The Incredible Vanishing Player Bug.

darkhorse · 03-09-2003, 09:09 PM

As a historical simmer, I have been less than happy with OOTP5. Lots of cool new improvements but still many annoyances kill my enjoyment.

Defensive import from the Lahman database is still broken. Positions don't import correctly, some are missing, and fielding percentages are wrong. It is easier to enter the data from www.baseballreference.com when correcting errors with the new interface. Small comfort.

Then there is the maddening vanishing player bug that Steely Glint has been posting about. I import the players to make up my 1871 league and pitchers show up when viewing "All" but some do not show up where it counts, on the "Active Roster" screen.

I'm in season two now and suddenly a team which has been bug free to date has 7 of the 22 players on the ML roster vanish including both pitchers. Pull out your hair exasperation at this point.

Hopefully Steely Glint has been seen and heard and this joy killing bug gets squashed in the next update.

I'd been anticipating the new release as much as any but this historical sim freak is more than mildly annoyed.

Steely Glint · 03-09-2003, 09:21 PM

Ah hah! So I am not the only one having this problem with OOTP5!

holyroller · 03-09-2003, 09:33 PM

bump

Steve Kuffrey · 03-09-2003, 09:48 PM

Is this happening in historicals only?

darkhorse · 03-09-2003, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve Kuffrey
Is this happening in historicals only?

Dunno, I don't play fictionals.

HolyCow98 · 03-10-2003, 12:14 AM

It happened with me in a historical sim....Christy Mathweson had won 4 Pitcher of the Year Awards and then vanished.....

I looked in league setup "find players" nothing....
I looked in the Hall of Fame "retired players"
No report of injury in League News....

That has been the only time I've seen it but I have been mainly trying yo get my fictional league going...

By the way, that was the day OOTP 5 was released, so it was pre-5.01

darkhorse · 03-10-2003, 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by HolyCow98
By the way, that was the day OOTP 5 was released, so it was pre-5.01

I'm running 5.01 and sadly this bug continues in all its wretched glory.

Steely Glint · 03-10-2003, 01:14 AM

Steve, it happened to me in a fictional league created with 5.01.

Houston, we have a problem.

holyroller · 03-10-2003, 04:52 AM

bump

holyroller · 03-10-2003, 06:25 PM

bump again...this is tremendously important and got buried

Henry · 03-10-2003, 06:26 PM

FYI : been trying to dupliacte every sample posted so far and coming up with nothing ...

Henry

darkhorse · 03-11-2003, 02:18 AM

Just read the update of Steely Glints thread, so I thought I would detail the steps I take in creating my 1871 league.

I run a custom league, make the year 1870, draft 15 players for each team and sim out a 60 game schedule. When the season concludes, I drop all the players from each team into the FA pool and delete them all. I also delete all records that the game generated from the first season as I am only concerned with the 1871 season that will follow.

I then advance to the next season and import real MLB rookies that made up the first season of professional baseball in 1871. 115 players for 8 teams. The league is a pair of 4 team leagues.

Each team ends up with 1-2 pitchers as one pitcher would throw 95% of his teams innings that first season.

Invariably, 3-4 of these 8 teams will show all their pitchers as being missing from the active roster. They are viewable from the "All" screen but of no use as they are not "Active".

I used this workaround to play 1871 leagues in OOTP4 and it ran smoothly, no worries. Now in OOTP5, I get the vanishing player bug, players not visible on the active screen and invariably they are pitchers. As I stated before, when you click "All" they are viewable.

Markus Heinsohn · 03-11-2003, 03:27 AM

OK, I'll try to track it down once I'm healthy again (got the flu). I hope to get one patch out (5.02) before the big update (5.1)...

darkhorse · 03-11-2003, 03:40 AM

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Originally posted by Markus Heinsohn
OK, I'll try to track it down once I'm healthy again (got the flu). I hope to get one patch out (5.02) before the big update (5.1)...

Good to hear. I hope this bug gets vanquished in 5.02. I can only wonder what cool stuff might be included in the 5.1 update.

I've been sick for over a week with that nonsense and have felt like doing nothing.

CommishJoe · 03-11-2003, 08:20 AM

Darkhorse .. can you see if those players export with my CSV Exporter? If so, I would suggest sending the CSV to Markus with the Player ID of the player that disappeared. Might help him track this down.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 03-11-2003, 10:18 AM

Thank GOD I'm not the only one seeing this!

Er.... not that I want your players to disappear or anything, darkhorse.......

I'm having the same problem with my solo historical league (an 1871 league also), and so is one of my online leagues.

Also, I'm glad to hear that it's happening in seasons other than 1871.... I was afraid we'd just get ignored on this if it was only a 19th century thing.

darkhorse · 03-11-2003, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CommishJoe
Darkhorse .. can you see if those players export with my CSV Exporter? If so, I would suggest sending the CSV to Markus with the Player ID of the player that disappeared. Might help him track this down.

I would do that, Joe, but the phenomenon doesn't seem to occur to any particular player, though it happens to pitchers most often. The players who are affected change each time I create an 1871 league.

I'll create a new league and doublecheck the vanishing players involved to be sure.

Also, in my latest 1871 league, in season two, I had a team that was bug free to that point, suddenly have 7 of its 22 players vanish from the "Active" roster. They are always viewable when you click the "All" button. But since they are now invisible on the "Active" roster, they have effectively vanished.

CommishJoe · 03-11-2003, 10:33 AM

Right, so once a league is corrupted, run the CSV Exporter and see if that vanished player shows up. If it does, Markus can have a concrete example of how the data looks for that vanished player.

If I have my guess right, you'll see a blank TEAM_ID.

darkhorse · 03-11-2003, 10:38 AM

I figured out a workaround to get these vanished players back on the "Active" roster. I mention this because you may have wondered how I simmed through to season two.

I gave each vanished pitcher a field position. Then I clicked "Run Computer Manager on All Teams" and the AI put these players on the active roster at their new field position. I then put the teams in Human Manager mode and changed them back to their pitcher role and deleted the field position role I had created earlier.

They could now be placed in the rotation. However, it was necessary to keep the teams involved on Human Manager for the whole season or the AI would send them back into vanished status.

Once the 1871 season ended, and the season was advanced, the players involved no longer needed my intervention to stay on the Active roster. That was until near midseason when suddenly one of the teams had 7 of their 22 players vanish. Including several field position players for the first time. Uggh!

darkhorse · 03-11-2003, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CommishJoe
Right, so once a league is corrupted, run the CSV Exporter and see if that vanished player shows up. If it does, Markus can have a concrete example of how the data looks for that vanished player.

If I have my guess right, you'll see a blank TEAM_ID.

Will do, thanks for your help. I'd need Markus or Steve to give me any addy to email the .csv file to if they needed this info.

03-09-2003, 09:09 PM	#1
darkhorse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: fort worth, tx Posts: 10,850	The Incredible Vanishing Player Bug. As a historical simmer, I have been less than happy with OOTP5. Lots of cool new improvements but still many annoyances kill my enjoyment. Defensive import from the Lahman database is still broken. Positions don't import correctly, some are missing, and fielding percentages are wrong. It is easier to enter the data from www.baseballreference.com when correcting errors with the new interface. Small comfort. Then there is the maddening vanishing player bug that Steely Glint has been posting about. I import the players to make up my 1871 league and pitchers show up when viewing "All" but some do not show up where it counts, on the "Active Roster" screen. I'm in season two now and suddenly a team which has been bug free to date has 7 of the 22 players on the ML roster vanish including both pitchers. Pull out your hair exasperation at this point. Hopefully Steely Glint has been seen and heard and this joy killing bug gets squashed in the next update. I'd been anticipating the new release as much as any but this historical sim freak is more than mildly annoyed. __________________ "The Human Torch was denied a bank loan."

03-09-2003, 09:21 PM	#2
Steely Glint Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 430	Ah hah! So I am not the only one having this problem with OOTP5! __________________ "His eyes had the steely glint of a hired gun."

03-09-2003, 09:33 PM	#3
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	bump __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.”

03-09-2003, 09:48 PM	#4
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	Is this happening in historicals only? __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

03-10-2003, 12:14 AM	#6
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	It happened with me in a historical sim....Christy Mathweson had won 4 Pitcher of the Year Awards and then vanished..... I looked in league setup "find players" nothing.... I looked in the Hall of Fame "retired players" No report of injury in League News.... That has been the only time I've seen it but I have been mainly trying yo get my fictional league going... By the way, that was the day OOTP 5 was released, so it was pre-5.01 __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

03-10-2003, 01:14 AM	#8
Steely Glint Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 430	Steve, it happened to me in a fictional league created with 5.01. Houston, we have a problem. __________________ "His eyes had the steely glint of a hired gun."

03-10-2003, 04:52 AM	#9
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	bump __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.”

03-10-2003, 06:25 PM	#10
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	bump again...this is tremendously important and got buried __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.”

03-10-2003, 06:26 PM	#11
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	FYI : been trying to dupliacte every sample posted so far and coming up with nothing ... Henry

03-11-2003, 02:18 AM	#12
darkhorse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: fort worth, tx Posts: 10,850	Just read the update of Steely Glints thread, so I thought I would detail the steps I take in creating my 1871 league. I run a custom league, make the year 1870, draft 15 players for each team and sim out a 60 game schedule. When the season concludes, I drop all the players from each team into the FA pool and delete them all. I also delete all records that the game generated from the first season as I am only concerned with the 1871 season that will follow. I then advance to the next season and import real MLB rookies that made up the first season of professional baseball in 1871. 115 players for 8 teams. The league is a pair of 4 team leagues. Each team ends up with 1-2 pitchers as one pitcher would throw 95% of his teams innings that first season. Invariably, 3-4 of these 8 teams will show all their pitchers as being missing from the active roster. They are viewable from the "All" screen but of no use as they are not "Active". I used this workaround to play 1871 leagues in OOTP4 and it ran smoothly, no worries. Now in OOTP5, I get the vanishing player bug, players not visible on the active screen and invariably they are pitchers. As I stated before, when you click "All" they are viewable. __________________ "The Human Torch was denied a bank loan."

03-11-2003, 03:27 AM	#13
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,803	OK, I'll try to track it down once I'm healthy again (got the flu). I hope to get one patch out (5.02) before the big update (5.1)...

03-11-2003, 08:20 AM	#15
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	Darkhorse .. can you see if those players export with my CSV Exporter? If so, I would suggest sending the CSV to Markus with the Player ID of the player that disappeared. Might help him track this down. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

03-11-2003, 10:18 AM	#16
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	Thank GOD I'm not the only one seeing this! Er.... not that I want your players to disappear or anything, darkhorse....... I'm having the same problem with my solo historical league (an 1871 league also), and so is one of my online leagues. Also, I'm glad to hear that it's happening in seasons other than 1871.... I was afraid we'd just get ignored on this if it was only a 19th century thing. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

03-11-2003, 10:33 AM	#18
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	Right, so once a league is corrupted, run the CSV Exporter and see if that vanished player shows up. If it does, Markus can have a concrete example of how the data looks for that vanished player. If I have my guess right, you'll see a blank TEAM_ID. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

03-11-2003, 10:38 AM	#19
darkhorse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: fort worth, tx Posts: 10,850	I figured out a workaround to get these vanished players back on the "Active" roster. I mention this because you may have wondered how I simmed through to season two. I gave each vanished pitcher a field position. Then I clicked "Run Computer Manager on All Teams" and the AI put these players on the active roster at their new field position. I then put the teams in Human Manager mode and changed them back to their pitcher role and deleted the field position role I had created earlier. They could now be placed in the rotation. However, it was necessary to keep the teams involved on Human Manager for the whole season or the AI would send them back into vanished status. Once the 1871 season ended, and the season was advanced, the players involved no longer needed my intervention to stay on the Active roster. That was until near midseason when suddenly one of the teams had 7 of their 22 players vanish. Including several field position players for the first time. Uggh! __________________ "The Human Torch was denied a bank loan."