Spring Training Roster

[scorey67]

When Spring training starts, the AI automatically fills up roster with players from my minor league system. Some of these players are out of options and I can't send them back down without waiving them and possibly losing them to other teams. I found an option to limit the size of spring training rosters to prevent this from happening but not an option where I can choose who to add instead of AI doing it automatically. Am I missing something?

Thanks

[ihatenames]

The AI automatically places anyone on the 40 man roster on the spring training roster. Sending them down does cost an option. This is how it works IRL as well. I don’t think there is any way around that unless you turn off 40 man rosters.

[Romagoth]

Originally Posted by scorey67

When Spring training starts, the AI automatically fills up roster with players from my minor league system. Some of these players are out of options and I can't send them back down without waiving them and possibly losing them to other teams. I found an option to limit the size of spring training rosters to prevent this from happening but not an option where I can choose who to add instead of AI doing it automatically. Am I missing something?

Thanks

Make sure you take control of all your team settings, otherwise the AI will make some wacky moves.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Romagoth

Make sure you take control of all your team settings, otherwise the AI will make some wacky moves.

Not all moves are wacky. Each time a player on the 40-man roster doesn't make the 25-man roster they use an option. That's why players with no options are more likely to go north than another player who may perform better but has options left. This is common IRL.

[Curve Ball Dave]

Originally Posted by RchW

Not all moves are wacky. Each time a player on the 40-man roster doesn't make the 25-man roster they use an option. That's why players with no options are more likely to go north than another player who may perform better but has options left. This is common IRL.

Also why, say, when someone comes of the Disabled List and a player has to be sent to AAA the guy with options left is one to go even if he's playing a little better than a guy who is out of options.

[mgom27]

Also set expanded Roster size to 70.

[byzeil]

This is working as intended and by RL rules. IRL there is no 25 player active roster during the off-season, there is only the 40 man roster. Come spring training the whole 40-man roster goes to spring training and if the team wants to send a player down they must have options left otherwise they have to clear waivers. OOTP doesn't get rid of the 25 player roster at the end of the season but they simulate the RL rule by automatically putting everyone on the 40 on the spring training roster.

[byzeil]

Originally Posted by Curve Ball Dave

Also why, say, when someone comes of the Disabled List and a player has to be sent to AAA the guy with options left is one to go even if he's playing a little better than a guy who is out of options.

because to send the guy down without options would require the player successfully passing through waivers or the team will loose him.

[Curve Ball Dave]

Originally Posted by byzeil

because to send the guy down without options would require the player successfully passing through waivers or the team will loose him.

Yep.

[NoOne]

are you sure it costs an option in the video game?

if they are not on the secondary roster, i know for sure it does not cost an option during ST, as i do it each season with any AAA player on my radar and for depth.

i just moved a guy i placed on 40-man up and down in ST and it didn't accrue an option, either.

or, maybe i somehow have a rule or setting difference? but, it would be ridiculous to waste an option due to ST. mlb being rational isn't gauranteed, though.

this is all about thinking ahead. change some habits of how you handle options and 40-man roster. this sort of thing is completely avoidable with planning.

in the extreme and rare instances it isnt true, ... well in that worst-case scenario of catastrophic and numerous injuries you aren't going to be winning the WS, so anythign that hurts next year is incredibly worse choice than using a aa/aaa player that you can dump later on.

32-35 on opening day is a good goal... i like it closer to 30, and it will rise to 32-35 during season. a few contracts in AAA isn't so bad, but it's something i avoid like the plague. you don't have to be as extreme as i am to avoid the situation, but you need to change some behaviour(s), if you constantly run into this problem (40man or running out of options etc part of same thing).

[ihatenames]

Originally Posted by NoOne

are you sure it costs an option in the video game?

if they are not on the secondary roster, i know for sure it does not cost an option during ST, as i do it each season with any AAA player on my radar and for depth.

i just moved a guy i placed on 40-man up and down in ST and it didn't accrue an option, either.

or, maybe i somehow have a rule or setting difference? but, it would be ridiculous to waste an option due to ST. mlb being rational isn't gauranteed, though.

this is all about thinking ahead. change some habits of how you handle options and 40-man roster. this sort of thing is completely avoidable with planning.

in the extreme and rare instances it isnt true, ... well in that worst-case scenario of catastrophic and numerous injuries you aren't going to be winning the WS, so anythign that hurts next year is incredibly worse choice than using a aa/aaa player that you can dump later on.

32-35 on opening day is a good goal... i like it closer to 30, and it will rise to 32-35 during season. a few contracts in AAA isn't so bad, but it's something i avoid like the plague. you don't have to be as extreme as i am to avoid the situation, but you need to change some behaviour(s), if you constantly run into this problem (40man or running out of options etc part of same thing).

Anyone on the 40 man roster must be on the active roster to start the year or an option must be available to send to minors. Otherwise they have to pass through waivers. They game keeps your from exploiting the minors by putting all 40 man roster players on spring training and active roster to start spring training. Without this, players could be left in minors on the 40 man indefinitely and get around not being wiaved.

An option must be used every year a player is given an optional assignment (minors). A non-roster player assigned to spring training roster will not require an option be used as they are a non-roster player (not on 40 man).

[NoOne]

well, if they were out of options how are they still there? shouldn't they have been FA the previous offseason?

something seems off here... i guess i don't wait until opening day for this type of decision... i never encounter this.

self-inflicted, then.

[ihatenames]

Originally Posted by NoOne

well, if they were out of options how are they still there? shouldn't they have been FA the previous offseason?

something seems off here... i guess i don't wait until opening day for this type of decision... i never encounter this.

self-inflicted, then.

No. Once a player is placed on the 40 man roster, a player typically has 3 option years. If he is sent to minors (for 20 or more days during the season) while on 40 man roster that is considered an “optional” assignment and will burn an option Year. A player can be sent up and down as many times that year as needed but to still only uses the the one option year. A team owns the rights to a player until they have accrued at least 6 years of service time (40 man roster included). So it is completely possible and likely that a player without options could be there without becoming a free agent first.

One thing to note is options do not reset if a player is traded.

[byzeil]

Originally Posted by NoOne

are you sure it costs an option in the video game?

if they are not on the secondary roster, i know for sure it does not cost an option during ST, as i do it each season with any AAA player on my radar and for depth.

i just moved a guy i placed on 40-man up and down in ST and it didn't accrue an option, either.

or, maybe i somehow have a rule or setting difference? but, it would be ridiculous to waste an option due to ST. mlb being rational isn't gauranteed, though.

this is all about thinking ahead. change some habits of how you handle options and 40-man roster. this sort of thing is completely avoidable with planning.

in the extreme and rare instances it isnt true, ... well in that worst-case scenario of catastrophic and numerous injuries you aren't going to be winning the WS, so anythign that hurts next year is incredibly worse choice than using a aa/aaa player that you can dump later on.

32-35 on opening day is a good goal... i like it closer to 30, and it will rise to 32-35 during season. a few contracts in AAA isn't so bad, but it's something i avoid like the plague. you don't have to be as extreme as i am to avoid the situation, but you need to change some behaviour(s), if you constantly run into this problem (40man or running out of options etc part of same thing).

When you are bringing up those AAA players to your Spring Training Roster (not 40-man roster/secondary roster) you are bringing them up as Non-Roster Invitees(NRI). This is only available during spring training and enables you to take a look at a player in ST without adding him to your 40-man/secondary roster. When ST is over you can send them back down and there is no option used. Options are only used when the player in on your 40-man roster (not ST roster).

Also, the option actually doesn't actually get used until the player you sent down spends a day in the minors(IRL is is longer than that but the game charges the option after the 1st day down). If you demote a guy from the active roster and change your mind and bring him back the same day the option doesn't get used.

MLB isn't wasting options in ST. It is a rational mechanism put into place to prevent teams from hoarding players in the minors. A team gets 3 options (1/year) after a player is on the 40 before the player has to stick on the active roster or have a chance to play somewhere else.

[byzeil]

Originally Posted by NoOne

well, if they were out of options how are they still there? shouldn't they have been FA the previous offseason?

something seems off here... i guess i don't wait until opening day for this type of decision... i never encounter this.

self-inflicted, then.

as mentioned above Options aren't about becoming a FA it is about them having to be kept on the active roster or be exposed to waivers to be sent down. It is quite common IRL and in-game for players on the active roster to be out of options.

If you aren't running into players running out of options then it isn't that you don't wait till opening day it may be that you have minor league option disabled or you just are turning players over before they run out of options.

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by ihatenames

No. Once a player is placed on the 40 man roster, a player typically has 3 option years. If he is sent to minors (for 20 or more days during the season) while on 40 man roster that is considered an “optional” assignment and will burn an option Year. A player can be sent up and down as many times that year as needed but to still only uses the the one option year. A team owns the rights to a player until they have accrued at least 6 years of service time (40 man roster included). So it is completely possible and likely that a player without options could be there without becoming a free agent first.

One thing to note is options do not reset if a player is traded.

ok the horse is beaten.. .knew that stuff...

now, go through it as the calendar turns... eaten up 3 options at end of year... have to offer contract, lose as free agent etc. you keep him even though you know he is out of options (can know = know).

you get to ST and now he doesn't fit plans and upset you cannot keep him?? self-inflicted.

best tip: offer minor league contracts to these guys before using 40-man to protect them, and if they go, they go... (or if not selected in rule 5, offern mil contract first.) you can alays up the offer if they provide value or depth.

if they were actually worthy of a 40-man, you find room. otherwise you let them go.

trade before you get into this situation. this only is a problem if you do not plan ahead in any way.