How do you determine the number 1 pick in draft?

ForeverRoyalKC · 05-21-2017, 03:20 PM

So you have seven full five star players and twenty four and a half star players at the top of the draft pool. How do you figure out who the number one pick is?? Is it personal preference by looking at all of them and comparing attributes and characteristics?? There are some doozys in my 2017 draft class, but I just don't know who the top pick is!
Is it basically who the AI lists in order when you list them by potential star ratings??

mitchkenn · 05-21-2017, 03:49 PM

i look at my team needs if one player doesnt stand out.

andyhdz · 05-21-2017, 04:03 PM

that's a pretty deep draft.

'94 EXPOS · 05-21-2017, 04:21 PM

Trust your scout...unless the one he is picking has a red flag (2 pitch starter with an undeveloped crappy change for example)

The Yurpman · 05-21-2017, 05:53 PM

If, everything else being equal, go for a player with high work ethic and/or high intelligence.

GunnyB · 05-22-2017, 08:26 PM

I agree with The Yurpman. That's my theory too.

Orcin · 05-22-2017, 08:38 PM

Best starting pitcher available. Stuff, movement, k/bb ratio, stamina all important. Needs to be a "swing-and-miss" pitcher. Personality must be considered if applicable in your game.

azepeda · 05-22-2017, 09:28 PM

I agree with Yurpman, but also look at defense. If he has good Infield Range, Error , Arm and Turning DP but has not developed at his position then his overall potential rating has a good chance to go up. Same thing with outfield defense and catching defense. With the first pick, it is almost always best available but if it is a choice of several players with the same potential then fill a need.

az

polydamas · 05-23-2017, 12:44 AM

My method involves the legs of a recently deceased toad, the arms of a white-bellied rock lizard (removed whilst alive), a baby pigeon, and half cooked yellow-bellied snapping turtle. Place all items in a cauldron and then select the best starting pitcher with at least 3 good pitches and at least normal/normal work ethic/intelligence.

keeks · 05-23-2017, 11:25 AM

I had the #1 overall pick as the Expansion Las Vegas Aces and there was a 5 star shortstop prospect from Las Vegas. That ended up being the tiebreaker between him and another guy. Love being able to draft a local guy #1 overall, hes gonna have a long career with me

msupoke · 05-23-2017, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by polydamas

My method involves the legs of a recently deceased toad, the arms of a white-bellied rock lizard (removed whilst alive), a baby pigeon, and half cooked yellow-bellied snapping turtle. Place all items in a cauldron and then select the best starting pitcher with at least 3 good pitches and at least normal/normal work ethic/intelligence.

I cannot make a decision on an empty stomach, either.

Rosco Peabody · 05-23-2017, 05:08 PM

I also draft based on need. If I have a pick near the top of a draft, I know that there is a decent likelihood that the player will be starting on my team in a few years, so I pick a position that isn't locked up.

Otherwise, I also try to pick a player that both OSA and my scout agree are great. If one says he's a bum, chances are that he might be

texasmame · 05-23-2017, 05:08 PM

Starting pitcher - always. My feeling is that CONTROL is the most important attribute, as that helps keep the WHIP down.

After that, bullpen guy with big strikeout capabilities.

Lastly, OPB machines for hitters.

ThePretender · 05-24-2017, 08:08 AM

I think it's the wrong approach to say you should take a pitcher or draft for need. If you're picking #1 overall you want the best possible player. Sometimes that's a pitcher, sometimes it's not. And while I'd prefer a player with high work ethic, if there's a clearly superior player with lower work ethic who is well developed for his age, I wouldn't pass him up either.

So I think you have to evaluate who will be the best player and take that guy. You don't have to keep that player - you can always trade them to get you a player that fits a specific need down the line. But for both trade value and production you're always better off drafting the best player, as opposed to saying you "Need" pitching or drafting for need (which is the worst thing to do, as a rebuilding team).

Admittedly I don't think I've ever drafted first overall, and I'm usually drafting late, but I would never draft need or say you have to take a specific position. The few times i have drafted high, I've mixed it up probably 50/50 hitter and pitcher. The last time I drafted top 3 I passed on a pitcher and ended up getting a HoF SS who won GG, silver sluggers, an MVP, and is the all time WAR leader for a SS. Pitching wins championships is a nice cliche, but it doesn't mean you should draft SP every time either.

r0nster · 05-24-2017, 08:30 AM

I prefer to get the best of ALL qualities and injury rating as high as possible. work ethics help in keeping every ones ratings up.

Orcin · 05-24-2017, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ThePretender

I think it's the wrong approach to say you should take a pitcher or draft for need. If you're picking #1 overall you want the best possible player. Sometimes that's a pitcher, sometimes it's not. (snip) Pitching wins championships is a nice cliche, but it doesn't mean you should draft SP every time either.

You can always trade great starting pitchers for great position players, so I try to build a stable of SP prospects to use as currency.

henry296 · 05-24-2017, 12:08 PM

If playing historical without historical minors, you can focus more on need as those players are usually ready.

ThePretender · 05-24-2017, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

You can always trade great starting pitchers for great position players, so I try to build a stable of SP prospects to use as currency.

In theory, sure, but you can also draft a better position player than the guy you're hypothetically trading for. I get the value in getting pitchers even for trade purposes, but sometimes it's just smarter to draft a bat, and a narrow minded approach to say "I'm only taking a pitcher".

There are times when taking a pitcher is the best approach, but sometimes there are elite bats that you shouldn't pass up, especially when they can play D at an up the middle position.

NoOne · 05-24-2017, 12:36 PM

this or any similar situation - even FA at times...

i'll weed out the players with pok marks, then work with a smaller list... continue to widdle out hte ones with problems... all things are important, but talent is most important, then the other stuff in varying degrees... personality is more about avoiding the bottom ~1/2.

99% certain: intelligence -> development and work ethic -> maintaining current ability (more about aging, but really they can lose current ability at anytime), so if you don't keep players when they get old and expensive, don't worry as much about work ethic, but still important... intelligence is what affects likelihood of development.

if multiple 'perfect' players are available, i'll typically go with a potential dominant SP, but if the batter is great contact/great power... i'll grab those types of batters, too.

in some contexts it's easy to let one factor be a black and white decision, but in most you have to consider many things at once. e.g. if i have 3 young SP in the mlb and a couple prospects in the pipeline developing well, i will definitely shift focus to batting, but not a gurantee, either.

when winning a bunch its more dependent on non-draft avenues for new players.

if you draft top-5, don't reach. take potential, but don't think ... oh if that 1 thing improves this guy is better... don't make that dreamer bet. assume things will get worse from what you see, not better. consider time it takes to develop... longer it takes, the more likely the fall a bit potential-wise.

JackD · 05-27-2017, 09:43 PM

The starting pitcher advice is pretty solid, definitely look to see if there are any stud starters with 3 or more pitches. That being said, if you see a position player with really well rounded ratings that you like and has good personality traits, I would say go for him. For example, one time I took a catcher in the top 10 over a starting pitcher I liked, and was so stressed out about possibly missing out on a future ace. The catcher ended up being a top of the lineup guy for many years for me, and the pitcher fell apart in the minors. Also, check OSA ratings as well for top prospects. Sometimes your scout loves a guy the rest of the league doesn't.

05-21-2017, 03:49 PM	#2
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05-22-2017, 08:26 PM	#6
GunnyB Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2017 Location: Southeast US Posts: 206	I agree with The Yurpman. That's my theory too. __________________ If pain is the sign of weakness leaving the body...then, I must be weak.

05-23-2017, 05:08 PM	#13
texasmame All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Planet Texas Posts: 1,724	Starting pitcher - always. My feeling is that CONTROL is the most important attribute, as that helps keep the WHIP down. After that, bullpen guy with big strikeout capabilities. Lastly, OPB machines for hitters. __________________ Managing and rebuilding the 98-loss TOKYO THUNDER. 62-19 at the ALL-STAR BREAK. 11 game lead in the NL West.

05-24-2017, 12:36 PM	#19
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	this or any similar situation - even FA at times... i'll weed out the players with pok marks, then work with a smaller list... continue to widdle out hte ones with problems... all things are important, but talent is most important, then the other stuff in varying degrees... personality is more about avoiding the bottom ~1/2. 99% certain: intelligence -> development and work ethic -> maintaining current ability (more about aging, but really they can lose current ability at anytime), so if you don't keep players when they get old and expensive, don't worry as much about work ethic, but still important... intelligence is what affects likelihood of development. if multiple 'perfect' players are available, i'll typically go with a potential dominant SP, but if the batter is great contact/great power... i'll grab those types of batters, too. in some contexts it's easy to let one factor be a black and white decision, but in most you have to consider many things at once. e.g. if i have 3 young SP in the mlb and a couple prospects in the pipeline developing well, i will definitely shift focus to batting, but not a gurantee, either. when winning a bunch its more dependent on non-draft avenues for new players. if you draft top-5, don't reach. take potential, but don't think ... oh if that 1 thing improves this guy is better... don't make that dreamer bet. assume things will get worse from what you see, not better. consider time it takes to develop... longer it takes, the more likely the fall a bit potential-wise. Last edited by NoOne; 05-24-2017 at 12:38 PM.

05-21-2017, 03:20 PM	#1
ForeverRoyalKC All Star Starter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Hop, skip and a jump from Pomme De Terre Lake, MO. Posts: 1,226	How do you determine the number 1 pick in draft? So you have seven full five star players and twenty four and a half star players at the top of the draft pool. How do you figure out who the number one pick is?? Is it personal preference by looking at all of them and comparing attributes and characteristics?? There are some doozys in my 2017 draft class, but I just don't know who the top pick is! Is it basically who the AI lists in order when you list them by potential star ratings??

05-21-2017, 04:03 PM	#3
andyhdz All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Fresno, CA by way of Texas Posts: 1,754	that's a pretty deep draft.

05-21-2017, 04:21 PM	#4
'94 EXPOS Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 323	Trust your scout...unless the one he is picking has a red flag (2 pitch starter with an undeveloped crappy change for example)

05-21-2017, 05:53 PM	#5
The Yurpman Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 320	If, everything else being equal, go for a player with high work ethic and/or high intelligence.

05-22-2017, 08:38 PM	#7
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,890	Best starting pitcher available. Stuff, movement, k/bb ratio, stamina all important. Needs to be a "swing-and-miss" pitcher. Personality must be considered if applicable in your game.

05-22-2017, 09:28 PM	#8
azepeda Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 151	I agree with Yurpman, but also look at defense. If he has good Infield Range, Error , Arm and Turning DP but has not developed at his position then his overall potential rating has a good chance to go up. Same thing with outfield defense and catching defense. With the first pick, it is almost always best available but if it is a choice of several players with the same potential then fill a need. az

05-23-2017, 12:44 AM	#9
polydamas All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 604	My method involves the legs of a recently deceased toad, the arms of a white-bellied rock lizard (removed whilst alive), a baby pigeon, and half cooked yellow-bellied snapping turtle. Place all items in a cauldron and then select the best starting pitcher with at least 3 good pitches and at least normal/normal work ethic/intelligence.

05-23-2017, 11:25 AM	#10
keeks Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 77	I had the #1 overall pick as the Expansion Las Vegas Aces and there was a 5 star shortstop prospect from Las Vegas. That ended up being the tiebreaker between him and another guy. Love being able to draft a local guy #1 overall, hes gonna have a long career with me

05-23-2017, 05:08 PM	#12
Rosco Peabody All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: South of Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 1,092	I also draft based on need. If I have a pick near the top of a draft, I know that there is a decent likelihood that the player will be starting on my team in a few years, so I pick a position that isn't locked up. Otherwise, I also try to pick a player that both OSA and my scout agree are great. If one says he's a bum, chances are that he might be

05-24-2017, 08:08 AM	#14
ThePretender All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,331	I think it's the wrong approach to say you should take a pitcher or draft for need. If you're picking #1 overall you want the best possible player. Sometimes that's a pitcher, sometimes it's not. And while I'd prefer a player with high work ethic, if there's a clearly superior player with lower work ethic who is well developed for his age, I wouldn't pass him up either. So I think you have to evaluate who will be the best player and take that guy. You don't have to keep that player - you can always trade them to get you a player that fits a specific need down the line. But for both trade value and production you're always better off drafting the best player, as opposed to saying you "Need" pitching or drafting for need (which is the worst thing to do, as a rebuilding team). Admittedly I don't think I've ever drafted first overall, and I'm usually drafting late, but I would never draft need or say you have to take a specific position. The few times i have drafted high, I've mixed it up probably 50/50 hitter and pitcher. The last time I drafted top 3 I passed on a pitcher and ended up getting a HoF SS who won GG, silver sluggers, an MVP, and is the all time WAR leader for a SS. Pitching wins championships is a nice cliche, but it doesn't mean you should draft SP every time either.

05-24-2017, 08:30 AM	#15
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,082	I prefer to get the best of ALL qualities and injury rating as high as possible. work ethics help in keeping every ones ratings up.

05-24-2017, 12:08 PM	#17
henry296 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 514	If playing historical without historical minors, you can focus more on need as those players are usually ready.

05-27-2017, 09:43 PM	#20
JackD Bat Boy Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 15	The starting pitcher advice is pretty solid, definitely look to see if there are any stud starters with 3 or more pitches. That being said, if you see a position player with really well rounded ratings that you like and has good personality traits, I would say go for him. For example, one time I took a catcher in the top 10 over a starting pitcher I liked, and was so stressed out about possibly missing out on a future ace. The catcher ended up being a top of the lineup guy for many years for me, and the pitcher fell apart in the minors. Also, check OSA ratings as well for top prospects. Sometimes your scout loves a guy the rest of the league doesn't.