What is a good pitch count for starting pitchers with 50-55 stamina?

[winningwithstyle]

I wanted to put my starters that have lower stamina on pitch counts to save them during the season. My team has relievers with 70 stamina, so they can take over if the game goes deep. What would the ootp world recommend for pitch counts?

[JMDurron]

Honestly, I've seen SPs with stamina as low as in the 30s-40s on a 100-point scale be able to go to 90-100 pitches on occasion. I'm not entirely convinced that you need to set an especially low pitch count on them, even in the modern MLB SP fatigue environment.

[RchW]

Keep in mind that 70 stamina in a RP is different than 55 stamina in a SP.

[winningwithstyle]

Originally Posted by RchW

Keep in mind that 70 stamina in a RP is different than 55 stamina in a SP.

True, But not when You have John Danks and Mat Latos in your bullpen. Gives me the opportunity to limit pitch counts.

[NoOne]

The key to picking a pitch count for any stamina is what you expect in the coming days as well as max # before they tire.

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1 *** if you want to lessen stress on bullpen:

play a game out and figure out the exact number they get tired at... i'd suggest using ~5 less or so... watch results and adjust.

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2 *** if you want them to be able to be 100% in 4days or 5days:

start paying attention to how they receover after thrown X number of pitches. you will find a clear point at with they will not be 100% by their next start in the rotation. maybe you are fine with it as low as 92%? upto you....

use that mined demarcation point of pitches thrown to set the pitch count 7-10 less. you need a larger gap here compare to above. a pitcher will go as much as 10-15 above the pitch count you choose... also, if they have a no-hitter i think they tend to pitch a bit longer etc...

if they are throwing a no-hitter, they may not be recovered as you plan/expect with the pitch count, otherwise it works perfectly once you set it correctly.

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3 *** if you want to use your pen the most:

pick a low count that will assure they never get tired... similar to the first proposition above, but apply the larger gap from the second choice.

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basically, you can use it manipulate bullpen usage (less or more), assure a pitcher is X% or higher fatigue for their next start, assure an SP can go 1 day early, and i'm sure there are other thigns you can extrapolate from these 3.


biggest difference between low stamina (50's and 60's of 100) and a higher stamina pitcher is how fast they recover. i think i recall max pitch count does differ but as you go down in stamina it reduces max ptch cnt less (think negligible returns concept relative to how much less they can throw compared to 1 stamina higher). so, recovery time is a much larger difference between a high stam and low stam pitcher.


60's i'll do 106-109 pitch count if i need them to start in their regular # of days and they are a top-3 rotation guy.
stamina below that: ? probably similar... again the max number they can throw befire tiring doesn't drop as much per tick of stamina as the stamina value goes lower.

i avoid those guys or they are 4/5 in rotation and get skipped alot, which mitigates almost all problems of a low stamina starter for the way i run my team... i'll let them throw till the cows come home (method one above). 106-112 is probably around the time they get tired. i have cy young-quality arms with 50/60 stamina... they just couldn't consistently start a day early easily. somethign i like to do with my top 2 pitchers... they go when rested no matter what. of course i kept him as long as he was excellent, but he was a #3 with just a normal # of GS each year. no drawback from that in playoffs or reg season due to stamina issues... 100% mitigated.