The unlikely career of Richard Krehbiel

Erithtotl · 03-04-2003, 10:25 PM

Here's an interesting one. This guy has been pitching on my fictional league team for 8 years. He's been consistently rated a 1 star player the entire time (confirmed by the fact he accepts such a low salary). And yet, during that time he's gone 78-33 with a 3.08 ERA in a hitter-neutral park!

He's consistently outperformed superior players. I don't know why, but its pretty cool nonetheless.

PoisonMaddux · 03-04-2003, 10:28 PM

curious..

how long have you been simming that?
is that ootp5?

bigphesta · 03-04-2003, 10:36 PM

I'm just glad to see someone else out there doesn't think that a Las Vegas team needs to be named the "Gamblers" (Aces is the name I chose for Vegas in the NAHHBL

ghulten · 03-04-2003, 10:43 PM

Can you say Kirk Reuter? ;-)

It's really cool to see something like this in the game.

mottyl · 03-05-2003, 11:16 AM

It's great to see these guys show up, but at some point shouldn't he be asking for more money based on his results?

Bobbuttons · 03-05-2003, 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by bigphesta
I'm just glad to see someone else out there doesn't think that a Las Vegas team needs to be named the "Gamblers" (Aces is the name I chose for Vegas in the NAHHBL

I like the name Las Vegas Rollers. Also the old XFL Vegas franchise, the Las Vegas Outlaws.

Bee · 03-05-2003, 11:30 AM

Doesn't that seem a little unrealistic? Someone putting up those numbers over that long of a period should be making considerably more than that. Also, shouldn't the scout re-evaluate his rating to be more reflective of the player's performance?

What is your scout rated at for pitchers? Looking at his pitching talent, he looks better than a 1 star player.

Erithtotl · 03-05-2003, 12:02 PM

My scount is 'LEGENDARY' for pitchers, and other scouts I've had give the same ratings. I turned 'ratings' on, he has a 3 for avoiding hits and a 3 for avoiding runs. I'm guessing somehow his ability to avoid homers and walks has made his ERA better than you would expect. But yes, he should obviously be asking for more salary.

One thing this clearly indicates is that salary is dependent on ratings, not performance in OOTP5.

wspahn21 · 03-05-2003, 12:08 PM

He has an E for duration as starter. How many complete games did he have? 6!!!!

That has to be the reason he is a one star in the mind of the scout and has such a low salary, you have to have an allstar bullpen when you start this guy.
Would be interested on how many of those games were won late in the game after the relief had come in.

Erithtotl · 03-05-2003, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by BigMitch
He has an E for duration as starter. How many complete games did he have? 6!!!!

That has to be the reason he is a one star in the mind of the scout and has such a low salary, you have to have an allstar bullpen when you start this guy.
Would be interested on how many of those games were won late in the game after the relief had come in.

Still, who wouldn't want 170 innings a year of 3 ERA ball for under a $1 million?

JAttractive · 03-05-2003, 12:27 PM

The problem with salary situations like this is that with the ability to change league totals to match different era's it is difficult for the game to base it on statistics. This player could be a star one era and a bum the next depending on how the league totals affect him.

Bee · 03-05-2003, 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by JAttractive
The problem with salary situations like this is that with the ability to change league totals to match different era's it is difficult for the game to base it on statistics. This player could be a star one era and a bum the next depending on how the league totals affect him.

I would think it would be relatively easy to base it in some part on "relative" statistics. The actual statistical data wouldn't matter.

ctorg · 03-05-2003, 12:35 PM

I would like to see OOTP base players' salaries a little more on performance, too. I mean, if a guy keeps putting up numbers like that, no matter what kind of talent he has, he should be raking in the dough. Conversely, if a guy goes 3-40 with a 6 ERA over 3 seasons and comes up for free agency, he should not end up with a $10M a year deal. In real life, he'd probably be signed to a minor league deal, if at all, regardless of talent.

Erithtotl · 03-05-2003, 12:38 PM

The game should factor in the average performance during that time period (via the league setup numbers) and also park data and age in determining salary requests. Note, this guy is hardly a bum, he actually led the league in ERA one year. The next season I simmed after this his ERA was a bit high for him (but still under 4.00) and he won 15 games.

ctorg · 03-05-2003, 12:47 PM

Are you using normal league totals settings in your league? I ask because I know that when you use power hitters in a league and you significantly increase the HR totals (thereby significantly decreasing the frequency of homers hit), they also see an average drop greater than singles hitters do. So I'm wondering if this guy has a great H/IP ratio because he's so good at avoiding homers, at least in part.

NYJuggalo45 · 03-05-2003, 01:01 PM

very solid #3-4 guy imo, but agreed should be making more, hell in this day and age of sports salaries, he would be a 5 mil guy easy

DWTSDisturbed · 03-05-2003, 01:05 PM

he needs a better agent. Speaking of agents, I think having them in the game would be great. Imagine having to deal with a Scott Boras type. It may affect your negotiations considerably

rogmax11 · 03-05-2003, 01:12 PM

Interesting, if not downright eerie sidenote: I know a Richard Krehbiel in real life. He's a DEA agent and I would suppose he plays, uh, hardball.

Erithtotl · 03-05-2003, 01:34 PM

I'm using the default settings. I think the guy is just a fluke...

Erithtotl · 03-05-2003, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by DWTSDisturbed
he needs a better agent. Speaking of agents, I think having them in the game would be great. Imagine having to deal with a Scott Boras type. It may affect your negotiations considerably

The latest front office football does this. It has some influence on the player if you have other guys from the same agent on your team, and also if you piss off another player represented by that agent.

03-04-2003, 10:25 PM	#1
Erithtotl Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 330	The unlikely career of Richard Krehbiel Here's an interesting one. This guy has been pitching on my fictional league team for 8 years. He's been consistently rated a 1 star player the entire time (confirmed by the fact he accepts such a low salary). And yet, during that time he's gone 78-33 with a 3.08 ERA in a hitter-neutral park! He's consistently outperformed superior players. I don't know why, but its pretty cool nonetheless. Attached Images

03-04-2003, 10:28 PM	#2
PoisonMaddux Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Marietta, GA Posts: 156	curious.. how long have you been simming that? is that ootp5? __________________ Atlanta Braves in 2003!

03-05-2003, 12:35 PM	#13
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I would like to see OOTP base players' salaries a little more on performance, too. I mean, if a guy keeps putting up numbers like that, no matter what kind of talent he has, he should be raking in the dough. Conversely, if a guy goes 3-40 with a 6 ERA over 3 seasons and comes up for free agency, he should not end up with a $10M a year deal. In real life, he'd probably be signed to a minor league deal, if at all, regardless of talent. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

03-05-2003, 12:47 PM	#15
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	Are you using normal league totals settings in your league? I ask because I know that when you use power hitters in a league and you significantly increase the HR totals (thereby significantly decreasing the frequency of homers hit), they also see an average drop greater than singles hitters do. So I'm wondering if this guy has a great H/IP ratio because he's so good at avoiding homers, at least in part. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

03-05-2003, 01:01 PM	#16
NYJuggalo45 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,045	very solid #3-4 guy imo, but agreed should be making more, hell in this day and age of sports salaries, he would be a 5 mil guy easy __________________ This space for rent

03-04-2003, 10:36 PM	#3
bigphesta Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 1,366	I'm just glad to see someone else out there doesn't think that a Las Vegas team needs to be named the "Gamblers" (Aces is the name I chose for Vegas in the NAHHBL

03-04-2003, 10:43 PM	#4
ghulten Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 135	Can you say Kirk Reuter? ;-) It's really cool to see something like this in the game.

03-05-2003, 11:16 AM	#5
mottyl Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 24	It's great to see these guys show up, but at some point shouldn't he be asking for more money based on his results?

03-05-2003, 11:30 AM	#7
Bee Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 147	Doesn't that seem a little unrealistic? Someone putting up those numbers over that long of a period should be making considerably more than that. Also, shouldn't the scout re-evaluate his rating to be more reflective of the player's performance? What is your scout rated at for pitchers? Looking at his pitching talent, he looks better than a 1 star player.

03-05-2003, 12:02 PM	#8
Erithtotl Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 330	My scount is 'LEGENDARY' for pitchers, and other scouts I've had give the same ratings. I turned 'ratings' on, he has a 3 for avoiding hits and a 3 for avoiding runs. I'm guessing somehow his ability to avoid homers and walks has made his ERA better than you would expect. But yes, he should obviously be asking for more salary. One thing this clearly indicates is that salary is dependent on ratings, not performance in OOTP5.

03-05-2003, 12:08 PM	#9
wspahn21 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 426	He has an E for duration as starter. How many complete games did he have? 6!!!! That has to be the reason he is a one star in the mind of the scout and has such a low salary, you have to have an allstar bullpen when you start this guy. Would be interested on how many of those games were won late in the game after the relief had come in.

03-05-2003, 12:27 PM	#11
JAttractive All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Catharines, Ontario Posts: 1,135	The problem with salary situations like this is that with the ability to change league totals to match different era's it is difficult for the game to base it on statistics. This player could be a star one era and a bum the next depending on how the league totals affect him.

03-05-2003, 12:38 PM	#14
Erithtotl Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 330	The game should factor in the average performance during that time period (via the league setup numbers) and also park data and age in determining salary requests. Note, this guy is hardly a bum, he actually led the league in ERA one year. The next season I simmed after this his ERA was a bit high for him (but still under 4.00) and he won 15 games.

03-05-2003, 01:05 PM	#17
DWTSDisturbed Minors (Single A) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Down With the Sickness in the Philly Burbs Posts: 67	he needs a better agent. Speaking of agents, I think having them in the game would be great. Imagine having to deal with a Scott Boras type. It may affect your negotiations considerably __________________

03-05-2003, 01:12 PM	#18
rogmax11 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,320	Interesting, if not downright eerie sidenote: I know a Richard Krehbiel in real life. He's a DEA agent and I would suppose he plays, uh, hardball.

03-05-2003, 01:34 PM	#19
Erithtotl Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 330	I'm using the default settings. I think the guy is just a fluke...