Resign Coaches

KCRoyalsFan · 03-05-2003, 01:35 PM

Is it possible to resign your staff? I have a leg/leg scout that I don't want to see go.

Scott Vibert · 03-05-2003, 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by KCRoyalsFan
Is it possible to resign your staff? I have a leg/leg scout that I don't want to see go.

No its not currently... and one reason for this is essentially that no one in their right mind would let a LEGENDARY/LEGENDARY coach/scout go, allowing the human to horde all the good coaches by continually signing them, without having to bid/compete for their services. (In this respect its a game balance thing)

This is something that has been requested frequently though and remains a possibility in the future.

Dwolfson20 · 03-05-2003, 01:40 PM

You probably won't have any trouble signing the guy again next year, so I wouldn't worry about it.

KCRoyalsFan · 03-05-2003, 01:55 PM

still how hard would it be to give you the option. You think the yankees let their great coaches go? No. Most of the times the Leg coaches either want a challenge or want a lot of money, which would be hard for smaller markets to get them, so usually they go to the big markets anyway. Plus some small market teams have great coaches, just not the best players to work with.

Steve Kuffrey · 03-05-2003, 01:58 PM

I think that this adds to the challenge. So many people say "the game is too easy", "I've won 10 championships, etc"

We have not added this as an option because adding it would make it easier to keep "the best coaches".

I think this is something that we shouldn't add. Just my opinion though.

Dwolfson20 · 03-05-2003, 02:02 PM

I agree with Steve; it's especially evident in online leagues, where the competition for the best coaches is fierce. This year we had one go for around $4.5 million!

ctorg · 03-05-2003, 02:03 PM

It would be good to add it but to have certain coaches outright refuse to re-sign. Maybe they want more of a challenge on a small market team or perhaps they simply don't like the manager. Whatever. I'd like to at least be able to try to re-sign them.

Scott Vibert · 03-05-2003, 02:06 PM

If done I think its critical that the good coaches, those likely to benefit from competition over their services, refuse to resign before the coaches/signing period, with the lessor coaches who may be left out in the cold during the signing period possibly being receptive to resigning early.

spleen1015 · 03-05-2003, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by Steve Kuffrey
I think that this adds to the challenge. So many people say "the game is too easy", "I've won 10 championships, etc"

We have not added this as an option because adding it would make it easier to keep "the best coaches".

I think this is something that we shouldn't add. Just my opinion though.

See, I don't like this statement. What you are saying is instead of making the AI smarter, you're going to handcuff the human player.

evangel · 03-05-2003, 02:23 PM

I think that is exactly what we need to do - handcuff the human player - to some extent. We're not talking about the baseball equivalent of Deep Blue here. With the number of people/man hours available to create the AI for this game, I think we are blessed to have it as good as it is! We've all played other games where outthinking the computer was the intellectual version of playing one-on-one basketball with one of the Lollipop Kids. In almost every case, we're going to be able to outthink the computer - and take advantage of every advantage/loophole available, so when Markus closes one of those loopholes like the ability to re-sign coaches as opposed to having to take your lumps for a year or two with a baseball mental midget, I'm all for it!

I'm all for making the computer AI as strong as it can possibly be, but in the absence of that, break out the handcuffs and limit the ways the human user can exploit its weaknesses.

Steve Kuffrey · 03-05-2003, 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by spleen1015
See, I don't like this statement. What you are saying is instead of making the AI smarter, you're going to handcuff the human player.

I feel that it gets smarter with each version, but it is much easier said than done. All games must have limits and I am not sure that everyone understands that.

Not necessarily about this issue but about the ability to have things "their way" in each and every instance.

Rockpile · 03-05-2003, 02:49 PM

Yeah, I agree. Why can't we resign coaches?

ps2mike · 03-05-2003, 02:54 PM

there doesn't need to be a option to re-sign coaches. it would make it too easy to have all legendary coaches.

KCRoyalsFan · 03-05-2003, 02:55 PM

well I think this game is challenging enough! Heck I had the 2nd highest payroll with boston in 2010 and I still haven't won a championship (5 years with the team)...made the playoffs twice lost in 1st round.

Ok Steve though, seriously...if you aren't going to let us resign the coaches...then can you make the Signing coaches period better? I mean the guy wants 500k for 2 years (legendary,legendary) and I offer him 1.2 mil and he goes somewhere else after the first round (this always happens if you don't offer enough) can't you make it like the FA where he says, sorry got a better offer from Yankees...and then you could counter offer? I'd like that system a lot better.

DWTSDisturbed · 03-05-2003, 03:53 PM

You should still be able to resign your coaches before their contract expires. If you are willing to pay an extravagant amount of money for a great coach then go ahead.

Le Grande Orange · 03-05-2003, 03:54 PM

Steve,

I was wondering why this issue had not been addressed in OOTP5, and you've given very good reasons as to why it wasn't. Thanks for the explanation!

Ktulu · 03-05-2003, 04:06 PM

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there doesn't need to be a option to re-sign coaches. it would make it too easy to have all legendary coaches

This could be addressed by having coaches not resign because they want a shot at managing their own team in the big leagues.

03-05-2003, 01:35 PM	#1
KCRoyalsFan All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 599	Resign Coaches Is it possible to resign your staff? I have a leg/leg scout that I don't want to see go.

03-05-2003, 01:40 PM	#3
Dwolfson20 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Not St. Louis Posts: 2,872	You probably won't have any trouble signing the guy again next year, so I wouldn't worry about it. __________________

03-05-2003, 01:58 PM	#5
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	I think that this adds to the challenge. So many people say "the game is too easy", "I've won 10 championships, etc" We have not added this as an option because adding it would make it easier to keep "the best coaches". I think this is something that we shouldn't add. Just my opinion though. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

03-05-2003, 02:02 PM	#6
Dwolfson20 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Not St. Louis Posts: 2,872	I agree with Steve; it's especially evident in online leagues, where the competition for the best coaches is fierce. This year we had one go for around $4.5 million! __________________

03-05-2003, 02:03 PM	#7
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	It would be good to add it but to have certain coaches outright refuse to re-sign. Maybe they want more of a challenge on a small market team or perhaps they simply don't like the manager. Whatever. I'd like to at least be able to try to re-sign them. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

03-05-2003, 01:55 PM	#4
KCRoyalsFan All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 599	still how hard would it be to give you the option. You think the yankees let their great coaches go? No. Most of the times the Leg coaches either want a challenge or want a lot of money, which would be hard for smaller markets to get them, so usually they go to the big markets anyway. Plus some small market teams have great coaches, just not the best players to work with.

03-05-2003, 02:06 PM	#8
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,254	If done I think its critical that the good coaches, those likely to benefit from competition over their services, refuse to resign before the coaches/signing period, with the lessor coaches who may be left out in the cold during the signing period possibly being receptive to resigning early.

03-05-2003, 02:23 PM	#10
evangel Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 79	I think that is exactly what we need to do - handcuff the human player - to some extent. We're not talking about the baseball equivalent of Deep Blue here. With the number of people/man hours available to create the AI for this game, I think we are blessed to have it as good as it is! We've all played other games where outthinking the computer was the intellectual version of playing one-on-one basketball with one of the Lollipop Kids. In almost every case, we're going to be able to outthink the computer - and take advantage of every advantage/loophole available, so when Markus closes one of those loopholes like the ability to re-sign coaches as opposed to having to take your lumps for a year or two with a baseball mental midget, I'm all for it! I'm all for making the computer AI as strong as it can possibly be, but in the absence of that, break out the handcuffs and limit the ways the human user can exploit its weaknesses.

03-05-2003, 02:49 PM	#12
Rockpile All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 620	Yeah, I agree. Why can't we resign coaches?

03-05-2003, 02:54 PM	#13
ps2mike Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 92	there doesn't need to be a option to re-sign coaches. it would make it too easy to have all legendary coaches.

03-05-2003, 02:55 PM	#14
KCRoyalsFan All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 599	well I think this game is challenging enough! Heck I had the 2nd highest payroll with boston in 2010 and I still haven't won a championship (5 years with the team)...made the playoffs twice lost in 1st round. Ok Steve though, seriously...if you aren't going to let us resign the coaches...then can you make the Signing coaches period better? I mean the guy wants 500k for 2 years (legendary,legendary) and I offer him 1.2 mil and he goes somewhere else after the first round (this always happens if you don't offer enough) can't you make it like the FA where he says, sorry got a better offer from Yankees...and then you could counter offer? I'd like that system a lot better.

03-05-2003, 03:53 PM	#15
DWTSDisturbed Minors (Single A) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Down With the Sickness in the Philly Burbs Posts: 67	You should still be able to resign your coaches before their contract expires. If you are willing to pay an extravagant amount of money for a great coach then go ahead. __________________

03-05-2003, 03:54 PM	#16
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,642	Steve, I was wondering why this issue had not been addressed in OOTP5, and you've given very good reasons as to why it wasn't. Thanks for the explanation!