1 pitch will show as "exhausted" after removing him from the game.

Yea, the idea is that they go through an extended warm-up before each game and shouldn't be available the next day. If they threw fewer pitches they should recover faster though.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Rain King

Yea, the idea is that they go through an extended warm-up before each game and shouldn't be available the next day. If they threw fewer pitches they should recover faster though.

But relievers are often available real life the next day. I haven't checked but I believe that's the case in ootp. So starters with just a few pitches should be too.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by Brad K

But relievers are often available real life the next day. I haven't checked but I believe that's the case in ootp. So starters with just a few pitches should be too.

Again, the idea is that starters go through more extensive warm-ups than a reliever does. So, they've essentially already "thrown a couple innings" in the bullpen before even beginning the game.

This is definitely a bit simplistic as every pitcher is different in their warm-ups and ability to recover, but starters definitely throw significantly more on average before an appearance than a reliever does.

IMO, there should be a couple of extra pitcher ratings in the game that control their ability to get loose as well as how "stretched out" their arm currently is.

[Dyzalot]

Originally Posted by Brad K

But relievers are often available real life the next day. I haven't checked but I believe that's the case in ootp. So starters with just a few pitches should be too.

No they shouldn't.

[Curveball]

I have checked this now with 2 pitchers, once with pitch count limit set to 60, once without limit.

Player 1 -
Payano, SP, Stamina 65 (20-80 Scale) - No Limit:
Pitches on Gameday (Day 0): 105
Day 1: 15% Rest status
Day 2: 36%
Day 3: 58%
Day 4: 79%
Day 5: 100% (his next start in a 5-man-rotation)

Payano, SP, Stamina 65 (20-80 Scale) - Limit: 60 Pitches
Pitches on Gameday (Day 0): 63
Day 1: 15% Rest status
Day 2: 35%
Day 3: 58%
Day 4: 79%
Day 5: 100% (his next start in a 5-man-rotation)

Almost identical in his recovery.


Player 2 -
Bauer, SP, Stamina 65 (20-80 Scale) - No Limit:
Pitches on Gameday (Day 0): 98
Day 1: 16% Rest status
Day 2: 38%
Day 3: 59%
Day 4: 79%
Day 5: 100% (his next start in a 5-man-rotation)

Bauer, SP, Stamina 65 (20-80 Scale) - Limit: 60 Pitches
Pitches on Gameday (Day 0): 67
Day 1: 16% Rest status
Day 2: 38%
Day 3: 59%
Day 4: 79%
Day 5: 100% (his next start in a 5-man-rotation)


Despite everything posted in this thread so far, I expect someone pitching 40 (or 30) pitches less to be rested quicker.
How could 4-man-rotations be implemented if the recovery is the same, no matter how many pitches I throw?

For fun I set Bauers limit his next game to 40 Pitches, while he was only 79% rested... He is at 16% exhausted the next day. One day later, 38%

I think there is something wrong.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Rain King

Again, the idea is that starters go through more extensive warm-ups than a reliever does. So, they've essentially already "thrown a couple innings" in the bullpen before even beginning the game.

This is definitely a bit simplistic as every pitcher is different in their warm-ups and ability to recover, but starters definitely throw significantly more on average before an appearance than a reliever does.

IMO, there should be a couple of extra pitcher ratings in the game that control their ability to get loose as well as how "stretched out" their arm currently is.

Amazingly the ancient Old Time Baseball had this feature. A guy with low endurance, the typical closer, would warm up quicker.