Should it be a Perfect Game?

Hankyu Braves · 12-29-2016, 09:15 AM

The question is in the title really.
Here's the situation, I had a pitcher throw a no-hitter (recognized as such by the game) with the following performance:
27 batters faced, No hit, No BB, 18 K, not a single player reached base.
And yet it's not a perfect game.

Why you may ask? In the second inning, the catcher made an error dropping a foul ball. 2 pitches later, the batter was out on a flyball.

The way I see it, since there was an error (not the pitcher's fault, no one got on base as a result anyway), the game doesn't recognize it as a perfect game. Is this right?

Quite frankly, although the pitcher's not on my team, I'm tempted to give him the perfect game nonetheless.

I'm sure at least one of the many experts here (said with the utmost respect, I've learned so many things perusing the OOTP forum over the years) will know the reason. But to me, it's pretty unfair.

What do you guys think?

HuachucaThunder · 12-29-2016, 11:14 AM

It does not matter if the error was a dropped FOUL pop up. As long as the batter was retired and no batter reached base during the game, it is considered a perfect game.
As for the reason it was not logged as a perfect game, I would imagine that the way the code is written any error would be seen as an error that allowed a batter to reach base. Just a thought.

Curve Ball Dave · 12-29-2016, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by HuachucaThunder

It does not matter if the error was a dropped FOUL pop up. As long as the batter was retired and no batter reached base during the game, it is considered a perfect game.
As for the reason it was not logged as a perfect game, I would imagine that the way the code is written any error would be seen as an error that allowed a batter to reach base. Just a thought.

I agree. It is a perfect game but limitations of coding don't allow the game to recognize it.

mitchkenn · 12-29-2016, 11:35 AM

According to Wiki:

A perfect game is defined by Major League Baseball as a game in which a pitcher (or combination of pitchers) pitches a victory that lasts a minimum of nine innings and in which no opposing player reaches base. Thus, the pitcher (or pitchers) cannot allow any hits, walks, hit batsmen, or any opposing player to reach base safely for any other reason: in short, "27 up, 27 down".

(i always thought it was no hits no walks no errors .... but that isn't what the rule implies, it's no one on base ... so you're right - it should be a perfect game!)

NoOne · 12-29-2016, 03:15 PM

there's no limitation in code that causes this to occur. the code simply isn't written correctly to handle errors. the info of whether they reach base or not is there to be used. it just needs a minor tweak. definitely post this in the bugs forum, if that wiki page is accuracte (wiki = maybe right).

it's probably defined in the CBA or something. use a real source document for the information, not some community co-op of symposium. That's why we have so many vaccine deniers, lol - group think

Hankyu Braves · 12-29-2016, 06:04 PM

Thank you all for your input.
A Perfect Game it shall be then.

BigRed75 · 12-29-2016, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NoOne

there's no limitation in code that causes this to occur. the code simply isn't written correctly to handle errors. the info of whether they reach base or not is there to be used. it just needs a minor tweak. definitely post this in the bugs forum, if that wiki page is accuracte (wiki = maybe right).

In this case, wiki = definitely right. That is in line with what a perfect game is, as defined by MLB.

SpaceMonkey13 · 12-29-2016, 10:52 PM

Was Jim Joyce umping?

Lukas Berger · 12-29-2016, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NoOne

it's probably defined in the CBA or something. use a real source document for the information, not some community co-op of symposium. That's why we have so many vaccine deniers, lol - group think

It's not in the CBA

It's in the official rules of baseball!

But yes, the wiki is right, and the game just got it wrong in this case.

Hankyu Braves · 12-30-2016, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by lukasberger

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But yes, the wiki is right, and the game just got it wrong in this case.

One thing though. This happened with a game running on OOTP16. It may have been addressed in OOTP17.
But I doubt I'll ever know for sure. If I came across the same situation again, I'd have to buy a lottery ticket

USF · 12-30-2016, 02:21 PM

Great post - thanks for sharing it! and thanks for the responses.

NoOne · 12-30-2016, 04:17 PM

thanks for quoting the part about he vaccine deniers.. those people need to be shamed into not breeding anymore.

12-29-2016, 09:15 AM	#1
Hankyu Braves All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 496	Should it be a Perfect Game? The question is in the title really. Here's the situation, I had a pitcher throw a no-hitter (recognized as such by the game) with the following performance: 27 batters faced, No hit, No BB, 18 K, not a single player reached base. And yet it's not a perfect game. Why you may ask? In the second inning, the catcher made an error dropping a foul ball. 2 pitches later, the batter was out on a flyball. The way I see it, since there was an error (not the pitcher's fault, no one got on base as a result anyway), the game doesn't recognize it as a perfect game. Is this right? Quite frankly, although the pitcher's not on my team, I'm tempted to give him the perfect game nonetheless. I'm sure at least one of the many experts here (said with the utmost respect, I've learned so many things perusing the OOTP forum over the years) will know the reason. But to me, it's pretty unfair. What do you guys think?

12-29-2016, 11:35 AM	#4
mitchkenn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Oregon, not by design Posts: 2,872	According to Wiki: A perfect game is defined by Major League Baseball as a game in which a pitcher (or combination of pitchers) pitches a victory that lasts a minimum of nine innings and in which no opposing player reaches base. Thus, the pitcher (or pitchers) cannot allow any hits, walks, hit batsmen, or any opposing player to reach base safely for any other reason: in short, "27 up, 27 down". (i always thought it was no hits no walks no errors .... but that isn't what the rule implies, it's no one on base ... so you're right - it should be a perfect game!) __________________ "This is my opening farewell " - Jackson Browne “They make a desolation and call it peace.” ― Agha Shahid Ali "Maybe she just has to sing, for the sake of the song - And who do I think that I am to decide that she's wrong." - Townes Van Zandt "I saw a young man leaning on his wooden crutch - He called out to me, 'Don't ask for so much' And a young woman leaning in her darkened door She cried out to me, 'Why not ask for more?' " - Leonard Cohen "Hello darkness, my old Friend ...." - Paul Simon Before Mays, before DiMaggio, there was Oscar Charleston. "All the lies about Babe Ruth are true." - Waite Hoyt Avatar is the late great Townes Van Zandt. rip.

12-30-2016, 02:21 PM	#11
USF All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Maple, ON - Canada Posts: 1,085	Great post - thanks for sharing it! and thanks for the responses. __________________ Commissioner of the ABL http://www.usfleagues.net/website/

12-29-2016, 11:14 AM	#2
HuachucaThunder Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 211	It does not matter if the error was a dropped FOUL pop up. As long as the batter was retired and no batter reached base during the game, it is considered a perfect game. As for the reason it was not logged as a perfect game, I would imagine that the way the code is written any error would be seen as an error that allowed a batter to reach base. Just a thought.

12-29-2016, 03:15 PM	#5
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	there's no limitation in code that causes this to occur. the code simply isn't written correctly to handle errors. the info of whether they reach base or not is there to be used. it just needs a minor tweak. definitely post this in the bugs forum, if that wiki page is accuracte (wiki = maybe right). it's probably defined in the CBA or something. use a real source document for the information, not some community co-op of symposium. That's why we have so many vaccine deniers, lol - group think

12-29-2016, 06:04 PM	#6
Hankyu Braves All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 496	Thank you all for your input. A Perfect Game it shall be then.

12-29-2016, 10:52 PM	#8
SpaceMonkey13 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Space Posts: 73	Was Jim Joyce umping?

12-30-2016, 04:17 PM	#12
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	thanks for quoting the part about he vaccine deniers.. those people need to be shamed into not breeding anymore.