Quick MLB (pre-draft) roster update released!

[Markus Heinsohn]

Hey guys,

Since the next official patch is already about a week away, we figured we'd still share the MLB roster update with your a bit early, since a lot of work went into it for the draft-eligible players and also minor league player ratings.

I have uploaded a new default world template, which is used when you create a new standard game from the main screen. You can download it here:

http://cdnfiles.ootpdevelopments.com...0217_06_15.zip

In order to install it after downloading, follow these steps:
1) Launch OOTP, and click on the Settings button.
2) Click on the Troubleshooting tab, and then on the button "Open folder containing customizable data".
3) A file explorer / finder window will open, navigate to the folder "world_templates" and rename the file "default.wtp" to something like "default_backup.wtp".
4) Unzip the downloaded file to this folder, which will create a new default.wtp file which contains the new database.
5) Create a new standard game from inside OOTP.

Enjoy! We'll release the next official OOTP update late next week, it will contain this roster update, bug fixes and some great new features Stay tuned!

Cheers,
Markus

[texasmame]

Dare I ask if these two inadequacies have been addressed?


Bullpen idiocy:
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=276318

and

3D label moving:
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=263819

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by texasmame

Dare I ask if these two inadequacies have been addressed?


Bullpen idiocy:
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=276318

and

3D label moving:
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=263819

This is just a roster update, it's not a patch

[Lukas Berger]

We do have a little surprise/new feature coming in the next patch that related to warming up pitchers though. It doesn't prevent pitchers warming up from getting tired but it helps with managing the bullpen for sure.

[texasmame]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

This is just a roster update, it's not a patch

Thanks, but was speaking more to this part:

"Enjoy! We'll release the next official OOTP update late next week, it will contain this roster update, bug fixes and some great new features. . ."

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by texasmame

Thanks, but was speaking more to this part:

"Enjoy! We'll release the next official OOTP update late next week, it will contain this roster update, bug fixes and some great new features. . ."

I'm not sure on the 3d labels, would have to check.

We're don't intend to turn off the ability for pitchers to get tired in the bullpen. Imo it makes no sense at all to do that.

If you do that, there's literally no reason to have a warmup function at all because there's no strategy at all to warming guys up. You could just start warming two guys up in the first and keep them warming up all game to have them ready when you need them.

If you don't like the guys getting tired, it makes much more sense to turn the warmup feature off entirely. That basically accomplishes the same thing that not letting warming up guys get tired would, instantly ready but perfectly fresh pitchers anytime you want them.

But it's not all bad news. See my other post above, we did add a cool new feature that really helps with handling the bullpen and I think should mostly address any concerns on pitchers getting tired while warming up while still keeping the strategy part of warming up guys in the game.

[texasmame]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

I'm not sure on the 3d labels, would have to check.

We're don't intend to turn off the ability for pitchers to get tired in the bullpen. Imo it makes no sense at all to do that.

If you do that, there's literally no reason to have a warmup function at all because there's no strategy at all to warming guys up. You could just start warming two guys up in the first and keep them warming up all game to have them ready when you need them.

If you don't like the guys getting tired, it makes much more sense to turn the warmup feature off entirely. That basically accomplishes the same thing that not letting warming up guys get tired would, instantly ready but perfectly fresh pitchers anytime you want them.

But it's not all bad news. See my other post above, we did add a cool new feature that really helps with handling the bullpen and I think should mostly address any concerns on pitchers getting tired.

Head meet desk.

Is this a sim (remember what that means - short for "simulator") or an XBox game? Again - PITCHERS DON'T GET TIRED IN THE BULLPEN IRL BASEBALL!

Did you guys even read this thread? Good Lord. There have been several suggestions as to how to address this (including have bullpen coach sit them down automatically after a set period) but removing part of baseball strategy (deciding when to warm up whom) IS NOT A VIABLE SOLUTION and a large faction of your customer base has made that clear already!

Don't justify this flawed, unrealistic feature.

Fix.
It.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by texasmame

Head meet desk.

Is this a sim (remember what that means - short for "simulator") or an XBox game? Again - PITCHERS DON'T GET TIRED IN THE BULLPEN IRL BASEBALL!

Did you guys even read this thread? Good Lord. There have been several suggestions as to how to address this (including have bullpen coach sit them down automatically after a set period) but removing part of baseball strategy (deciding when to warm up whom) IS NOT A VIABLE SOLUTION and a large faction of your customer base has made that clear already!

Don't justify it.

Fix.
It.

You say real pitchers don't get tired warming up. Do you have any actual proof of that? How do you know that they don't, are you a pro pitcher or pitching coach?

What would be unrealistic would be to be able to warm pitchers up in the first inning and keep them ready all game and never actually have them get tired. What you're advocating for would allow that to happen. That's far, far more unrealistic than pitchers getting a little tired if you warm them up for six innings straight.

We just disagree with you. For as many people as dislike the feature, there are many more that like it. We can't please everyone and we're choosing to go with what we like most, and what we think is the best, most realistic and most strategic option. I'm sorry you dislike it, but we can't please everyone here.

Anyhow, this is all totally off-topic. If you have any more points to make feel free to make them in the warmup thread. We've read the thread, but we weren't really convinced by the arguments there. If you have anything else though, please feel free to add it. We're always happy to listen and we're more than willing to change our opinions and make changes to the game if presented with convincing counter-arguments, but that hasn't happened yet here. Maybe it will in the future though.

I still do think the new feature I'm referring to will alleviate most of your concerns on the issue. It makes bullpen management much, much easier.

[NoOne]

some meathead has definitely thrown too much before entering a game.. i bet some of those buffoons require a coach/staff member to watch them, even after years of playing pro ball. it may even be strategic - a mind set they need to be in to perform well in front of crazy people screaming at them.

and, just to point out... one way is exclusive and the other is inclusive. the status quo allows the upset person to turn off warm-ups, which is essentially equivalent to their perspective of it, and those that want to manage it get to use it. if it were changed, the people who enjoy that will no longer get to experience that pleasure.

heck, i turn off $$$ for draft picks.. in my world the league exerts its leverage and squashes that nonsense

[Lukas Berger]

Since it's definitely a detriment in real life to have to get a guy ready in a hurry, why don't real teams always keep someone warming up at every time, just in case?

If pitchers don't get tired warming up, there's no real reason not to keep someone warming up all game every game in real life, right? So why don't teams do that?

It's because real pitchers do get tired warming up and the more they warm up, the more tired they get. Even if they sit down once they're warm, the process of just getting warm again once they've cooled off multiple times is tiring in and of itself and surely it's more tiring the more often you do it. There has to be a point where that would become the equivalent of actually pitching in a game for however many innings.

[texasmame]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

You say real pitchers don't get tired warming up. Do you have any actual proof of that? How do you know that they don't, are you a pro pitcher or pitching coach?

What would be unrealistic would be to be able to warm pitchers up in the first inning and keep them ready all game and never actually have them get tired. What you're advocating for would allow that to happen. That's far, far more unrealistic than pitchers getting a little tired if you warm them up for six innings straight.

We just disagree with you. For as many people as dislike the feature, there are many more that like it. We can't please everyone and we're choosing to go with what we like most, and what we think is the best, most realistic and most strategic option. I'm sorry you dislike it, but we can't please everyone here.

Anyhow, this is all totally off-topic. If you have any more points to make feel free to make them in the warmup thread. We've read the thread, but we weren't really convinced by the arguments there. If you have anything else though, please feel free to add it. We're always happy to listen and we're more than willing to change our opinions and make changes to the game if presented with convincing counter-arguments, but that hasn't happened yet here. Maybe it will in the future though.

I still do think the new feature I'm referring to will alleviate most of your concerns on the issue. It makes bullpen management much, much easier.

As is obvious from the above, you did not read the thread. Or if you did, you chose to ignore some of the VERY POINTS that were made for your "arguments" above. Terribly weak.

Here's a suggestion - reach out to Curt Schilling. He can be the judge on this. I'm sure he still plays, hopefully this version, and can speak with the highest level of authority on this.

Question being: is the current way in which warmups are currently handled in OOTP realistic in that a pitcher warming up throws and throws and throws and throws, unabated, until he gets tired out. THAT'S what your current system does and that's just not baseball. It's just not. It is, in a word, wrong.

Ask him to review the thread and make a recommendation. I'm guessing he may get a kick out being asked to chime in to boot.

Whatever my sports hero says goes - fair enough?

Otherwise, I'll just have to presume from the evidence given that OOTP has started the downward spiral that inevitably comes when a company gets too large for its own good - ignoring its customer base because it simply wants to do things a certain way, plebes be damned.

[robedits]

markus is this on Steam yet? Thanks!

[texasmame]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Since it's definitely a detriment in real life to have to get a guy ready in a hurry, why don't real teams always keep someone warming up at every time, just in case?

If pitchers don't get tired warming up, there's no real reason not to keep someone warming up all game every game in real life, right? So why don't teams do that?

It's because real pitchers do get tired warming up and the more they warm up, the more tired they get. Even if they sit down once they're warm, the process of just getting warm again once they've cooled off multiple times is tiring in and of itself and surely it's more tiring the more often you do it. There has to be a point where that would become the equivalent of actually pitching in a game for however many innings.

This is all in the thread already. Did you do your homework, Lukas?

[zappa1]

Sometimes a bullpen pitcher can be up and down 2 or 3 times during a game. I've seen it happen many a time before.

Maybe some players want it to be automatic that once the bullpen pitcher reaches a certain time of warming up, he sits down. This should not be too hard of an option to add. Like a check box for "sit down relief pitcher when tired". If you are too lazy to manage it yourself or are playing in GM mode only.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by texasmame

Otherwise, I'll just have to presume from the evidence given that OOTP has started the downward spiral that inevitably comes when a company gets too large for its own good - ignoring its customer base because it simply wants to do things a certain way, plebes be damned.

See, I have a problem with this argument.

We're not ignoring the customer base, in part because actually more people argued against your point than for it in the thread.

The arguments you've made are simply not convincing to us. That doesn't mean we can't be wrong, or you can't be right, or that we're ignoring you. Again, we simply disagree and we haven't been convinced otherwise yet.

That's our prerogative, no? We do get the right to hear all the arguments on a subject and still to have our own opinions about how things should work, right?

Even if more people do agree with your point, still that's just another data point to consider. If that was the deciding factor, we'd just institute popular voting on all features in the game and new features. I don't think anyone would want to see or play the game that would result in

The way the game's always worked is that if you want something changed, you have to convince the dev team that it should be changed. There are plenty of things that have been changed over the years because of customer arguments, and there are plenty that have been considered and rejected. That's no different now than it ever was.

The Curt Schilling idea is a good one though, and we know some other current and former pitchers as well.

The thing is, Markus has already talked with a lot of them about a lot of this stuff in the past. I guessing some of this has probably come up in those conversations, and it may even be part of why the original design happened the way it did.

We've definitely listed to and taken their advice on quite a few things, so if this isn't one of them, it seems unlikely they raised any strenuous objections to the current system. I can't say that for sure though, since I wasn't there for most of the conversations.

Obviously it can't hurt to ask again though, and I'd guess we might just do that at some point.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by texasmame

This is all in the thread already. Did you do your homework, Lukas?

It was never answered convincingly as far as I recall.

But no, I don't remember every single point from a months old thread, so I'm sure I may've missed something

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by robedits

markus is this on Steam yet? Thanks!

I believe this patch won't go out through steam. You can download it manually in the link above, and replace the files in your steam install, if you wish to start a new game with the updated rosters.

It will be included by default, obviously, when the full patch releases.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

It was never answered convincingly as far as I recall.

But no, I don't remember every single point from a months old thread, so I'm sure I may've missed something

Anyhow, we really are getting off topic. We should probably move this to the other thread

[texasmame]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Anyhow, we really are getting off topic. We should probably move this to the other thread

No real need - this horse is dead.

We need the Honorable Judge Schilling to render a decision on this matter now! *all rise*

I'm out - thanks for chiming in at all on this issue.

[robedits]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

I believe this patch won't go out through steam. You can download it manually in the link above, and replace the files in your steam install, if you wish to start a new game with the updated rosters.

It will be included by default, obviously, when the full patch releases.

Thanks a bunch...good to know. As always, thanks OOTP team for all the hard work, on a game that has had me completely addicted for two years running.
rob