Team Focus - Few Rebuilds?

GeneralCornRowWallace · 08-18-2017, 01:01 PM

I have simmed a dozen seasons minimum each over 2 or 3 quick starts since getting 18. What i have noticed is that the vast majority of team focuses are nothing, neutral.

On average I will have 3 teams that are win now, maybe 1 that is build a dynasty and never see anyone that is in rebuild mode.

Is anyone else seeing this?

r0nster · 08-18-2017, 04:10 PM

yes I have noticed it ... but said nothing about it .... some things I just deal with and others not so.

RchW · 08-18-2017, 06:30 PM

In my OOTP LEAGUE have 15 neutral 1 rebuild 14 win now. Based on wins 4 of the neutrals and 4 of the win nows are delusional but I haven't researched each in detail

The question not answered is just how many real life teams are actually in a rebuild right now in 2017? I see White Sox and Phillies and Padres. Any I missed?

I see 12 RL Win now teams despite the low odds for most of them.

It's hard to say what the right numbers should be.

SirMichaelJordan · 08-26-2017, 09:48 AM

I think teams should start changing focus around july, I think the problem is that the focus don't change that MUCH outside of a new season. Ive seen a team with a bad record still listed as win now when in reality, they should have dropped to at least neutral around the trade deadline.

David Watts · 08-26-2017, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RchW

In my OOTP LEAGUE have 15 neutral 1 rebuild 14 win now. Based on wins 4 of the neutrals and 4 of the win nows are delusional but I haven't researched each in detail

The question not answered is just how many real life teams are actually in a rebuild right now in 2017? I see White Sox and Phillies and Padres. Any I missed?

I see 12 RL Win now teams despite the low odds for most of them.

It's hard to say what the right numbers should be.

I think the Tigers want to be in a rebuild, but are strapped with so many bad contracts they simply can't go all out.

markprior22 · 08-26-2017, 11:16 AM

Where this really stands out is at the trading deadline. You can't typically unload a somewhat high priced vet to a contending team for prospects. I know that there are limits and the player must be useful to the contending team but I've found that deadline deals made in MLB aren't represented well in OOTP. More teams need to be in "rebuilding" or "contending" mode at the deadline.

wallewalls · 08-26-2017, 11:27 AM

There should be more than Neutral, Win Now, Rebuilding, and Build a Dynasty. You can be sellers at the trade deadline, but not in a rebuild. Is that neutral? Is that win now?

SirMichaelJordan · 08-26-2017, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by wallewalls

There should be more than Neutral, Win Now, Rebuilding, and Build a Dynasty. You can be sellers at the trade deadline, but not in a rebuild. Is that neutral? Is that win now?

I would think thats neutral.

RchW · 08-26-2017, 03:30 PM

Neutral covers a wide path.

Zimmer · 08-28-2017, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RchW

In my OOTP LEAGUE have 15 neutral 1 rebuild 14 win now. Based on wins 4 of the neutrals and 4 of the win nows are delusional but I haven't researched each in detail

The question not answered is just how many real life teams are actually in a rebuild right now in 2017? I see White Sox and Phillies and Padres. Any I missed?

I see 12 RL Win now teams despite the low odds for most of them.

It's hard to say what the right numbers should be.

In RL, it is a tuff honest answer. Right now today in the AL, there are about 8 teams with a Wild Card Shot so one could say they are in "Win Now" mode but realistically, most have no shot going deep into the playoffs.

Last year, the Yankees were sellers and now this year, they are in Win Now mode, even buying back a key player they sold last year (a selling year for them) ... closer Chapman (or former closer until he gets his mojo back).

My impression is there "should be" more teams rebuilding and more "Win Now" with fewer neutrals.

QUESTION: Does the AI treat the "Rebuilders" in a way where they are more willing to sell a good veteran for prospects?

Likewise, does the AI treat a "Win Now" team as more willing to give up juicy prospects for a veteran?

Marsupilami · 08-28-2017, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

In my OOTP LEAGUE have 15 neutral 1 rebuild 14 win now. Based on wins 4 of the neutrals and 4 of the win nows are delusional but I haven't researched each in detail

The question not answered is just how many real life teams are actually in a rebuild right now in 2017? I see White Sox and Phillies and Padres. Any I missed?

I see 12 RL Win now teams despite the low odds for most of them.

It's hard to say what the right numbers should be.

going into this year, the Brewers, Braves, Reds and Twins were labeled as rebuilding too.
the fact that MIN and MIL both are somewhat still fighting at this point in time, doesnt really change that their focus is not on winning right now as they have plenty young players on the rosters.
they will gladly take a spot in the playoffs if they can (and werent sellers at this TD as would have been expected last winter) but they didnt go all out either knowing that their ride might fizzle out this year

Bub13 · 08-28-2017, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Zimmer

QUESTION: Does the AI treat the "Rebuilders" in a way where they are more willing to sell a good veteran for prospects?

Likewise, does the AI treat a "Win Now" team as more willing to give up juicy prospects for a veteran?

Good questions. Also: does the AI treat your team (team you are GM of) differently if you set a status? I've never set my team's status other than 'neutral' so I'm wondering if there is an effect.

Zimmer · 08-29-2017, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bub13

Good questions. Also: does the AI treat your team (team you are GM of) differently if you set a status? I've never set my team's status other than 'neutral' so I'm wondering if there is an effect.

Good question also. I hope somebody comes along and answers both your question and mine re team "mode" and how it affects AI trading.

Griever20 · 08-29-2017, 11:20 AM

I have been lobbying for a "Retooling" mode where the AI basically is willing to trade every contract running out at the end of the season to add some prospects, but wants to keep the rest of the core together, simply because that is how ALOT of teams attack the trade deadline.

EDIT: Rebuild for me means that a team is willing to listen to offers to every player over 6y of service time, example Chicago White Sox this season.

08-18-2017, 01:01 PM	#1
GeneralCornRowWallace Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 83	Team Focus - Few Rebuilds? I have simmed a dozen seasons minimum each over 2 or 3 quick starts since getting 18. What i have noticed is that the vast majority of team focuses are nothing, neutral. On average I will have 3 teams that are win now, maybe 1 that is build a dynasty and never see anyone that is in rebuild mode. Is anyone else seeing this?

08-18-2017, 06:30 PM	#3
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	In my OOTP LEAGUE have 15 neutral 1 rebuild 14 win now. Based on wins 4 of the neutrals and 4 of the win nows are delusional but I haven't researched each in detail The question not answered is just how many real life teams are actually in a rebuild right now in 2017? I see White Sox and Phillies and Padres. Any I missed? I see 12 RL Win now teams despite the low odds for most of them. It's hard to say what the right numbers should be. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit Last edited by RchW; 08-18-2017 at 06:31 PM.

08-26-2017, 09:48 AM	#4
SirMichaelJordan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,716	I think teams should start changing focus around july, I think the problem is that the focus don't change that MUCH outside of a new season. Ive seen a team with a bad record still listed as win now when in reality, they should have dropped to at least neutral around the trade deadline. Last edited by SirMichaelJordan; 08-26-2017 at 09:50 AM.

08-26-2017, 03:30 PM	#9
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Neutral covers a wide path. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

08-29-2017, 11:20 AM	#14
Griever20 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Dortmund, Germany Posts: 3,727	I have been lobbying for a "Retooling" mode where the AI basically is willing to trade every contract running out at the end of the season to add some prospects, but wants to keep the rest of the core together, simply because that is how ALOT of teams attack the trade deadline. EDIT: Rebuild for me means that a team is willing to listen to offers to every player over 6y of service time, example Chicago White Sox this season. __________________ The Montreal Expos... Exposing the New MLB? MLB 2015 - Being the Brewmaster(ended) MLB 2013: The Blue Jays That Never Were(concluded)

08-18-2017, 04:10 PM	#2
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,053	yes I have noticed it ... but said nothing about it .... some things I just deal with and others not so.

08-26-2017, 11:16 AM	#6
markprior22 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: springfield, illinois Posts: 1,235	Where this really stands out is at the trading deadline. You can't typically unload a somewhat high priced vet to a contending team for prospects. I know that there are limits and the player must be useful to the contending team but I've found that deadline deals made in MLB aren't represented well in OOTP. More teams need to be in "rebuilding" or "contending" mode at the deadline.

08-26-2017, 11:27 AM	#7
wallewalls All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 774 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	There should be more than Neutral, Win Now, Rebuilding, and Build a Dynasty. You can be sellers at the trade deadline, but not in a rebuild. Is that neutral? Is that win now?