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[Bobfather]

I've noticed a bug. If a player is on the 40 man roster but not on the 25 man roster. When the player comes off DL you can only put them on 25 man roster.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Bobfather

I've noticed a bug. If a player is on the 40 man roster but not on the 25 man roster. When the player comes off DL you can only put them on 25 man roster.

A player on the 40-man and not on the 25-man by definition must be in the minors unless it's after Sep 1and/or the offseason. There is a minor league DL he should be sent to.

Can you give more detail please. It's working as expected for me.

[Drstrangelove]

This is my experience:

A player who is on the 40 when he goes on the DL is always already either on the 25 or in the minors on a minor league roster.

When he goes on the DL, he leaves the roster he was on.

When he comes back, he can be assigned to any roster that has an opening, although he may have to clear waivers if it's not the 25 man. In that case you should see a message box saying the player needs to go through waivers. This is because players with certain experience and/or lacking "Options" can't be assigned to a minor league roster from the 25 man roster without clearing waivers. (In some cases, a player can reject the assignment, forcing you to release him on place him on the 25 man roster. This is not a bug as that's how the MLB rules work. You will see a message box for this.)

However, if the player was a Rule 5 draftee, and he hasn't completed his required major league level service time since being drafted, it should require you to place him on the 25 man roster. In that case, that's not a bug. That's how the Rule 5 draft rules work. Personally, I've never seen the dialogue box for that situation (Rule 5 draftees that go on the DL are pretty rare), so I suppose it may not have a box at all or might be fairly cryptic.

Check to see if the players was a Rule 5 draftee in that season. (If it was the prior season, and his total ML service time since being drafted has been enough, he might still have a Rule 5 restriction) but this would be very rare indeed.

[Bluenoser]

If the player was on the 25 man roster when he was placed on the DL, then he must go back on the 25 man roster when he's ready to come off the DL. He can be sent to the minors (waivers if needed or outright if not) after he's back on the 25.

That's how it's supposed to work.

[jmknpk2]

I just had a couple of relievers (day-to-day) injured for 6 and 7 days. Didn't want to put them on a 10 day DL, so that they could pitch as soon as they healed. I sent them down to AAA and brought up a couple replacements.

I am curious if that would be a legitimate maneuver in real life MLB. Thoughts?

I burnt a couple options, but that shouldn't matter much in the long run.

Just my luck, the two starters I brought up from AAA left holes in that rotation, and the next day the number one AAA starter was injured for 6 days. I'm hoping the AI doesn't try to pitch the major leaguers I sent down.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by jmknpk2

I just had a couple of relievers (day-to-day) injured for 6 and 7 days. Didn't want to put them on a 10 day DL, so that they could pitch as soon as they healed. I sent them down to AAA and brought up a couple replacements.

I am curious if that would be a legitimate maneuver in real life MLB. Thoughts?

I burnt a couple options, but that shouldn't matter much in the long run.

Just my luck, the two starters I brought up from AAA left holes in that rotation, and the next day the number one AAA starter was injured for 6 days. I'm hoping the AI doesn't try to pitch the major leaguers I sent down.

That's against RL rules. I hope OOTP fixes this in game; that's a huge exploit.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by RchW

That's against RL rules. I hope OOTP fixes this in game; that's a huge exploit.

If someone is sent down in RL, don't they have to be down for a certain number of days before they can be recalled (unless there is an injury on the MLB roster)? If that is implemented in OOTP then I think it would help with the injury exploit as well because then you may as well put the player on the DL.

[byzeil]

Originally Posted by RchW

That's against RL rules. I hope OOTP fixes this in game; that's a huge exploit.

I have noticed this behavior has changed though I'm not exactly sure when it changed. I recall at sometime in the fairly recent past OOTP would not let you demote an injured player to the minors, a popup would appear saying to place them on the DL instead. This should be corrected.

[byzeil]

I am now a bit confused.

I just tried to demote an injured player on a team during Spring Training and received a popup saying to put him on the DL instead.

In another league I have demoted an injured player so now I am confused why under certain circumstances I can demote an injured players an in others I cannot.

[Matt Arnold]

I believe you can demote a player with a day to day injury currently - that would be a little bit of a grey area in MLB. We should still prevent you from demoting a player with a full injury currently. I'm not sure what the official MLB rules would be about it - there would probably be some arguments about whether the injury was enough to prevent them from playing, or just a minor thing.

I do at some point want to get the rule that once a guy is optioned to the farm, he has to stay down for 10 days unless if there's an injury at the MLB level. But it's a bit complicated to get in, and to make sure that the AI adheres to it too, so not sure when we'll get around to stopping that loophole.

[byzeil]

EDIT: I was posting this as Matt was also responding.

OK, think I have found the different (the issue).

You cannot demote an injured (Out) player but you CAN demote a player with a DtD injury.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

I believe you can demote a player with a day to day injury currently - that would be a little bit of a grey area in MLB. We should still prevent you from demoting a player with a full injury currently. I'm not sure what the official MLB rules would be about it - there would probably be some arguments about whether the injury was enough to prevent them from playing, or just a minor thing.

If the MLBPA thought for a moment a player was optioned to the minors to avoid putting him on the major league DL, you can bet they'd file a grievance immediately.

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

I do at some point want to get the rule that once a guy is optioned to the farm, he has to stay down for 10 days unless if there's an injury at the MLB level. But it's a bit complicated to get in, and to make sure that the AI adheres to it too, so not sure when we'll get around to stopping that loophole.

Considering the 10-day requirement has been on the rule books in real life since the mid-1950s, I'd say OOTP is well past time recreating it.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

If the MLBPA thought for a moment a player was optioned to the minors to avoid putting him on the major league DL, you can bet they'd file a grievance immediately.

Considering the 10-day requirement has been on the rule books in real life since the mid-1950s, I'd say OOTP is well past time recreating it.

I agree with both of these points. I'd actually ask for any proof that a 25-man roster player on any MLB team was sent to the minors this year while being identified as having a DtD injury. That would have made MLBTR for sure. For most players it's about service time accumulation as well.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by RchW

I agree with both of these points. I'd actually ask for any proof that a 25-man roster player on any MLB team was sent to the minors this year while being identified as having a DtD injury. That would have made MLBTR for sure. For most players it's about service time accumulation as well.

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's impossible, just that the [redacted]storm a major league club could cause from not being careful with its disabled list-related moves would not seem to be worth it.

[bwburke94]

Originally Posted by jmknpk2

Just my luck, the two starters I brought up from AAA left holes in that rotation, and the next day the number one AAA starter was injured for 6 days. I'm hoping the AI doesn't try to pitch the major leaguers I sent down.

That's what the "Rest Player" option is for.

Originally Posted by byzeil

I just tried to demote an injured player on a team during Spring Training and received a popup saying to put him on the DL instead.

In another league I have demoted an injured player so now I am confused why under certain circumstances I can demote an injured players an in others I cannot.

The player you tried to demote in the first case was on the 40-man roster, which by definition means he was on the major league roster.

The player you successfully demoted in the second case was not on the 40-man roster.